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Trevor Lawrence: Franchise QB (TL Discussion, Merged Threads)
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01-15-2024, 04:48 PM
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(01-15-2024, 03:51 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote:(01-15-2024, 03:46 PM)PV=nRT Wrote: How do you stare down a receiver in less than 2 seconds? You're making that one up. As I said, you're making that up.
(01-15-2024, 04:48 PM)PV=nRT Wrote:(01-15-2024, 03:51 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: So Google search Trevor stares down receiver. He's definitely not, hell go look up his clemson highlight tape and just watch his head/eyes.. dude does not make a second read in 90% of his plays, even when he almost gets sacked ull notice him look directly back at the same WR and heave it.
01-15-2024, 04:53 PM
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(01-15-2024, 04:37 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:(01-15-2024, 04:02 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: He was one of the better college QBs ever. He never lost a regular season game and won a National Title as a freshman. You are cluless on your QB evaluation lol Tebow never had the arm talent Lawrence does and it's not a good example. I have seen more uncanny, off schedule, head turning throws in Lawrence's 50 some odd NFL career starts than I have in Tebow's entire career at any level. You act like Lawrence hasn't made impossible throws in tight windows already or something. He's done it enough since last year to show that he has that arm talent, which is why he was drafted where he was. Also, Tebow had to have a system tailor made for him. Lawrence didn't have that luxury in the NFL. And, for better or worse, whether anybody likes it or not. He just had his third straight year in a row with a third different play caller. That doesn't help anybody. If they actually did the things he did at Clemson, a lot more pistol and RPO stuff? He'd be doing more work outside of the pocket and with his legs. They're not asking him to do that very much at all here in Jacksonville. You keep building up some really goofy [BLEEP] strawmen over Lawrence man. And, once again, who are you replacing him with? I am not talking pick of the litter either or hypotheticals. I am genuinely asking. Between, free agency in March and the draft in April. Who are you replacing him with in 2024 and beyond? And why? "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."
(01-15-2024, 04:06 PM)Caldrac Wrote:(01-15-2024, 03:51 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: So Google search Trevor stares down receiver. You're not gonna like the videos. What are you talking about? Are you a Lawrence? I said there is no better QB we can acquire. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
He may have stared down WRs his rookie year, but generally when he has time he goes through his reads. I actually remember hearing on multiple occasions that he sometimes goes through his reads TOO quickly
IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS
(01-15-2024, 04:51 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:(01-15-2024, 04:48 PM)PV=nRT Wrote: As I said, you're making that up. ? Please provide evidence.
01-15-2024, 05:01 PM
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(01-15-2024, 04:55 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote:(01-15-2024, 04:06 PM)Caldrac Wrote: So, in other words, you're somewhat of an expert, an armchair GM that can evaluate QB's from college to the NFL level, and yet, when presented a rather basic question, you don't have an answer for it? That's not what I asked you. I'll try again. You're saying Lawrence needs to work on X, Y & Z as a QB. So, I assumed, maybe you had some insight or knew a good QB when you saw one. I wasn't asking a smart [BLEEP] question earlier. It's a genuine question. If you're that confident in your analysis on Lawrence as it stands today, in between watching him and other QB's out there, whether it's guys hitting the market or the draft, you can't name a QB or multiple QB's you wouldn't find viable as a potential replacement? That's all I am getting at. "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king." We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(01-15-2024, 02:50 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:(01-15-2024, 01:14 PM)Caldrac Wrote: I think there's a middle ground. I can tell you personally, with him going into year four, my overall expectations for him are through the roof now. I am not going to excuse the turnovers as much as I would in the past, outside of the blatant one's that happen that were clearly not on him. And there’s the backpedal, right on cue.
(01-15-2024, 04:05 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote:(01-15-2024, 04:02 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: He was one of the better college QBs ever. He never lost a regular season game and won a National Title as a freshman. You are cluless on your QB evaluation lol He totally has issues, for example the offensive line can't block, the run game can't get going, and the receivers dropped mutliplte big time throws. Even worse, the defense couldn't stop anyone when it mattered down the stretch. But they are definitely working on them and the offseason is going to be great fun to watch. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
01-15-2024, 05:28 PM
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(01-15-2024, 12:59 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote:(01-15-2024, 12:55 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: I can only imagine that CJB rubbed his palms bloody anticipating this very conversation. But the problem is that if he is not top 10 then for all intents and purposes, he does suck for this team and franchise. This is not a franchise that can conceivable win a SB without a top 10 QB. The only force multiplier on the roster excluding the QB position, on the coaching staff, or in FO is probably Josh Allen. If that is your assessment, then you should also believe this team should be trying to trade him, and gunning to breathe new life into a guy like Justin Fields via trade or aiming to trade up in the draft to get a QB. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
You'll soon find out what the team really thinks. Trevor is eligible for an extension this off-season. Let's see how long it takes and the details of the contract if it happens.
(01-15-2024, 04:51 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:(01-15-2024, 04:48 PM)PV=nRT Wrote: As I said, you're making that up. ? Seems to me you said THE EXACT SAME THING about Stroud.
(01-15-2024, 05:28 PM)rpr52121 Wrote:(01-15-2024, 12:59 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: None of us want Trevor to fail. I mean he can have a decent career still, think of guys like Cousins, Alex Smith, tannehill etc.... (01-15-2024, 09:03 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:(01-14-2024, 08:55 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: His logic is simple. Trevor has over 1750 career attempts in the NFL and all they could put together was a clip of 6 throws. Yup, sounds about right. Because Trevor is just that damn good. Easy. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(01-15-2024, 04:53 PM)Caldrac Wrote:(01-15-2024, 04:37 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: So was Tim Tebow, he still stared down his first read, he still sailed passes, he still would roll out almost exclusively to the left even if the pressure was coming from that direction, he still had accuracy issues whilst moving, he still made questionable decisions.. It's a perfect example, you claimed he was a "great college QB" as if that means anything at this level.. it dosen't, there are a ton of guys who did it there and can't do it here. As far as replacing him, i'm not looking into replacing him until next year, and the basis for that would be if we see the same lackluster QB play we've seen for 3 years now. (01-15-2024, 05:46 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote:Still waiting for you to link evidence that Trevor's problem is that he "stares down receivers".(01-15-2024, 05:28 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: But the problem is that if he is not top 10 then for all intents and purposes, he does suck for this team and franchise. This is not a franchise that can conceivable win a SB without a top 10 QB.
(01-15-2024, 05:41 PM)RicoTx Wrote:(01-15-2024, 04:51 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: He's definitely not, hell go look up his clemson highlight tape and just watch his head/eyes.. dude does not make a second read in 90% of his plays, even when he almost gets sacked ull notice him look directly back at the same WR and heave it. Fair call out, I was wrong about stroud. But, caveat here is that with Lawrence I took the time to geniunely watch each play he was involved in at Clemson, I did not do some sort of deep research into Stroud because there was obviously no point, we weren't taking him. Tho if you wanna go back further you'd note I flat out said Zach Wilson would be a bust, I flat out said Justin Fields would be a budget Lamarr.. the guys I assumed we may have taken during that time (didn't know we'd have the first pick). It's easy to dog on somebody when you change the narrative like NYC and others do. They took my observations of his flaws and made it out like I flat out called him a bust which I didn't. A simple search through my post history on draft day and before, I wanted to take him because he does have the most potential in that class, but he wasn't a generational talent.. |
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