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Well thanks for pointing out that you have no idea what you're talking about, you are dismissed.

Who is saying Lawrence is elite? I rarely see that being thrown around here. Even from the diehard faithful's here that prowl routinely. It feels more like you're building your own strawman and then gas lighting it yourself for the fun of it. 

Clearly a lot of fans believe that if they take issue in me pointing out he's a flawed QB and hasn't played well when the video evidence and stats all support what i'm saying.

I think there's a middle ground. I can tell you personally, with him going into year four, my overall expectations for him are through the roof now. I am not going to excuse the turnovers as much as I would in the past, outside of the blatant one's that happen that were clearly not on him. 

Which I think is being fair. The reality is this, 18 wins over the last two years, with a chance just two weeks ago to clinch the divisional title again for the second year in a row. He, along with the rest of this football team, coaching staff and front office, collectively failed. He didn't play his best football down the stretch, as did a number of his teammates. 

We can chalk it up to injuries, incompetency, poor line play on both sides, breakdowns in communication, failure to make adjustments, etc. The reality is that it's a soup of issues, a quagmire. 

It's going to take a herculean off season to fix this team. Not just physically, but, most importantly, mentally. It really is the most important off season in franchise history as far as I am concerned. I am hoping this team, while sitting at home, after seeing Houston, Green Bay and Detroit do exactly what this team did last year, is reeling and learning from their mistakes of resting on their laurels or just being content on "getting there".

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Well thanks for pointing out that you have no idea what you're talking about, you are dismissed.

Who is saying Lawrence is elite? I rarely see that being thrown around here. Even from the diehard faithful's here that prowl routinely. It feels more like you're building your own strawman and then gas lighting it yourself for the fun of it. 

Clearly a lot of fans believe that if they take issue in me pointing out he's a flawed QB and hasn't played well when the video evidence and stats all support what i'm saying.

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Yep, he does.

P.S. - Friendly advice, stay completely away from politics outside the Political Forum.

Yea obviously I want the QB of my favorite team to really suck, I just really enjoy watching us get our backs blown out on TV 17 times a year.. it's awesome.. man remember the draft? I wanted us to take Zach Wilson so bad it woulda made this a lot easier damn..

Obviously.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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CJB hardest hit.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Remember, he’s never been good in the NFL. Exact quote and not out of context as CJB/MVP will try and claim.

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He's lucky. Hopefully the front office doesn't rest on their laurels again thinking he's indestructible or heals like Wolverine. He needs better protection up front. He needs a consistent and reliable running game. The rest will take care of itself. Hopefully he also learns how to better protect himself this off season.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Well thanks for pointing out that you have no idea what you're talking about, you are dismissed.


Clearly a lot of fans believe that if they take issue in me pointing out he's a flawed QB and hasn't played well when the video evidence and stats all support what i'm saying.

I think there's a middle ground. I can tell you personally, with him going into year four, my overall expectations for him are through the roof now. I am not going to excuse the turnovers as much as I would in the past, outside of the blatant one's that happen that were clearly not on him. 

Which I think is being fair. The reality is this, 18 wins over the last two years, with a chance just two weeks ago to clinch the divisional title again for the second year in a row. He, along with the rest of this football team, coaching staff and front office, collectively failed. He didn't play his best football down the stretch, as did a number of his teammates. 

We can chalk it up to injuries, incompetency, poor line play on both sides, breakdowns in communication, failure to make adjustments, etc. The reality is that it's a soup of issues, a quagmire. 

It's going to take a herculean off season to fix this team. Not just physically, but, most importantly, mentally. It really is the most important off season in franchise history as far as I am concerned. I am hoping this team, while sitting at home, after seeing Houston, Green Bay and Detroit do exactly what this team did last year, is reeling and learning from their mistakes of resting on their laurels or just being content on "getting there".

That's a fair assesment. 

Remember, he’s never been good in the NFL. Exact quote and not out of context as CJB/MVP will try and claim.

I should probably clarify now that I mean that he's never been good throughout the course of a season. He's definitely had a couple games that would qualify as good, but no where near enough to matter.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

https://twitter.com/LRiddickESPN/status/...-BoKw&s=19

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Obviously. But an average QB playing really poorly on a bad team dosen't mean he's good. ? same issues he had at Clemson, magnified by the NFL. Theres a reason the issues brought up with him today are the same exact things I said before we drafted him.. it's not rocket science.

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Obviously. But an average QB playing really poorly on a bad team dosen't mean he's good. ? same issues he had at Clemson, magnified by the NFL. Theres a reason the issues brought up with him today are the same exact things I said before we drafted him.. it's not rocket science.

What were the issues he had at Clemson?

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Obviously. But an average QB playing really poorly on a bad team dosen't mean he's good. ? same issues he had at Clemson, magnified by the NFL. Theres a reason the issues brought up with him today are the same exact things I said before we drafted him.. it's not rocket science.

What were the issues he had at Clemson?

The same he has here.

Stares down first option and throws short patterns too hard.

He's got other issues but those are two he hasn't corrected since College.

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Obviously. But an average QB playing really poorly on a bad team dosen't mean he's good. ? same issues he had at Clemson, magnified by the NFL. Theres a reason the issues brought up with him today are the same exact things I said before we drafted him.. it's not rocket science.

Who has played better than him on this offense?   He's the highest graded player (PFF) on this team.

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What were the issues he had at Clemson?

The same he has here.

Stares down first option and throws short patterns too hard.

He's got other issues but those are two he hasn't corrected since College.

Okay, so, here's my next question. 

Who are you replacing him with at QB? And, why?

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

What were the issues he had at Clemson?

The same he has here.

Stares down first option and throws short patterns too hard.

He's got other issues but those are two he hasn't corrected since College.

How do you stare down a receiver in less than 2 seconds?  You're making that one up.

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The same he has here.

Stares down first option and throws short patterns too hard.

He's got other issues but those are two he hasn't corrected since College.

How do you stare down a receiver in less than 2 seconds?  You're making that one up.

So Google search Trevor stares down receiver. You're not gonna like the videos.

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The same he has here.

Stares down first option and throws short patterns too hard.

He's got other issues but those are two he hasn't corrected since College.

Okay, so, here's my next question. 

Who are you replacing him with at QB? And, why?

No one! I'm just saying he hasn't corrected issues.

Can he? I hope so.

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Obviously. But an average QB playing really poorly on a bad team dosen't mean he's good. ? same issues he had at Clemson, magnified by the NFL. Theres a reason the issues brought up with him today are the same exact things I said before we drafted him.. it's not rocket science.

He was one of the better college QBs ever.  He never lost a regular season game and won a National Title as a freshman.  You are cluless on your QB evaluation lol

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Obviously. But an average QB playing really poorly on a bad team dosen't mean he's good. ? same issues he had at Clemson, magnified by the NFL. Theres a reason the issues brought up with him today are the same exact things I said before we drafted him.. it's not rocket science.

He was one of the better college QBs ever.  He never lost a regular season game and won a National Title as a freshman.  You are cluless on your QB evaluation lol

So he had no issues?

Cmon man. If CJ Stroud in his first season beats the crap out of Lawrence's third year you can admit he had and continues to have issues.

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How do you stare down a receiver in less than 2 seconds?  You're making that one up.

So Google search Trevor stares down receiver. You're not gonna like the videos.

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Okay, so, here's my next question. 

Who are you replacing him with at QB? And, why?

No one! I'm just saying he hasn't corrected issues.

Can he? I hope so.

So, in other words, you're somewhat of an expert, an armchair GM that can evaluate QB's from college to the NFL level, and yet, when presented a rather basic question, you don't have an answer for it?

Noted.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

What were the issues he had at Clemson?

The same he has here.

Stares down first option and throws short patterns too hard.

He's got other issues but those are two he hasn't corrected since College.

You keep saying this. Please tell me what QB or even player who doesn't have questions, minuses, or issues to correct out of college?

So you think he never should have been drafted because of that, or just pointing out that he has not completely improved on his flaws/minuses?

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Obviously. But an average QB playing really poorly on a bad team dosen't mean he's good. ? same issues he had at Clemson, magnified by the NFL. Theres a reason the issues brought up with him today are the same exact things I said before we drafted him.. it's not rocket science.

He was one of the better college QBs ever.  He never lost a regular season game and won a National Title as a freshman.  You are cluless on your QB evaluation lol

So was Tim Tebow, he still stared down his first read, he still sailed passes, he still would roll out almost exclusively to the left even if the pressure was coming from that direction, he still had accuracy issues whilst moving, he still made questionable decisions.. 

The difference?

He had NFL talent WRs running against nobodies wide open the majority of the time. 

Thats why a lot of prolific college passers have nice stats, and fail in the NFL.

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