This is a believable take.  It is correct we do not know.  The reason? Kahn is a successful executive and they tend to be to the point, confidential and hold people accountable.  Baalkie has been confidential since he has been here as has Doug.   Doug when asked about the line has always been very brief and when asked about our center the most he has said is Fortner is our center.  This makes sense as he is our only center besides Shatley who at best could be considered a back up.

Since Doug has been here I have only heard 2 rumors about the draft on the o-line. First Doug wanted to "fix" the line immediately upon his arrival. Second, Kahn asked Both Doug and Rauscher if Harrison could start day one at RT just before they picked him.

I would guess (and that is all it is) Doug wanted another O-lineman with the third/fourth round pick last year.  He was for the second year over ruled and made a request directly to Kahn.

Meh, I'm not buying this either.  What about round 2?  Strange was a Doug pick.  Doug has also said numerous times the offense line hasn't played well because of injuries.

Err, well that's good cause I wasn't selling just stating an opinion, the same way you are assuming round 2 was a Doug pick.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Meh, I'm not buying this either.  What about round 2?  Strange was a Doug pick.  Doug has also said numerous times the offense line hasn't played well because of injuries.

How do you know Strange was a Doug pick?

Did you watch the Presser the day after the pick?

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Meh, I'm not buying this either.  What about round 2?  Strange was a Doug pick.  Doug has also said numerous times the offense line hasn't played well because of injuries.

Err, well that's good cause I wasn't selling just stating an opinion, the same way you are assuming round 2 was a Doug pick.

It was clear as day.  How do you say it was Doug's pick without saying it was Doug's pick lol. You couldn't tell?

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The stipper really does like you man.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The stipper really does like you man.

If she keeps coming to my house and I bang without giving her money she must

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This is a believable take.  It is correct we do not know.  The reason? Kahn is a successful executive and they tend to be to the point, confidential and hold people accountable.  Baalkie has been confidential since he has been here as has Doug.   Doug when asked about the line has always been very brief and when asked about our center the most he has said is Fortner is our center.  This makes sense as he is our only center besides Shatley who at best could be considered a back up.

Since Doug has been here I have only heard 2 rumors about the draft on the o-line. First Doug wanted to "fix" the line immediately upon his arrival. Second, Kahn asked Both Doug and Rauscher if Harrison could start day one at RT just before they picked him.

I would guess (and that is all it is) Doug wanted another O-lineman with the third/fourth round pick last year.  He was for the second year over ruled and made a request directly to Kahn.

False  Doug has always praised Fortner and has even mentioned him as one of our building blocks.  He's mentioned numerous times that Fortner has played well.

LOL

You have to be kidding me.

Zero understanding of coach speak. A HC isn't going to bash a rookie that may have upside, and he's not gonna bash him in year two either if he has literally NO ONE on the roster that represents an upgrade.  
The only option he had at center was the one OL player playing equally as bad as Fortner. 

With no help on the way - you don't ruin the kids confidence to keep going by beating him up at a damn press conference. 

C'mon man. 

If Doug really thinks that kid is worth a damn at Center - then I'll rethink my entire position on Doug Pederson.

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So, all of that talk about Pederson wanting Taylor Vs. Baalke may not be fluff afterall.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

So, all of that talk about Pederson wanting Taylor Vs. Baalke may not be fluff afterall.

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I'm unaware of what you are referencing.

Are you talking about Jawaan Taylor, or Press Taylor, or...?

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This may be Bucky Brooks coming from the top rope on how he feels about the dismissed Mike Caldwell in Jax:

https://twitter.com/BuckyBrooks/status/1...34642?s=20

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Bend your opponent to your will and break their gameplan. That's what you do on defense.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

False  Doug has always praised Fortner and has even mentioned him as one of our building blocks.  He's mentioned numerous times that Fortner has played well.

LOL

You have to be kidding me.

Zero understanding of coach speak. A HC isn't going to bash a rookie that may have upside, and he's not gonna bash him in year two either if he has literally NO ONE on the roster that represents an upgrade.  
The only option he had at center was the one OL player playing equally as bad as Fortner. 

With no help on the way - you don't ruin the kids confidence to keep going by beating him up at a damn press conference. 

C'mon man. 

If Doug really thinks that kid is worth a damn at Center - then I'll rethink my entire position on Doug Pederson.

You mean like the coach speak of Doug calling out Trevor multiple times for his play?  Doug absolutely should call out Fortner if hes they 33rd ranked C when there is only 32 teams.  If you think your center is so weak that it will ruin his confidence and play worse than he has up to this point when pointing out his poor play than its definitely time to make a change regardless.  What confidence does he think the 33rd ranked center has?  lololol  Maybe he should try lighting a fire because it whatever hes been doing hasnt worked up to this point.  If he didnt see how bad Fortner was last year what makes you think he sees it this year?  Hes pretty much the same player, a little worse but had injuries this year around him like Doug said. Or do you just think this is all on Baalke?  Because i havent heard you say that 


You always talk out of you [BLEEP] without anything to back it up. At least I bring reciepts, try that instead of just saying whats off the top of your head.  Kinda like you think all teams draft for need.  Straight from the horses mouth.  
Bucs' Bruce Arians: 'You draft for need, you get fired' (nfl.com)

"Coaches cut players"  Baalke cut a guy 15 years ago when he was a lower positon than he is now yet you think he cant cut a player at GM?  

Jaguars GM Trent Baalke ripped by former player (usatoday.com)




Start showing some [BLEEP] to back up your takes.  Until then its just you talking out your [BLEEP].

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This may be Bucky Brooks coming from the top rope on how he feels about the dismissed Mike Caldwell in Jax:

https://twitter.com/BuckyBrooks/status/1...34642?s=20

Huh?  We wouldn't be intervewing Martindale if we didnt want this type of defense.

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LOL

You have to be kidding me.

Zero understanding of coach speak. A HC isn't going to bash a rookie that may have upside, and he's not gonna bash him in year two either if he has literally NO ONE on the roster that represents an upgrade.  
The only option he had at center was the one OL player playing equally as bad as Fortner. 

With no help on the way - you don't ruin the kids confidence to keep going by beating him up at a damn press conference. 

C'mon man. 

If Doug really thinks that kid is worth a damn at Center - then I'll rethink my entire position on Doug Pederson.

You mean like the coach speak of Doug calling out Trevor multiple times for his play?  Doug absolutely should call out Fortner if hes they 33rd ranked C when there is only 32 teams.  If you think your center is so weak that it will ruin his confidence and play worse than he has up to this point when pointing out his poor play than its definitely time to make a change regardless.  What confidence does he think the 33rd ranked center has?  lololol  Maybe he should try lighting a fire because it whatever hes been doing hasnt worked up to this point.  If he didnt see how bad Fortner was last year what makes you think he sees it this year?  Hes pretty much the same player, a little worse but had injuries this year around him like Doug said. Or do you just think this is all on Baalke?  Because i havent heard you say that 


You always talk out of you [BLEEP] without anything to back it up. At least I bring reciepts, try that instead of just saying whats off the top of your head.  Kinda like you think all teams draft for need.  Straight from the horses mouth.  
Bucs' Bruce Arians: 'You draft for need, you get fired' (nfl.com)

"Coaches cut players"  Baalke cut a guy 15 years ago when he was a lower positon than he is now yet you think he cant cut a player at GM?  

Jaguars GM Trent Baalke ripped by former player (usatoday.com)




Start showing some [BLEEP] to back up your takes.  Until then its just you talking out your [BLEEP].

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This may be Bucky Brooks coming from the top rope on how he feels about the dismissed Mike Caldwell in Jax:

https://twitter.com/BuckyBrooks/status/1...34642?s=20

Huh?  We wouldn't be intervewing Martindale if we didnt want this type of defense.

Yeah - the more you type the more clear it is you don't know what you are saying. 

Sorry bud.

Pederson either blew sunshine and rainbows at Fortner because he had a reason to choose positive motivation - or Pederson is a [BLEEP] idiot that needs serious help figuring out a run scheme and what to look for in a center. 

I don't believe it is the latter. 

You can believe that if you want. 

You clearly don't understand the dynamics Khan set up with Baalke and Doug. Trent isn't cutting players in Jax w/o Doug's involvement. 

We've been through that stupid Arians quote a hundred times and you are an idiot to believe it at face value. Every GM drafts for need with most of their early picks.

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LOL

You have to be kidding me.

Zero understanding of coach speak. A HC isn't going to bash a rookie that may have upside, and he's not gonna bash him in year two either if he has literally NO ONE on the roster that represents an upgrade.  
The only option he had at center was the one OL player playing equally as bad as Fortner. 

With no help on the way - you don't ruin the kids confidence to keep going by beating him up at a damn press conference. 

C'mon man. 

If Doug really thinks that kid is worth a damn at Center - then I'll rethink my entire position on Doug Pederson.

You mean like the coach speak of Doug calling out Trevor multiple times for his play?  Doug absolutely should call out Fortner if hes they 33rd ranked C when there is only 32 teams.  If you think your center is so weak that it will ruin his confidence and play worse than he has up to this point when pointing out his poor play than its definitely time to make a change regardless.  What confidence does he think the 33rd ranked center has?  lololol  Maybe he should try lighting a fire because it whatever hes been doing hasnt worked up to this point.  If he didnt see how bad Fortner was last year what makes you think he sees it this year?  Hes pretty much the same player, a little worse but had injuries this year around him like Doug said. Or do you just think this is all on Baalke?  Because i havent heard you say that 


You always talk out of you [BLEEP] without anything to back it up. At least I bring reciepts, try that instead of just saying whats off the top of your head.  Kinda like you think all teams draft for need.  Straight from the horses mouth.  
Bucs' Bruce Arians: 'You draft for need, you get fired' (nfl.com)

"Coaches cut players"  Baalke cut a guy 15 years ago when he was a lower positon than he is now yet you think he cant cut a player at GM?  

Jaguars GM Trent Baalke ripped by former player (usatoday.com)




Start showing some [BLEEP] to back up your takes.  Until then its just you talking out your [BLEEP].

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This may be Bucky Brooks coming from the top rope on how he feels about the dismissed Mike Caldwell in Jax:

https://twitter.com/BuckyBrooks/status/1...34642?s=20

Huh?  We wouldn't be intervewing Martindale if we didnt want this type of defense.

You think Martindale is "bend don't break?"

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False  Doug has always praised Fortner and has even mentioned him as one of our building blocks.  He's mentioned numerous times that Fortner has played well.

LOL

You have to be kidding me.

Zero understanding of coach speak. A HC isn't going to bash a rookie that may have upside, and he's not gonna bash him in year two either if he has literally NO ONE on the roster that represents an upgrade.  
The only option he had at center was the one OL player playing equally as bad as Fortner. 

With no help on the way - you don't ruin the kids confidence to keep going by beating him up at a damn press conference. 

C'mon man. 

If Doug really thinks that kid is worth a damn at Center - then I'll rethink my entire position on Doug Pederson.

No, I believe he has been brief and said the same thing over and over BECAUSE when the guy was picked he did not want him or wanted to get a replacement in last year's draft. Every time he did this it reminded the draft pick brain trust just who believed the guy could play.  Also, like you stated he had no other options so dissing the player did him no good. Look every player on that team knows about where they stand and how they did. That includes our center...

At the end of the day it was Doug being politically correct....

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

You mean like the coach speak of Doug calling out Trevor multiple times for his play?  Doug absolutely should call out Fortner if hes they 33rd ranked C when there is only 32 teams.  If you think your center is so weak that it will ruin his confidence and play worse than he has up to this point when pointing out his poor play than its definitely time to make a change regardless.  What confidence does he think the 33rd ranked center has?  lololol  Maybe he should try lighting a fire because it whatever hes been doing hasnt worked up to this point.  If he didnt see how bad Fortner was last year what makes you think he sees it this year?  Hes pretty much the same player, a little worse but had injuries this year around him like Doug said. Or do you just think this is all on Baalke?  Because i havent heard you say that 


You always talk out of you [BLEEP] without anything to back it up. At least I bring reciepts, try that instead of just saying whats off the top of your head.  Kinda like you think all teams draft for need.  Straight from the horses mouth.  
Bucs' Bruce Arians: 'You draft for need, you get fired' (nfl.com)

"Coaches cut players"  Baalke cut a guy 15 years ago when he was a lower positon than he is now yet you think he cant cut a player at GM?  

Jaguars GM Trent Baalke ripped by former player (usatoday.com)




Start showing some [BLEEP] to back up your takes.  Until then its just you talking out your [BLEEP].

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Huh?  We wouldn't be intervewing Martindale if we didnt want this type of defense.

Yeah - the more you type the more clear it is you don't know what you are saying. 

Sorry bud.

Pederson either blew sunshine and rainbows at Fortner because he had a reason to choose positive motivation - or Pederson is a [BLEEP] idiot that needs serious help figuring out a run scheme and what to look for in a center. 

I don't believe it is the latter. 

You can believe that if you want. 

You clearly don't understand the dynamics Khan set up with Baalke and Doug. Trent isn't cutting players in Jax w/o Doug's involvement. 

We've been through that stupid Arians quote a hundred times and you are an idiot to believe it at face value. Every GM drafts for need with most of their early picks.

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You mean like the coach speak of Doug calling out Trevor multiple times for his play?  Doug absolutely should call out Fortner if hes they 33rd ranked C when there is only 32 teams.  If you think your center is so weak that it will ruin his confidence and play worse than he has up to this point when pointing out his poor play than its definitely time to make a change regardless.  What confidence does he think the 33rd ranked center has?  lololol  Maybe he should try lighting a fire because it whatever hes been doing hasnt worked up to this point.  If he didnt see how bad Fortner was last year what makes you think he sees it this year?  Hes pretty much the same player, a little worse but had injuries this year around him like Doug said. Or do you just think this is all on Baalke?  Because i havent heard you say that 


You always talk out of you [BLEEP] without anything to back it up. At least I bring reciepts, try that instead of just saying whats off the top of your head.  Kinda like you think all teams draft for need.  Straight from the horses mouth.  
Bucs' Bruce Arians: 'You draft for need, you get fired' (nfl.com)

"Coaches cut players"  Baalke cut a guy 15 years ago when he was a lower positon than he is now yet you think he cant cut a player at GM?  

Jaguars GM Trent Baalke ripped by former player (usatoday.com)




Start showing some [BLEEP] to back up your takes.  Until then its just you talking out your [BLEEP].

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Huh?  We wouldn't be intervewing Martindale if we didnt want this type of defense.

You think Martindale is "bend don't break?"

No, I'm saying Martindale is the opposite.

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You mean like the coach speak of Doug calling out Trevor multiple times for his play?  Doug absolutely should call out Fortner if hes they 33rd ranked C when there is only 32 teams.  If you think your center is so weak that it will ruin his confidence and play worse than he has up to this point when pointing out his poor play than its definitely time to make a change regardless.  What confidence does he think the 33rd ranked center has?  lololol  Maybe he should try lighting a fire because it whatever hes been doing hasnt worked up to this point.  If he didnt see how bad Fortner was last year what makes you think he sees it this year?  Hes pretty much the same player, a little worse but had injuries this year around him like Doug said. Or do you just think this is all on Baalke?  Because i havent heard you say that 


You always talk out of you [BLEEP] without anything to back it up. At least I bring reciepts, try that instead of just saying whats off the top of your head.  Kinda like you think all teams draft for need.  Straight from the horses mouth.  
Bucs' Bruce Arians: 'You draft for need, you get fired' (nfl.com)

"Coaches cut players"  Baalke cut a guy 15 years ago when he was a lower positon than he is now yet you think he cant cut a player at GM?  

Jaguars GM Trent Baalke ripped by former player (usatoday.com)




Start showing some [BLEEP] to back up your takes.  Until then its just you talking out your [BLEEP].

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Huh?  We wouldn't be intervewing Martindale if we didnt want this type of defense.

Yeah - the more you type the more clear it is you don't know what you are saying. 

Sorry bud.

Pederson either blew sunshine and rainbows at Fortner because he had a reason to choose positive motivation - or Pederson is a [BLEEP] idiot that needs serious help figuring out a run scheme and what to look for in a center. 

I don't believe it is the latter. 

You can believe that if you want. 

You clearly don't understand the dynamics Khan set up with Baalke and Doug. Trent isn't cutting players in Jax w/o Doug's involvement. 

We've been through that stupid Arians quote a hundred times and you are an idiot to believe it at face value. Every GM drafts for need with most of their early picks.

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You mean like the coach speak of Doug calling out Trevor multiple times for his play?  Doug absolutely should call out Fortner if hes they 33rd ranked C when there is only 32 teams.  If you think your center is so weak that it will ruin his confidence and play worse than he has up to this point when pointing out his poor play than its definitely time to make a change regardless.  What confidence does he think the 33rd ranked center has?  lololol  Maybe he should try lighting a fire because it whatever hes been doing hasnt worked up to this point.  If he didnt see how bad Fortner was last year what makes you think he sees it this year?  Hes pretty much the same player, a little worse but had injuries this year around him like Doug said. Or do you just think this is all on Baalke?  Because i havent heard you say that 


You always talk out of you [BLEEP] without anything to back it up. At least I bring reciepts, try that instead of just saying whats off the top of your head.  Kinda like you think all teams draft for need.  Straight from the horses mouth.  
Bucs' Bruce Arians: 'You draft for need, you get fired' (nfl.com)

"Coaches cut players"  Baalke cut a guy 15 years ago when he was a lower positon than he is now yet you think he cant cut a player at GM?  

Jaguars GM Trent Baalke ripped by former player (usatoday.com)




Start showing some [BLEEP] to back up your takes.  Until then its just you talking out your [BLEEP].

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Huh?  We wouldn't be intervewing Martindale if we didnt want this type of defense.

You think Martindale is "bend don't break?"

So you think the Fortner situation and oline these past few years is all on Baalke? Someone is at fault and I think it's both

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Yeah - the more you type the more clear it is you don't know what you are saying. 

Sorry bud.

Pederson either blew sunshine and rainbows at Fortner because he had a reason to choose positive motivation - or Pederson is a [BLEEP] idiot that needs serious help figuring out a run scheme and what to look for in a center. 

I don't believe it is the latter. 

You can believe that if you want. 

You clearly don't understand the dynamics Khan set up with Baalke and Doug. Trent isn't cutting players in Jax w/o Doug's involvement. 

We've been through that stupid Arians quote a hundred times and you are an idiot to believe it at face value. Every GM drafts for need with most of their early picks.

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You think Martindale is "bend don't break?"

No, I'm saying Martindale is the opposite.

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Yeah - the more you type the more clear it is you don't know what you are saying. 

Sorry bud.

Pederson either blew sunshine and rainbows at Fortner because he had a reason to choose positive motivation - or Pederson is a [BLEEP] idiot that needs serious help figuring out a run scheme and what to look for in a center. 

I don't believe it is the latter. 

You can believe that if you want. 

You clearly don't understand the dynamics Khan set up with Baalke and Doug. Trent isn't cutting players in Jax w/o Doug's involvement. 

We've been through that stupid Arians quote a hundred times and you are an idiot to believe it at face value. Every GM drafts for need with most of their early picks.

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You think Martindale is "bend don't break?"

So you think the Fortner situation and oline these past few years is all on Baalke?  Someone is at fault and I think it's both

You clearly misunderstood my references to Brooks/Caldwell.
Whatever. Caldwell played a bend/don't break scheme after he adjusted midseason in year one. Bucky didn't like that. 


I'm not so stupid to sit here and act like I know who Fortner's biggest supporters were on draft day. Or any of the other picks for that matter. We don't know. 

Baalke and Pederson share responsibility at the end of the day for not equipping the line with proper personnel. And we may never know which picks they let the other talk them into.

I know they screwed up being too focused on super athletic guys and robbed themselves of opportunities to land upgrades to their line and I want that to change ASAP.

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No, I'm saying Martindale is the opposite.

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So you think the Fortner situation and oline these past few years is all on Baalke?  Someone is at fault and I think it's both

You clearly misunderstood my references to Brooks/Caldwell.
Whatever. Caldwell played a bend/don't break scheme after he adjusted midseason in year one. Bucky didn't like that. 


I'm not so stupid to sit here and act like I know who Fortner's biggest supporters were on draft day. Or any of the other picks for that matter. We don't know. 

Baalke and Pederson share responsibility at the end of the day for not equipping the line with proper personnel. And we may never know which picks they let the other talk them into.

I know they screwed up being too focused on super athletic guys and robbed themselves of opportunities to land upgrades to their line and I want that to change ASAP.

Whatever happened we need 2 guards and a center. Cleveland and Tugboat could be ok but I sure would not bet next season on it.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

False  Doug has always praised Fortner and has even mentioned him as one of our building blocks.  He's mentioned numerous times that Fortner has played well.

LOL

You have to be kidding me.

Zero understanding of coach speak. A HC isn't going to bash a rookie that may have upside, and he's not gonna bash him in year two either if he has literally NO ONE on the roster that represents an upgrade.  
The only option he had at center was the one OL player playing equally as bad as Fortner. 

With no help on the way - you don't ruin the kids confidence to keep going by beating him up at a damn press conference. 

C'mon man. 

If Doug really thinks that kid is worth a damn at Center - then I'll rethink my entire position on Doug Pederson.

This is where I'm at.   I think Doug ALWAYS plays the media and never gives a truly straight answer about individual players. (except Trevor's interceptions)

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The Other Jag Forum: Duval Football Fans.

Brandon Scherff is no longer that dude.   Next season I want him gone.

There's also a huge difference between calling out your Franchise QB that everyone knows is the franchise and there's zero doubts (outside of some here) that he's our guy and calling out a struggling year 2 mid round pick center.

Also, as a coach, you think about what motivation a player responds to better. Some (like Trevor) respond well to be called out directly, others (possibly Fortner) respond better to positive re-enforcement and openly criticizing them can make the problem worse. It's the nuance of coaching and knowing your players.

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

There's also a huge difference between calling out your Franchise QB that everyone knows is the franchise and there's zero doubts (outside of some here) that he's our guy and calling out a struggling center year mid round pick center.

Also, as a coach, you think about what motivation a player responds to better. Some (like Trevor) respond well to be called out directly, others (possibly Fortner) respond better to positive re-enforcement and openly criticizing them can make the problem worse. It's the nuance of coaching and knowing your players.

Coaches should never call out their players in public.  There's an old business adage: "public praise, private criticism."  

What good would it do for Pederson to stand in front of a press conference and say Fortner sucks?  Besides, since Pederson has been here, he's cut dozens of players, and he has never publicly criticized any of them.  

So I would conclude, since it is pretty obvious Fortner lacks the physical strength to play Center effectively, surely Pederson sees this.  And just because he doesn't say it doesn't mean he doesn't see it.

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There's also a huge difference between calling out your Franchise QB that everyone knows is the franchise and there's zero doubts (outside of some here) that he's our guy and calling out a struggling center year mid round pick center.

Also, as a coach, you think about what motivation a player responds to better. Some (like Trevor) respond well to be called out directly, others (possibly Fortner) respond better to positive re-enforcement and openly criticizing them can make the problem worse. It's the nuance of coaching and knowing your players.

This right here, pin it to every thread.

The franchise guy is special. They know what they are, they know that they are subject to public critique, they know that coach is VERY invested in their success. Nothing is said in front of a microphone that hasn't already been said on sideline, in film room, or in face to face conversations. The rest of the team, you give the press corps some flowery words to print, if you have any criticism it stays on the practice field or during the week when the reporters are at a distance.  And every last person on the team knows when coach is blowing smoke about them or not; Fortner knows when he blows a block or Harrison knows when he jumps a count - coach can say all the encouraging words he wants to the public, but they all know he's on their heineys during the week if those gaffes are costing games.

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