I wonder if the student athletes on scholarship have really thought this through. When I was in college, I wasn't gifted enough to be a scholarship athlete and had to pay my own tuition, meals, room, and other expenses like books and medical treatment. I would have loved to have had the full ride at $26k/yr. And if I happened study hard, I could have graduated early (or if I red-shirted or had a medical injury) with the opportunity to add a graduate degree, making those last two years worth $50-60k. Every athlete who applies his or herself has a tremendous opportunity. If they need to pay athletes, one of two things will happen: either recruitment will be market driven by a limited athletic budget or union representation will cause other non-revenue producing athletic programs to be killed - maybe both. In the end, a few athletes will see increased benefit while most will be impacted by unintended consequences.

 

I think you hit the nail on the head.  They haven't thought this through.

 

Union membership has been declining sharply, and I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't the ones driving this (not the student athletes.)

 

For the sake of discussion (not that I believe it will happen), any such unionization would be immediately followed with the affected schools eliminating scholarships.

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The commercial/autograph thing is fine with me too. I assume the only reason they're not allowed is boosters/agents paying them excessively for this and affecting recruiting?

That is my assumption

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The commercial/autograph thing is fine with me too.  I assume the only reason they're not allowed is boosters/agents paying them excessively for this and affecting recruiting?

 

But it happens any way. At least this way when it is found out the Schools aren't going to be held responsible with vacated wins, titles, no post season, etc....

 

These things would be non issues now. And its not like that stuff is illegal its just against NCAA regulations. Get rid of that and college athletics will thrive more than it ever has.

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But it happens any way. At least this way when it is found out the Schools aren't going to be held responsible with vacated wins, titles, no post season, etc....


These things would be non issues now. And its not like that stuff is illegal its just against NCAA regulations. Get rid of that and college athletics will thrive more than it ever has.

The "it happens anyway" argument is pointless. Just because it happens doesnt mean they always get away with it or that it needs to now be allowed.


People steal things everyday, should we now legalize it because it happens anyway.

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The "it happens anyway" argument is pointless. Just because it happens doesnt mean they always get away with it or that it needs to now be allowed.

People steal things everyday, should we now legalize it because it happens anyway.

 

Really?!!?!?!

 

Taking money to play somewhere of for an autograph is not illegal....so please just stop.

 

It's against NCAA rules not THE LAW. I am saying change the rule and you wouldn't have this union talk, which a union would be so much worse for the college athletics than players taking money from boosters, autographs, commercials, etc. (some of which already goes on anyway).

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Really?!!?!?!


Taking money to play someone of for an autograph is not illegal....so please just stop.


It's against NCAA rules not THE LAW. I am saying change the rule and you wouldn't have this union talk, which would be much much worse for the college athletics.

Ya I understand that... the point still applies. Just because it happens doesnt mean it should be allowed. It shouldnt be allowed for many reasons.


Do you think its not allowed just because the big bad white men of the NCAA cant stand seeing players make a buck?

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Really?!!?!?!

 

Taking money to play somewhere of for an autograph is not illegal....so please just stop.

 

It's against NCAA rules not THE LAW. I am saying change the rule and you wouldn't have this union talk, which a union would be so much worse for the college athletics than players taking money from boosters, autographs, commercials, etc. (some of which already goes on anyway).

 

It is illegal. Your argument is exactly the same.

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Ya I understand that... the point still applies. Just because it happens doesnt mean it should be allowed. It shouldnt be allowed for many reasons.

Do you think its not allowed just because the big bad white men of the NCAA cant stand seeing players make a buck?

 

1) Why are you trying to make this racial?

 

2) No, I think its not allowed because the NCAA needs to hold firm that it really is a non-profit (which is bogus) and if players are taking money to attend schools and possibly other avenues then it helps slap that argument down and then the NCAA has to start paying taxes....

 

Its all about money. They don't want to pay taxes, that's all this is about.

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It is illegal. Your argument is exactly the same.

 

Umm....it is not illegal....its against the rules....illegal means someone commits a crime against the laws of the land and would serve a prison term if convicted.

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Umm....it is not illegal....its against the rules....illegal means someone commits a crime against the laws of the land and would serve a prison term if convicted.

 

That is semantics, it doesn't invalidate the point he was making.

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1) Why are you trying to make this racial?


2) No, I think its not allowed because the NCAA needs to hold firm that it really is a non-profit (which is bogus) and if players are taking money to attend schools and possibly other avenues then it helps slap that argument down and then the NCAA has to start paying taxes....


Its all about money. They don't want to pay taxes, that's all this is about.

Its about alot more than just taxes. I dont think letting a player make money outside of football would end NFP status, but lets say it did. How is that better for the sport as a whole? The government gets richer. Yipee


Its not a race issue. I just mentioned the white big wigs because that is a big reason why people are for player pay.

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That is semantics, it doesn't invalidate the point he was making.

 

Actually it does, esp when a rule is stupid. Its a stupid rule and I am not the only one who feels that way. 

 

Just like the NFL  and other sports leagues make changes to stupid rules.

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Student athletes in football and basketball are athlete first, student second. NCAA loves to pretend otherwise though while they make millions off them.

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Student athletes in football and basketball are athlete first, student second. NCAA loves to pretend otherwise though while they make millions off them.

Except most schools dont make millions from sports, and they already pay them with very valuable scholarship money.

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Actually it does, esp when a rule is stupid. Its a stupid rule and I am not the only one who feels that way.


Just like the NFL and other sports leagues make changes to stupid rules.

Changing the rule opens a giant can of worms

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Its about alot more than just taxes. I dont think letting a player make money outside of football would end NFP status, but lets say it did. How is that better for the sport as a whole? The government gets richer. Yipee


Its not a race issue. I just mentioned the white big wigs because that is a big reason why people are for player pay.

 

I will give a perfect example. Last year we watched Alabama (who had 1 loss) play in a championship game vs Notre dame. Now I know Alabama fans were happy and Bama dominated.....

 

But what's to say Ohio State wouldn't have been in the discussion or probably have played in the BCS game. They couldn't because players were caught under Tressel and they had a post season ban.

 

Silly things like this are stupid for college athletics.

 

 

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But it happens any way. At least this way when it is found out the Schools aren't going to be held responsible with vacated wins, titles, no post season, etc....

 

These things would be non issues now. And its not like that stuff is illegal its just against NCAA regulations. Get rid of that and college athletics will thrive more than it ever has.

 

I know Jay Bilas argues for kids being able to kid paid outside of school.  And bristles at the idea that you couldnt regulate some kid getting paid a million dollars to mow somebodys yard.  Although I dont see how you could regulate against T Boone Pickens from paying each member of OSU's recruiting class 100k to put their likeness on a billboard promoting T Boone Oil and Gas.  And I dont even know that you should regulate it.

 

If you just made an opening bidding war, then sure the schools with the richest boosters would probably get the best athletes.  But that doesnt really seem to be any different than what we have now. 

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I know Jay Bilas argues for kids being able to kid paid outside of school.  And bristles at the idea that you couldnt regulate some kid getting paid a million dollars to mow somebodys yard.  Although I dont see how you could regulate against T Boone Pickens from paying each member of OSU's recruiting class 100k to put their likeness on a billboard promoting T Boone Oil and Gas.  And I dont even know that you should regulate it.

 

If you just made an opening bidding war, then sure the schools with the richest boosters would probably get the best athletes.  But that doesnt really seem to be any different than what we have now. 

 

Exactly my point. And that to me is a much better approach than schools paying athletes and players being unionized

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I know Jay Bilas argues for kids being able to kid paid outside of school. And bristles at the idea that you couldnt regulate some kid getting paid a million dollars to mow somebodys yard. Although I dont see how you could regulate against T Boone Pickens from paying each member of OSU's recruiting class 100k to put their likeness on a billboard promoting T Boone Oil and Gas. And I dont even know that you should regulate it.


If you just made an opening bidding war, then sure the schools with the richest boosters would probably get the best athletes. But that doesnt really seem to be any different than what we have now.

The point is that it would make it worse. At least now they have to try to not get caught.


If they allowed this, then they should create a whole other league with only the biggest schools.


Bye bye Vanderbilt

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The point is that it would nake it worse. At least now they have to try to not get caught.

 

Ok, but you haven't said what about it would be worse?

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