If you address your needs in free agency, you can go BAP in the draft.
If you have a potential franchise QB, fixing the offense is a higher priority than fixing the defense.
They need to pick up a starting quality guard and center in free agency.  If they renew Cleveland, then they only need a center.  If they cut Cam, they obviously would need to replace him. So that's at least 1 or potentially 3 new starting offensive linemen needed in free agency.
They can renew Ridley after he hits the market, or not, it's not a need, just a nice to have.
But as long as they address the offensive line in free agency, they will have the luxury of picking the best available receiver or lineman in the 1st round.
Defense is a lower priority across the board.

BPA is the best way to draft imo when your actual board is somewhat accurate and worth a [BLEEP].  They have proven their board sucks year after year.  They had Strange and Bigsby higher on their board than Torrence and Jones. That's just 1 of many examples in the last few years.  Their board sucks!   Maybe they can actually come up with a good bigboard this year

This!!!   So much this!   This is the most underrated aspect of drafting.  

If younactually get the board right then need v bap become irrelevant.

Brenton strange had more holding calls than catches and was behind in the pecking order to luke Farrel.   That's not a second round pick.

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BPA is the best way to draft imo when your actual board is somewhat accurate and worth a [BLEEP].  They have proven their board sucks year after year.  They had Strange and Bigsby higher on their board than Torrence and Jones. That's just 1 of many examples in the last few years.  Their board sucks!   Maybe they can actually come up with a good bigboard this year

This!!!   So much this!   This is the most underrated aspect of drafting.  

If younactually get the board right then need v bap become irrelevant.

Brenton strange had more holding calls than catches and was behind in the pecking order to luke Farrel.   That's not a second round pick.

Yep. That's been my sig for years. If you're great at scouting, your drafting methodology is irrelevant.

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Bradley was fired 8 years ago

Caldwell was fired 4 years ago

How many years exactly must pass before these firings are still the gold standard of Shahid Khan's measuring stick of patience? 

Serious [BLEEP] question.

I want to know??

Many posters are after Khan with a vengeance over this but I want to know if we really feel a self made billionaire has learned absolutely nothing over a decade of NFL ownership?? 

LOL - The assumptions around here sound asinine to me

LOL!!!  Are YOU serious?  CALDWELL WAS THE LAST GM!!!!!  If we're discussing the leash of the CURRENT GM, you think it is irrelevant to discuss the leash given to the LAST GM!?!?!  

Bradley is going a little farther back, but still completely relevant in terms of Khan's overall track record.  It's almost mind boggling that Khan kept a head coach so long with so little results.  It's the lowest winning percentage of any head coach in NFL history who coached a minimum of 60 games.  Seriously, I think even Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles could see the writing on the wall after 3 years with Bradley (if not much earlier), but Khan let him go for a fourth season?  When you break NFL history for ineptitude, people will tend to remember it.  Oh, and it WAS within the last decade.  

I didn't mention Marrone, but there wasn't exactly a super-fast trigger on him either.  He had to go 12-36 over a three-year period with three straight last place finishes in the division to get fired.  

He did fire Meyer quickly, but he had off-the-field issues.  If he didn't, who knows?  He may still be coaching here.  He maintained Baalke despite being 3-14 that season.

Most NFL coaches are on a short leash.  Vrabel just got fired despite having a 54-45 record with his team. He had winning records in 4 of his 6 years there with 3 playoff appearances.  Prior to this season, he had finished 1st or 2nd in the division for 4 straight years.  He was only 2 years removed from being NFL coach of the year.  Despite this, a 6 win season wasn't good enough to save his job.  Bradley averaged less than 4 wins per season and got 4 years.  Caldwell averaged less 5 wins per season and got 8 years.  Wow.

Khan not having a track record of moving slowly?  Really?

So that we are clear - you are perfectly comfortable making the assumption that Shad hasn't fired Baalke and isn't going to because he didn't fire Dave Caldwell until year "X"

OK

Great.  Makes little sense to me, but you're entitled to that.

The reality is that the organization currently has a different hierarchy amongst owner/HC/GM braintrust than it did at that time and Khan has both of these men report to him rather than to one another in terms of accountability. 

They are under a mandate to work together to field a successful football team. 

So far they have strung together the best two consecutive seasons we've had in NINETEEN years! 
So, no, he's not in a god awful hurry about firing Trent [BLEEP] Baalke right now. LOL You want to lambaste him for that, go right ahead. 

What he's doing right now is trying to figure out if Doug/Trent are going to be able to come to an agreement about the organizations shortcomings to lose 5 of their last 6 games and how to fix them. 

If they can, the braintrust remains. If they can't, change is imminent. 

Makes sense to me. 

Many think Trent should never be given a chance to be part of another draft process. They may be right in the end and they may be wrong. We won't know for a few years when those players have succeeded or failed. But we will learn something between March and May about the Pederson/Baalke approach to fixing this roster. I just want to know if they see what most of us see and how they address it. I don't think it is beyond their ability.

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This appears to be lost on or ignored by the “fire Baalke” folks.  Your ire should be just as strong toward Doug.

No one knows what the dynamic between Doug, Trent and Shad is, but I feel relatively confident it’s not a “I buy the groceries, you make the meal” kinda deal.  I think the buying of the groceries is more them both going to the store together given Doug’s pedigree.

Also, Shad gets painted as a slow moving moron at times around here when the message board warriors are dealing with probably very little actual verifiable information and Shad is dealing with all of the information (i.e. if anyone besides Doug and Trent knows who is responsible for a particular pick that went bad, i assure you he does.)

Gus Bradley never won more than 5 games in a season and he lasted 4 years.  Caldwell, with one exception, never won more than 6 games in a season and he lasted 8 years.  You don't consider that slow moving!?!?!?!?!?!?

His first HC hire as a new owner?  I seem to recall comments when he bought the team about wanting to emulate the Steelers who exhibit patience and stability and rarely fire their HC.  You need to give him a break and a pass on that one I think.  GMs are more difficult to evaluate over just a few years as players can sometimes take a couple of years to shine.  Secondly, GMs are generally credited with scouting and selecting prospects in the draft, but I would imagine in reality the dynamic is different franchise to franchise.  How involved is the coach here versus elsewhere?  Is the coach giving a list of player types for each position and deferring scouting to GM and scouts, is the coach scouting players and actually naming his preferences, is the coach actually involved in the selections?  Nobody outside the braintrust knows.  

In retrospect should he have cleaned house with Bradley, sure, but in the moment when you're laying blame on Bradley for the record the 4 years he was coach perhaps the GM saved his own [BLEEP] by effectively laying blame for lack of development at the coach's feet being the primary reason for lack of overall success.  Maybe Shad just genuinely liked Caldwell as a person which clouded his judgement.  I don't know, we weren't in the building to know what saved Caldwell, but I think judging a GM after 3 years without knowing the dynamic between Urban/Trent and now Doug/Trent and getting angry along with the judgement is premature and wasted energy.

I will say, it makes a lot more sense to me that Trent at some point or multiple points gave Shad advice that turned out to be good advice after the fact.  Maybe he warned him about Urban ahead of time, maybe he gave him a list of prospects he liked in the 2020 draft prior to the draft that turned out to be stars quickly on other teams while we drafted CJ Henderson and Chaisson.  Whatever it was, he has somehow ingratiated himself with Shad and I seriously doubt its in the vein of the meme'd evil advisor whispering into the absent minded king's head.  That's how clown outs get started.  I just don't get angry and call for specific heads to roll when I know I'm dealing with very little verifiable info which we are in this area.  Defensive readiness and performance?  Yeah, we can be a little more confident in making judgements on who is responsible.

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So wait til the first day of the new league year and then sign him.

Keep the 2nd rounder.

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https://twitter.com/demetrius82/status/1...915L-t18Xg

So wait til the first day of the new league year and then sign him.

Keep the 2nd rounder.

Does he WANT to be here though? From his interviews I didn’t get that, I also really don’t like when they refer to the team their on “ oh yeah I really like the Jags” like dude say this “I love this team I want to be here if it works out financially” that’s what Evan was saying last offseason 

Get T. Higg, not necessarily an upgrade, but maybe with Trevor and Travis on the team, T higg will want to reconnect.

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https://twitter.com/demetrius82/status/1...915L-t18Xg

So wait til the first day of the new league year and then sign him.

Keep the 2nd rounder.

March 13th is the official calendar year start. Same as when free agency starts. Should be easy fix then. Boils down to whether or not he's worth the price he's asking and whether or not there's better options for the team for the same price tag give or take. Only losing a 3rd RD pick in this scenario while still having one thanks to the Chiefs taking Taylor off our hands last year.

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https://twitter.com/demetrius82/status/1...915L-t18Xg

So wait til the first day of the new league year and then sign him.

Keep the 2nd rounder.

That would be free agency then so is he looking for highest bidder or want to stay in Jacksonville?  My guess would be the former.

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LOL!!!  Are YOU serious?  CALDWELL WAS THE LAST GM!!!!!  If we're discussing the leash of the CURRENT GM, you think it is irrelevant to discuss the leash given to the LAST GM!?!?!  

Bradley is going a little farther back, but still completely relevant in terms of Khan's overall track record.  It's almost mind boggling that Khan kept a head coach so long with so little results.  It's the lowest winning percentage of any head coach in NFL history who coached a minimum of 60 games.  Seriously, I think even Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles could see the writing on the wall after 3 years with Bradley (if not much earlier), but Khan let him go for a fourth season?  When you break NFL history for ineptitude, people will tend to remember it.  Oh, and it WAS within the last decade.  

I didn't mention Marrone, but there wasn't exactly a super-fast trigger on him either.  He had to go 12-36 over a three-year period with three straight last place finishes in the division to get fired.  

He did fire Meyer quickly, but he had off-the-field issues.  If he didn't, who knows?  He may still be coaching here.  He maintained Baalke despite being 3-14 that season.

Most NFL coaches are on a short leash.  Vrabel just got fired despite having a 54-45 record with his team. He had winning records in 4 of his 6 years there with 3 playoff appearances.  Prior to this season, he had finished 1st or 2nd in the division for 4 straight years.  He was only 2 years removed from being NFL coach of the year.  Despite this, a 6 win season wasn't good enough to save his job.  Bradley averaged less than 4 wins per season and got 4 years.  Caldwell averaged less 5 wins per season and got 8 years.  Wow.

Khan not having a track record of moving slowly?  Really?

So that we are clear - you are perfectly comfortable making the assumption that Shad hasn't fired Baalke and isn't going to because he didn't fire Dave Caldwell until year "X"

OK

Great.  Makes little sense to me, but you're entitled to that.

The reality is that the organization currently has a different hierarchy amongst owner/HC/GM braintrust than it did at that time and Khan has both of these men report to him rather than to one another in terms of accountability. 

They are under a mandate to work together to field a successful football team. 

So far they have strung together the best two consecutive seasons we've had in NINETEEN years! 
So, no, he's not in a god awful hurry about firing Trent [BLEEP] Baalke right now. LOL You want to lambaste him for that, go right ahead. 

What he's doing right now is trying to figure out if Doug/Trent are going to be able to come to an agreement about the organizations shortcomings to lose 5 of their last 6 games and how to fix them. 

If they can, the braintrust remains. If they can't, change is imminent. 

Makes sense to me. 

Many think Trent should never be given a chance to be part of another draft process. They may be right in the end and they may be wrong. We won't know for a few years when those players have succeeded or failed. But we will learn something between March and May about the Pederson/Baalke approach to fixing this roster. I just want to know if they see what most of us see and how they address it. I don't think it is beyond their ability.

Man I wish my job paid me 7 figures to suck then gave me a few years to see if I do suck or not. Lol

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So that we are clear - you are perfectly comfortable making the assumption that Shad hasn't fired Baalke and isn't going to because he didn't fire Dave Caldwell until year "X"

OK

Great.  Makes little sense to me, but you're entitled to that.

The reality is that the organization currently has a different hierarchy amongst owner/HC/GM braintrust than it did at that time and Khan has both of these men report to him rather than to one another in terms of accountability. 

They are under a mandate to work together to field a successful football team. 

So far they have strung together the best two consecutive seasons we've had in NINETEEN years! 
So, no, he's not in a god awful hurry about firing Trent [BLEEP] Baalke right now. LOL You want to lambaste him for that, go right ahead. 

What he's doing right now is trying to figure out if Doug/Trent are going to be able to come to an agreement about the organizations shortcomings to lose 5 of their last 6 games and how to fix them. 

If they can, the braintrust remains. If they can't, change is imminent. 

Makes sense to me. 

Many think Trent should never be given a chance to be part of another draft process. They may be right in the end and they may be wrong. We won't know for a few years when those players have succeeded or failed. But we will learn something between March and May about the Pederson/Baalke approach to fixing this roster. I just want to know if they see what most of us see and how they address it. I don't think it is beyond their ability.

Man I wish my job paid me 7 figures to suck then gave me a few years to see if I do suck or not. Lol

It's the nature of the business 

There's a reason coaches and GMs regularly last 3 years or less these days. 

Suck long enough and you gone. And the measuring stick for "long enough" keeps getting shorter

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It's a lousy situation. Ridley was good but not great and isn't a true #1. There was also too many missed routes and dropped balls. Tough to give up a 2nd and all the money he'll likely want. But giving up a 3rd for a one year rental, especially a guy that was arguably a detriment early on, is a bitter pill to swallow.

The only good outcome is you sign him and all those issues were due to rust and he becomes the alpha receiver you want. But I don't think that will happen.

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About if Ridley wants to be here, You can’t read into his enthusiasm judging him when he said he likes and not loves. Anyways, the jags will NOT find anyone better for the 2024 season than #0. First of all, Balkie isn’t skilled enough to draft someone better. Second, I doubt we land someone like Higgins. That being the case, I would sign him and see if he can play even better in 24.

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Ridley has the speed and big play potential you want. Remember, he was rusty after not playing for such a long period so it's likely that he'll be better next year. I think you use the franchise tag on him and keep the 2nd rounder.

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Let's reframe the situation. Here are roughly ~30 guys that are currently getting paid or probably will get paid if they stay healthy.

Who do you think Ridley is definitely better than on this list? Also note that we are already paying Christian Kirk a salary equal to one of these types of players, and he is not on this list.

List of WRs people might argue are top 20 in no particular order:
Stephon Diggs
Tyreek Hill
Amari Cooper
Ja'Marr Chase
Tee Higgins
Nico Collins
Micheal Pittman
Davante Adams
Keenan Allen
CeeDee Lamb
Amon-Ra St. Brown
Devonta Smith
AJ Brown
Justin Jefferson
DJ Moore
Mike Evans
Brandon Aiyuk
Deebo Samuels
Cooper Kupp
DJ Metcalf

Additional 1st/2nd Year Studs who are already in the conversation or projected to be after next year:
Zay Flowers
Tank Dell
Rashee Rice
Jayden Reed
Chris Olave
Drake London
Garret Wilson
Puka Nakua

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Ridley has the speed and big play potential you want.  Remember, he was rusty after not playing for such a long period so it's likely that he'll be better next year.  I think you use the franchise tag on him and keep the 2nd rounder.

If that's a possibility I would be open to it.

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Let's reframe the situation. Here are roughly ~30 guys that are currently getting paid or probably will get paid if they stay healthy.

Who do you think Ridley is definitely better than on this list? Also note that we are already paying Christian Kirk a salary equal to one of these types of players, and he is not on this list.

List of WRs people might argue are top 20 in no particular order:
Stephon Diggs
Tyreek Hill
Amari Cooper
Ja'Marr Chase
Tee Higgins
Nico Collins
Micheal Pittman
Davante Adams
Keenan Allen
CeeDee Lamb
Amon-Ra St. Brown
Devonta Smith
AJ Brown
Justin Jefferson
DJ Moore
Mike Evans
Brandon Aiyuk
Deebo Samuels
Cooper Kupp
DJ Metcalf

Additional 1st/2nd Year Studs who are already in the conversation or projected to be after next year:
Zay Flowers
Tank Dell
Rashee Rice
Jayden Reed
Chris Olave
Drake London
Garret Wilson
Puka Nakua

If you do something with ridley, you don't have to expend draft capital.   We need young lions at the Los.

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Browns are interested.

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Drafting a WR in the first two rounds instead of tagging or signing Ridley is an option and you can still spend two picks on OL and sign a FA center or guard if you wish.

The only thing that may hinder that sort of approach is if we bring in one of these blitz heavy/man coverage D coordinators we have been interviewing. If we do that - we will be using capital on man coverage capable secondary players.

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Drafting a WR in the first two rounds instead of tagging or signing Ridley is an option and you can still spend two picks on OL and sign a FA center or guard if you wish.

The only thing that may hinder that sort of approach is if we bring in one of these blitz heavy/man coverage D coordinators we have been interviewing. If we do that - we will be using capital on man coverage capable secondary players.

I think we should be signing ridley AND drafting a wr in the first 2 rounds. We need an alpha in that room. And we need to get younger.

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Drafting a WR in the first two rounds instead of tagging or signing Ridley is an option and you can still spend two picks on OL and sign a FA center or guard if you wish.

The only thing that may hinder that sort of approach is if we bring in one of these blitz heavy/man coverage D coordinators we have been interviewing. If we do that - we will be using capital on man coverage capable secondary players.

True that.  A good reason to wait and see who they select before spending a bunch of time on defense strategy. A message needs to be sent this year. Jacksonville is not a place to come and vacation. Poor preparation and discipline has a price that must be payed.

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