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The Pro Day: what purpose does it really serve?

#41
(This post was last modified: 03-19-2014, 07:09 PM by Tommy.)

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Once again, no substance to your argument. All I ever hear is, "LOL TEDDY FANBOY, WOW YOU MUST BE UNEDUCATED".

 

Facts are facts. A smart GM is not going to let an average Pro Day erase 3 years of excellent tape. 


Quote:I think Bridgewater at 3 is better value than Mack at 3, yes.

 

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Quote:Oh, ok.  :teehee:

 

What do you mean? Pro Days are insignificant. FACT. A Pro Day is not washing away 3+ years of excellent tape. When do I compare him to Jesus? I'm a fan, yes. But I've also said I like Bortles almost just as much as Teddy, and wouldn't be disapointed if they chose Bortles over Teddy. The only argument you have is, "LOL, LOOK AT THESE TEDDY FANBOYS". And to top it off, you spout some stupid ignorance. 

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Didn't you have AJ McCarron in your signature?  :whistling:
Yeah, AJ didn't float his deep passes. And I'm overrating him into the top 5 right? Don't think so
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#43

Quote:Yeah, AJ didn't float his deep passes. And I'm overrating him into the top 5 right? Don't think so
What does AJ not floating his deep passes have to do with you having him in your signature? You inferred something about me having a man in my signature, but you also had a man in your signature. Just leave, LOL.

Quote:I think Bridgewater at 3 is better value than Mack at 3, yes.

 

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#44

Pro days just give the QB the opportunity to throw to receivers they are familiar with. It helps the QB show off things like timing routes and deep balls where he needs to be in sync with the receiver or know how much speed he has. It allows for a crisper demonstration.

 

The advantages of familiarity with the receiver is actually heightened once they go pro due to much more extensive practice time and the potential of much longer careers together, so throwing at a pro day may actually be a much more realistic view of a QBs ability than the combine.


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#45

Its just a chance to do more interviewing.

 

What any player does in a 20 minute underwear practice is almost entirely irrelevant.


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#46

Elite franchise prospects don't fumble pro days.  That's something you can take from them.


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#47

I still think the tape is the most important (by far), but the real concerning issue with Bridgewater for me is that he hasn't been able to show one elite trait to anybody.

 

If you're the owner, who is going to spend millions... you will say "SHOW ME" what this high draft pick can do.

 

He hasn't shown anything, unfortunately.  I'm glad I'm not making these decisions because frankly I don't know who is worth the #3 pick at the QB position.  

 

I feel pretty comfortable saying Watkins and Clowney are potential elite perennial pro bowlers.  


I'm pretty comfortable saying Mack will be good to very good, maybe not elite, but not many teams will call you dumb for drafting him, no matter how high.

 

But that's about all I got.


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In my opinion, a good QB should shine at his pro day no matter what. They're throwing to their own receivers. 


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#49

Quote:Elite franchise prospects don't fumble pro days.  That's something you can take from them.
Jamarcus Russel had the best Pro Day ever. That's something you can take from them.  :woot:

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Quote:I still think the tape is the most important (by far), but the real concerning issue with Bridgewater for me is that he hasn't been able to show one elite trait to anybody.

 

If you're the owner, who is going to spend millions... you will say "SHOW ME" what this high draft pick can do.

 

He hasn't shown anything, unfortunately.  I'm glad I'm not making these decisions because frankly I don't know who is worth the #3 pick at the QB position.  

 

I feel pretty comfortable saying Watkins and Clowney are potential elite perennial pro bowlers.  

I'm pretty comfortable saying Mack will be good to very good, maybe not elite, but not many teams will call you dumb for drafting him, no matter how high.

 

But that's about all I got.
I disagree. I think he has 3 elite traits, and one poor one that can be coached up. Other than that he's average. I think he has Elite Pocket Presence, Elite short-intermediate accuracy, and Elite pre-play adjustments. His poor trait is his deep ball touch, but that can be coached. Honestly, I think the highest he goes is 4. I don't believe we will pick him anymore, however. 

 

You have to go with either Mack, Clowney or Watkins. Have to. 


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#51

Quote: I don't believe we will pick him anymore, however. 

 
And why is that?

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#52

Quote:And why is that?
Simply because Watkins, Robinson, Mack, Clowney, are too good to pass up on. 

Quote:I think Bridgewater at 3 is better value than Mack at 3, yes.

 

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Quote:Jamarcus Russel had the best Pro Day ever. That's something you can take from them.  :woot:
Yeah, even Russel can complete all his passes in a scripted work out on his own field, yet teddy cant...

 

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#54

Quote:Yeah, even Russel can complete all his passes in a scripted work out on his own field, yet teddy cant...
My point is Pro Days mean nothing. 

 

You're a pretty terrible troll.

Quote:I think Bridgewater at 3 is better value than Mack at 3, yes.

 

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Quote:My point is Pro Days mean nothing. 

 

You're a pretty terrible troll.
 

Quote:My point is Pro Days mean nothing. 

 

You're a pretty terrible troll.
Good prodays mean nothing, bad ones mean alot.

 

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#56

Drew Brees had a shaky proday...

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#57

Quote:Drew Brees had a shaky proday...
Wow, better erase all college tape and label him a bust. 

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#58
(This post was last modified: 03-20-2014, 12:39 AM by Tommy.)

Quote:Good prodays mean nothing, bad ones mean alot.
No, they don't. A bad QB can have a good Pro Day. A good QB can have a bad Pro Day. They mean NOTHING. 

 

How come when someone shines in Minicamp and Training Camp in shorts it means nothing, but if it's a Pro Day it's automatically a good way to judge a QB? It's a glorified practice session. Get outta here. 


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Quote:Drew Brees had a shaky proday...
And he dropped like a rock in the drat and took 4-5 years to develop.

 

The biggest thing Teddy had going for him was that he was considered the most pro ready. His pro day performance puts that into doubt.

 

Maybe people will see him as Brees and he will get picked up by a team that doesn't mind using a 2nd round pick on a guy  that may take 4-5 years to fully develop.

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#60

i think pro days are useful for the low round players who gms may not have as much film on

though it's the big names that get the focus in the media, the people the big qbs are throwing too are probably just as important to the gms

right now i reckon every gm has his draft board and his teams draft board sorted at the top end, probably first 4 rounds are pretty set in stone and the pro day won't really change that.

but at the low end 6 or 7 and udfas where you are looking for developmental players to try and get a diamond in the rough i think the pro days are key

 

you aren't really looking for polish at that point you are looking for traits that jump out at you that you can mold into a polished players and watching a player right in front of you his speed or strength might make him jump out in your memory

 

at the top end it also allows you a second study of a player in a different environment and for you to really break down his technique. Though i don't think a bad pro day will plummet a player if two players are evenly matched on your draft board a good pro day could elevate one above the other or vice versa.

 

Also watching a guy throw right in front of you and comparing it to game film will give you a better idea of the little traits and niggles that come out when under pressure or any parts of his overall mechanics that need improving.

 

one other function is as a smoke machine for the great game the gms are playing.

they know their draft boards and are trying to guess other peoples so they can work out their strategy

so sending a big contingent suggests interest and may make other teams try and leap you

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