[BLEEP] are you talking about? Almost everything on the democratic platform is designed to eradicate some injustice. The right has its fair share of utopian ideas, too, like the war on terror. Anything that doesn't allow breathing room for the natural predation that falls in this broken world is an attempt to achieve utopia, and you don't undo solid, successful practices to eliminate anomalies. It will result in tyranny.

I would gladly tell you why you're wrong in person but I can't address this one without crossing the line to religion.

The basic point is we define utopianism differently.  Today in America there are no Trotskys or Robespierres among us.  Our hopes of improving society are moderate and in check.  Our problem today is animosity towards each other.

This is because you don't actually stay up to date with philosophy. You don't know what you're talking about. These ideals are being implemented in almost every workplace through DEI training and ESG scores. That doesn't fall out of the sky. It's not an organic movement. You say it isn't governments responsibility to monitor that, but the same people who have bought our politicians to roll out these policies are simultaneously funding a media complex that regurgitates the proper talking points. This is all in the name of utopia. Not for us, mind you (even though that's what they claim), but for the stakeholders. 

The Great Reset is a book by Klaus Schwab. You think it's a conspiracy, because you aren't actually well informed (like you believe yourself to be). He runs the WEF. He was a student of Kissinger, who believed strongly in the idea of a new world order. These are based on utopian ideals, and what do we have to show for it? Rising prices, less freedom of mobility in the form of higher rent and housing costs, and a war-torn turbulent world. 

How do they do this? Glad you asked... just kidding, you're too stone headed to ask the right questions and your cognitive bias keeps you from actually integrating new information into your world view, but I'll tell you anyways. The WEF is pushing DEI and ESG on governments worldwide:

The Effects of Mandatory ESG Disclosure around the World (harvard.edu)

[/url][url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmcgowan/2023/10/13/sec-could-be-moving-towards-regulation-of-dei-in-the-financial-industry/?sh=539edfca5b5a]SEC Could Be Moving Towards Regulation Of DEI In The Financial Industry (forbes.com)

The diversity backlash is underway. Here’s how to resist it | World Economic Forum (weforum.org) (and they say there's no they)

They control MSM by making GARM, which punishes any mainstream outlet that speaks on off topic subjects. They control 90% of the ad revenue dollars, meaning that media companies are competing for their dollars. There's no such thing as independent, mainstream journalism or they would go bankrupt. 

They groom and support politicians who push their agendas. Do you have any idea how many politicians have attended WEF training? These people go to this training specifically to gain WEF support and connections, and come out often preaching the same message as the organization wants to present. These people get extra airtime, huge donations, and are expedited up the political ladder in every country the WEF has influence. Does this mean they are all puppets? Not necessarily. It does increase the likelihood they share the same narrative, though. That's how they get to the top. 

Meet the young leaders set to shape 2020 | World Economic Forum (weforum.org)

I could literally spend hours on this, but it's a waste of time. The average moderate on this board (which, imo, is reflective of the US as a whole), is too comfortable and naive to address these issues and see what they are going to do for Americans. Hint: it's nothing. These policies are killing everything that made us successful. They are going to funnel our money up to people who will never have to change their lifestyle, while we become consumers if we're lucking and producers if we're not. American independence will be brought to its knees. Central digital currency is next. 

Unelected elites, promising the world a new future, while they take their resources, stay fat and happy, and destroy our way of life. Great job, Stone Head.

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I would gladly tell you why you're wrong in person but I can't address this one without crossing the line to religion.

The basic point is we define utopianism differently.  Today in America there are no Trotskys or Robespierres among us.  Our hopes of improving society are moderate and in check.  Our problem today is animosity towards each other.

This is because you don't actually stay up to date with philosophy. You don't know what you're talking about. These ideals are being implemented in almost every workplace through DEI training and ESG scores. That doesn't fall out of the sky. It's not an organic movement. You say it isn't governments responsibility to monitor that, but the same people who have bought our politicians to roll out these policies are simultaneously funding a media complex that regurgitates the proper talking points. This is all in the name of utopia. Not for us, mind you (even though that's what they claim), but for the stakeholders. 

The Great Reset is a book by Klaus Schwab. You think it's a conspiracy, because you aren't actually well informed (like you believe yourself to be). He runs the WEF. He was a student of Kissinger, who believed strongly in the idea of a new world order. These are based on utopian ideals, and what do we have to show for it? Rising prices, less freedom of mobility in the form of higher rent and housing costs, and a war-torn turbulent world. 

How do they do this? Glad you asked... just kidding, you're too stone headed to ask the right questions and your cognitive bias keeps you from actually integrating new information into your world view, but I'll tell you anyways. The WEF is pushing DEI and ESG on governments worldwide:

The Effects of Mandatory ESG Disclosure around the World (harvard.edu)

[/url][url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmcgowan/2023/10/13/sec-could-be-moving-towards-regulation-of-dei-in-the-financial-industry/?sh=539edfca5b5a]SEC Could Be Moving Towards Regulation Of DEI In The Financial Industry (forbes.com)

The diversity backlash is underway. Here’s how to resist it | World Economic Forum (weforum.org) (and they say there's no they)

They control MSM by making GARM, which punishes any mainstream outlet that speaks on off topic subjects. They control 90% of the ad revenue dollars, meaning that media companies are competing for their dollars. There's no such thing as independent, mainstream journalism or they would go bankrupt. 

They groom and support politicians who push their agendas. Do you have any idea how many politicians have attended WEF training? These people go to this training specifically to gain WEF support and connections, and come out often preaching the same message as the organization wants to present. These people get extra airtime, huge donations, and are expedited up the political ladder in every country the WEF has influence. Does this mean they are all puppets? Not necessarily. It does increase the likelihood they share the same narrative, though. That's how they get to the top. 

Meet the young leaders set to shape 2020 | World Economic Forum (weforum.org)

I could literally spend hours on this, but it's a waste of time. The average moderate on this board (which, imo, is reflective of the US as a whole), is too comfortable and naive to address these issues and see what they are going to do for Americans. Hint: it's nothing. These policies are killing everything that made us successful. They are going to funnel our money up to people who will never have to change their lifestyle, while we become consumers if we're lucking and producers if we're not. American independence will be brought to its knees. Central digital currency is next. 

Unelected elites, promising the world a new future, while they take their resources, stay fat and happy, and destroy our way of life. Great job, Stone Head.

DEI? Oh no! Not diversity! Not inclusion! 
ESG? Sustainable? Please no! Make the future anything but sustainable and inclusive!
You are ascribing God like powers to these people.  Just like you don't know the future, neither do they.
If these policies fail to deliver prosperity for the common man, the common man won't vote for them.  If they fail to deliver value to shareholders, the shareholders will divest and seek value elsewhere.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

True to form, when faced with a tough question that you either can't answer, or are afraid to answer, you toss out an insult and run away.  

Here's reality, the Left is SOFT on crime, and you unfailingly regurgitate the rhetoric being spoon-feed to you in defense thereof.  If you don't support "soft on crime DA's", break the mold (or grow a pair), and say so.  I've twice asked you about the possibility of a mob-robbery erupting in a store where your wife and kids could be, and you won't even state how you would feel about it???

Of course the unemployment rate is sky-high with ex-cons.  There are very valid reasons why this is true now and can be expected to remain so into the future.  Personally, I would be happy to pay more taxes to fund the construction of as many additional prisons as we need to keep the streets safe, would you?  

If there is no threat of penalty, there is no deterrent.

I think people who steal stuff or try to steal stuff should go to jail.  I've never said any different.  If I was in a city where I didn't feel like the cops were doing enough to stop theft and catch thieves, I would move. It's why I live in a city now, not an unincorporated area.  In my personal experience, Orange County Sheriff doesn't care about robbery, but the various cities in Orange County do.

I don't know what kind of mold you think I'm in that I need to break.  Where do you come up with this stuff?

I'm happy to pay more taxes to put more cops out there to catch the bad guys and more prosecutors and public defenders and judges to process them, but I think sentences are long enough already.  I would pay more taxes on efforts to get ex cons back into the workforce (where they will pay tax dollars) than I would to keep them in jail longer (where they will consume tax dollars).

Your last paragraph is interesting.  There is a percentage of our population that will never be productive members of society.  Whether it be mental illness or just plain horrible human beings.  What do we do with them?  I personally believe in 3 strikes and you go to a work farm never to return to society again.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

The mountain is just symbolic of utopia that can't deliver what's promised. The problem with my story is Stone Head, who is too stupid to realize he's not asking the right questions, so he enables a group that is bringing destruction to his people.

Sure, utopian vision rhetoric never delivers and usually makes things worse.
We don't have any elected officials preaching any utopian vision right now.  We haven't for decades.  You're shadowboxing.

Mike that is what the democrats have peddling for years.

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

This is because you don't actually stay up to date with philosophy. You don't know what you're talking about. These ideals are being implemented in almost every workplace through DEI training and ESG scores. That doesn't fall out of the sky. It's not an organic movement. You say it isn't governments responsibility to monitor that, but the same people who have bought our politicians to roll out these policies are simultaneously funding a media complex that regurgitates the proper talking points. This is all in the name of utopia. Not for us, mind you (even though that's what they claim), but for the stakeholders. 

The Great Reset is a book by Klaus Schwab. You think it's a conspiracy, because you aren't actually well informed (like you believe yourself to be). He runs the WEF. He was a student of Kissinger, who believed strongly in the idea of a new world order. These are based on utopian ideals, and what do we have to show for it? Rising prices, less freedom of mobility in the form of higher rent and housing costs, and a war-torn turbulent world. 

How do they do this? Glad you asked... just kidding, you're too stone headed to ask the right questions and your cognitive bias keeps you from actually integrating new information into your world view, but I'll tell you anyways. The WEF is pushing DEI and ESG on governments worldwide:

The Effects of Mandatory ESG Disclosure around the World (harvard.edu)

[/url][url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmcgowan/2023/10/13/sec-could-be-moving-towards-regulation-of-dei-in-the-financial-industry/?sh=539edfca5b5a]SEC Could Be Moving Towards Regulation Of DEI In The Financial Industry (forbes.com)

The diversity backlash is underway. Here’s how to resist it | World Economic Forum (weforum.org) (and they say there's no they)

They control MSM by making GARM, which punishes any mainstream outlet that speaks on off topic subjects. They control 90% of the ad revenue dollars, meaning that media companies are competing for their dollars. There's no such thing as independent, mainstream journalism or they would go bankrupt. 

They groom and support politicians who push their agendas. Do you have any idea how many politicians have attended WEF training? These people go to this training specifically to gain WEF support and connections, and come out often preaching the same message as the organization wants to present. These people get extra airtime, huge donations, and are expedited up the political ladder in every country the WEF has influence. Does this mean they are all puppets? Not necessarily. It does increase the likelihood they share the same narrative, though. That's how they get to the top. 

Meet the young leaders set to shape 2020 | World Economic Forum (weforum.org)

I could literally spend hours on this, but it's a waste of time. The average moderate on this board (which, imo, is reflective of the US as a whole), is too comfortable and naive to address these issues and see what they are going to do for Americans. Hint: it's nothing. These policies are killing everything that made us successful. They are going to funnel our money up to people who will never have to change their lifestyle, while we become consumers if we're lucking and producers if we're not. American independence will be brought to its knees. Central digital currency is next. 

Unelected elites, promising the world a new future, while they take their resources, stay fat and happy, and destroy our way of life. Great job, Stone Head.

DEI? Oh no! Not diversity! Not inclusion! 
ESG? Sustainable? Please no! Make the future anything but sustainable and inclusive!
You are ascribing God like powers to these people.  Just like you don't know the future, neither do they.
If these policies fail to deliver prosperity for the common man, the common man won't vote for them.  If they fail to deliver value to shareholders, the shareholders will divest and seek value elsewhere.

Do you try to be this dense? We were literally just having a conversation about utopianism at the root of many of the American ills. You said there is none. I showed there is. Can you not see that democrats fall lock step in line with this ideology? I do not ascribe godlike powers to these people. I ascribe the powers that powerful men have always held except for when the masses prevent them from holding it. Oh, btw, no one is voting for corporate policies, but these people are the ones funding our politicians. So your plan is for us just not to vote for them? Third party, eh? Lol. What a joke of a thinker you can be sometimes, bro.

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DEI? Oh no! Not diversity! Not inclusion! 
ESG? Sustainable? Please no! Make the future anything but sustainable and inclusive!
You are ascribing God like powers to these people.  Just like you don't know the future, neither do they.
If these policies fail to deliver prosperity for the common man, the common man won't vote for them.  If they fail to deliver value to shareholders, the shareholders will divest and seek value elsewhere.

Do you try to be this dense? We were literally just having a conversation about utopianism at the root of many of the American ills. You said there is none. I showed there is. Can you not see that democrats fall lock step in line with this ideology? I do not ascribe godlike powers to these people. I ascribe the powers that powerful men have always held except for when the masses prevent them from holding it. Oh, btw, no one is voting for corporate policies, but these people are the ones funding our politicians. So your plan is for us just not to vote for them? Third party, eh? Lol. What a joke of a thinker you can be sometimes, bro.

DEI and ESG are not utopian ideas.  They are both ideas of incremental improvement.
Corporations are subject to competition from other corporations.
Third party votes are almost meaningless in our current voting system, which is why I spend so much energy trying to convince people to change it.  Remember that? How much I advocate for ranked choice voting, approval voting, and top two primaries?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Yes. They are. You haven't read progressive ideology, and that is very clear. You are an unwitting ideologue, Stone Head.

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I think people who steal stuff or try to steal stuff should go to jail.  I've never said any different.  If I was in a city where I didn't feel like the cops were doing enough to stop theft and catch thieves, I would move. It's why I live in a city now, not an unincorporated area.  In my personal experience, Orange County Sheriff doesn't care about robbery, but the various cities in Orange County do.

I don't know what kind of mold you think I'm in that I need to break.  Where do you come up with this stuff?

I'm happy to pay more taxes to put more cops out there to catch the bad guys and more prosecutors and public defenders and judges to process them, but I think sentences are long enough already.  I would pay more taxes on efforts to get ex cons back into the workforce (where they will pay tax dollars) than I would to keep them in jail longer (where they will consume tax dollars).

Your last paragraph is interesting.  There is a percentage of our population that will never be productive members of society.  Whether it be mental illness or just plain horrible human beings.  What do we do with them?  I personally believe in 3 strikes and you go to a work farm never to return to society again.

Sure.  One of the many reasons you can't reach utopia.  If you make life too nice for these unproductive people, you can disincentivize the productive ones.  I agree with 3 strike rules in general.

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Yes. They are. You haven't read progressive ideology, and that is very clear. You are an unwitting ideologue, Stone Head.

If ESG doesn't work then another corporation that doesn't implement it as much or at all will overtake the corporations that did.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

You're naive. You clearly didn't read any of the links I provided before. You should stop posting about this.

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You're naive. You clearly didn't read any of the links I provided before. You should stop posting about this.

Yes I did.  The links talk about how the SEC is going to standardize the accounting practices for ESG and DEI so that two different companies can be compared apples to apples on these scales.
It is still up to the individual investor if they want to invest by this metric or not.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Why are they standardizing the practice, Mikey? Who is lobbying for that? I think I continually make the mistake of believing you can think for yourself.

ESG is a pass to the big boy club. Play ball or go home. 308 companies in the fortune 500 use ESG. They get a seat at the table by following the rules set forth by the WEF, which gives them pretty much makes them unrivaled. They no longer have to compete the way they used to. Of course, it benefits the company. Does that mean it benefits us? Look at the results. Inflation, transfer of wealth, rising prices of homes, healthcare, etc. They aren't doing what they are claiming. They are transferring our wealth in the name of idealism, and you support politicians that are bought and paid. Stop being so naive. You can't see they are creating a corporate government? It's obvious.

Our resources are diminishing, and Stone Head stands up to say, let's press forward, brothers... to the desolate wasteland!

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