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2024 - NFL Draft - Wish List


(01-15-2024, 06:08 PM)AnOldBrownie Wrote: 1st pick = best WR 
2nd pick = best interior offensive lineman (low center of gravity)

4th pick= an interior defensive tackle...at least 300lbs...also low center of gravity.


Then, I'd figure out a way to sign Fletcher Cox to a 1 year deal, and I bring in that RG from the Seattle Seahawks.


I wouldn’t necessarily hate this, according to how much help we bring in during FA. I want big, strong, nasty men in the trenches along the interior. I wouldn’t mind them making a run at Chris Jones in FA, even though that’s a long shot.


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Round 1- Quinyon Mitchell
Round 2- Frazier or trade up for JPJ
Round 3- Javon Baker
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(This post was last modified: 02-28-2024, 02:42 PM by ClemsonOrangeJaguar. Edited 2 times in total.)

I saw Jags had a formal interview with Clemson DT Ruke Orhorhoro. Could be a target in 2nd to 4th rounds depending on how he tests at the Combine. Former basketball guy he only started playing football his JR year in HS. He's a good athlete for a DT and is a dog. Took a big step his last two years with former NFL DL coach Nick Eason coming back to Clemson to develop him. Dealt with injuries and a loaded DT room at Clemson so he platooned snaps his first couple of years. Best football is ahead of him. Underrated ability - he gets his hands up at the LOS to knock down passes consistently - 9 PDs last 2 seasons.

Formal interviews don't mean much but just a guy to keep an eye on. I'm not sold he's an elite but he should be a quality starter in the NFL
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I like Ruke and I like Tyler Davis out of Clemson as well. Think those are low risk options at some point in the draft. I hope Gabe Hall out of Baylor is also on their radar.
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(02-28-2024, 02:55 PM)Caldrac Wrote: I like Ruke and I like Tyler Davis out of Clemson as well. Think those are low risk options at some point in the draft. I hope Gabe Hall out of Baylor is also on their radar.

Tyler Davis and Ruke are kind of opposite type players. Tyler Davis more football player than measurable guy, Ruke more a measurable guy than great player like Tyler Davis at the moment. Davis came in ready right away and started as a true FR. Hard to do at DT with how well Clemson recruits that position. Voted 4 time All ACC player by ACC coaches. Davis has dealt with injuries seemingly his whole career at Clemson outside of last season and simply doesn't have great measurables. However he's as tough as they come and simply makes plays as evidence by his 4 time all conference selections. Team Captain and consistently praised as one of hardest workers at Clemson by players and teammates.   

I would take Ruke based off size and the assumption he keeps getting better the more snaps he plays, though I would be happy with Davis as well. I'll have to look into the Baylor DT
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(02-28-2024, 04:15 PM)ClemsonOrangeJaguar Wrote:
(02-28-2024, 02:55 PM)Caldrac Wrote: I like Ruke and I like Tyler Davis out of Clemson as well. Think those are low risk options at some point in the draft. I hope Gabe Hall out of Baylor is also on their radar.

Tyler Davis and Ruke are kind of opposite type players. Tyler Davis more football player than measurable guy, Ruke more a measurable guy than great player like Tyler Davis at the moment. Davis came in ready right away and started as a true FR. Hard to do at DT with how well Clemson recruits that position. Voted 4 time All ACC player by ACC coaches. Davis has dealt with injuries seemingly his whole career at Clemson outside of last season and simply doesn't have great measurables. However he's as tough as they come and simply makes plays as evidence by his 4 time all conference selections. Team Captain and consistently praised as one of hardest workers at Clemson by players and teammates.   

I would take Ruke based off size and the assumption he keeps getting better the more snaps he plays, though I would be happy with Davis as well. I'll have to look into the Baylor DT

What do you think of Jordan Shipley and Jeremiah Trotter Jr. at the next level?
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Fautanu has become a bit underrated imo. I think he's the best LG in the draft and can play LT. If we did go that route he would be a day 1 starter and Doug could fix the revolving door he's at LG the last few years
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(02-28-2024, 05:06 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Fautanu has become a bit underrated imo.  I think he's the best LG in the draft and can play LT.  If we did go that route he would be a day 1 starter and Doug could fix the revolving door he's at LG the last few years

Drafttek has him falling all the way down to RD2 with the Vikings scooping him up with the 42nd overall pick. I found that surprising. Because he offers versatility. Same for Graham Barton slipping to RD2 right in front of him with Green Bay taking him with the 41st overall pick. They have him listed at Center though. Which is a little surprising. I like him more at G/T. 

A lot of this is going to change though and fast as soon as these guys start testing at the combine. Somebody's going to run a 40 time they shouldn't be able to run at their size. Somebody's going to manhandle 225 for 30 or more repetitions and somebody's going to have dancer's footwork with 330+ pounds to work with. 

This is the best time of the off season for me as a fan. Fortunes change for players and teams in an instant because somebody falls in love with the workout warrior instead of keeping their focus on the football player that was on film the whole time.
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(02-28-2024, 04:41 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(02-28-2024, 04:15 PM)ClemsonOrangeJaguar Wrote: Tyler Davis and Ruke are kind of opposite type players. Tyler Davis more football player than measurable guy, Ruke more a measurable guy than great player like Tyler Davis at the moment. Davis came in ready right away and started as a true FR. Hard to do at DT with how well Clemson recruits that position. Voted 4 time All ACC player by ACC coaches. Davis has dealt with injuries seemingly his whole career at Clemson outside of last season and simply doesn't have great measurables. However he's as tough as they come and simply makes plays as evidence by his 4 time all conference selections. Team Captain and consistently praised as one of hardest workers at Clemson by players and teammates.   

I would take Ruke based off size and the assumption he keeps getting better the more snaps he plays, though I would be happy with Davis as well. I'll have to look into the Baylor DT

What do you think of Jordan Shipley and Jeremiah Trotter Jr. at the next level?

I like Trotter a lot, I would take him in a heartbeat. As you would expect given his pedigree his instincts are top tier - as good as I've seen from a Clemson LB since Anthony Simmons (not to be confused with other 1st round LB Isaiah Simmons.) He's tough as hell, physical and is just seemingly always around the ball making plays. Hard tackler. What I don't see draft experts mentioning much that they should more is that he's an exceptional blitzer - 12 sacks over last two years. I would be interested to see his pressure numbers as I bet they are some of the best in the country last two seasons for a MLB. He is gonna disappoint at the Combine from a size and speed perspective and it does cap his ceiling. He started year slow as he dealt with a hamstring injury which caused him to miss all of Fall camp but came back on strong when healthy. I have a really hard time not seeing him as a good NFL linebacker because of the positive traits he does have (instincts, toughness, playmaker, blitzing, fundamentals) he is elite in.  

From what I've seen on Shipley watching him the last 3 years I'll say the best things he does are he runs really hard and has really nice acceleration hitting the hole. He's a threat out of the backfield and surprisingly has a nice hurdle move. Also has solid size. He's more of a slasher like Etienne where goes 100 miles per hour and gets from A to B really fast. I don't think he has great vision and while he runs really hard he doesn't break many tackles. He also needs to get more patient and set up his blockers better. Though to be fair he's played behind a terrible OL the last 3 years at Clemson. I think he'll surprise people with his 40 time and he should look good running routes and catching the ball this week. I bet he'll be in the NFL for awhile but I don't see enough to believe he's a NFL starter IMO 

From a Clemson perspective I'm banging the table for Nate Wiggins, Trotter, and Ruke. Tyler Davis, Xavier Thomas, and Shipley are nice players but I'm not sold on them like other 3. The player I would watch out for next cycle is LB Barrett Carter. I believe he'll be one of the best defenders to come out of Clemson over last decade based on what I've seen from him
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(02-28-2024, 05:24 PM)ClemsonOrangeJaguar Wrote:
(02-28-2024, 04:41 PM)Caldrac Wrote: What do you think of Jordan Shipley and Jeremiah Trotter Jr. at the next level?

I like Trotter a lot, I would take him in a heartbeat. As you would expect given his pedigree his instincts are top tier - as good as I've seen from a Clemson LB since Anthony Simmons (not to be confused with other 1st round LB Isaiah Simmons.) He's tough as hell, physical and is just seemingly always around the ball making plays. Hard tackler. What I don't see draft experts mentioning much that they should more is that he's an exceptional blitzer - 12 sacks over last two years. I would be interested to see his pressure numbers as I bet they are some of the best in the country last two seasons for a MLB. He is gonna disappoint at the Combine from a size and speed perspective and it does cap his ceiling. He started year slow as he dealt with a hamstring injury which caused him to miss all of Fall camp but came back on strong when healthy. I have a really hard time not seeing him as a good NFL linebacker because of the positive traits he does have (instincts, toughness, playmaker, blitzing, fundamentals) he is elite in.  

From what I've seen on Shipley watching him the last 3 years I'll say the best things he does are he runs really hard and has really nice acceleration hitting the hole. He's a threat out of the backfield and surprisingly has a nice hurdle move. Also has solid size. He's more of a slasher like Etienne where goes 100 miles per hour and gets from A to B really fast. I don't think he has great vision and while he runs really hard he doesn't break many tackles. He also needs to get more patient and set up his blockers better. Though to be fair he's played behind a terrible OL the last 3 years at Clemson. I think he'll surprise people with his 40 time and he should look good running routes and catching the ball this week. I bet he'll be in the NFL for awhile but I don't see enough to believe he's a NFL starter IMO 

From a Clemson perspective I'm banging the table for Nate Wiggins, Trotter, and Ruke. Tyler Davis, Xavier Thomas, and Shipley are nice players but I'm not sold on them like other 3. The player I would watch out for next cycle is LB Barrett Carter. I believe he'll be one of the best defenders to come out of Clemson over last decade based on what I've seen from him

I know you are very high on Wiggins and have seen him play a lot as a Clemson fan. His speed and athleticism definitely are impressive. I've seen that he is a huge trash talker, which isn't a problem for a cornerback if they can back it up. Has anything come up regarding character concerns? I just don't want a head case like Henderson or a "me first" guy like Ramsay. He could be a great pick if the intangibles check out. What are your observations on this?
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(02-28-2024, 07:50 PM)jaglou53 Wrote:
(02-28-2024, 05:24 PM)ClemsonOrangeJaguar Wrote: I like Trotter a lot, I would take him in a heartbeat. As you would expect given his pedigree his instincts are top tier - as good as I've seen from a Clemson LB since Anthony Simmons (not to be confused with other 1st round LB Isaiah Simmons.) He's tough as hell, physical and is just seemingly always around the ball making plays. Hard tackler. What I don't see draft experts mentioning much that they should more is that he's an exceptional blitzer - 12 sacks over last two years. I would be interested to see his pressure numbers as I bet they are some of the best in the country last two seasons for a MLB. He is gonna disappoint at the Combine from a size and speed perspective and it does cap his ceiling. He started year slow as he dealt with a hamstring injury which caused him to miss all of Fall camp but came back on strong when healthy. I have a really hard time not seeing him as a good NFL linebacker because of the positive traits he does have (instincts, toughness, playmaker, blitzing, fundamentals) he is elite in.  

From what I've seen on Shipley watching him the last 3 years I'll say the best things he does are he runs really hard and has really nice acceleration hitting the hole. He's a threat out of the backfield and surprisingly has a nice hurdle move. Also has solid size. He's more of a slasher like Etienne where goes 100 miles per hour and gets from A to B really fast. I don't think he has great vision and while he runs really hard he doesn't break many tackles. He also needs to get more patient and set up his blockers better. Though to be fair he's played behind a terrible OL the last 3 years at Clemson. I think he'll surprise people with his 40 time and he should look good running routes and catching the ball this week. I bet he'll be in the NFL for awhile but I don't see enough to believe he's a NFL starter IMO 

From a Clemson perspective I'm banging the table for Nate Wiggins, Trotter, and Ruke. Tyler Davis, Xavier Thomas, and Shipley are nice players but I'm not sold on them like other 3. The player I would watch out for next cycle is LB Barrett Carter. I believe he'll be one of the best defenders to come out of Clemson over last decade based on what I've seen from him

I know you are very high on Wiggins and have seen him play a lot as a Clemson fan. His speed and athleticism definitely are impressive. I've seen that he is a huge trash talker, which isn't a problem for a cornerback if they can back it up. Has anything come up regarding character concerns? I just don't want a head case like Henderson or a "me first" guy like Ramsay. He could be a great pick if the intangibles check out. What are your observations on this?

He self admittedly came in to Clemson immature. He has lost a couple starts due to missing classes. You would like to see the commitment in guys to finish out. Deandre Hopkins did the same when he knew he was going pro his JR season, and now he's finishing his degree a decade later online classes at Clemson. I would categorize his immaturity as being late to meetings/missing classes/film room based on what I've seen. You see guys coming into Clemson every year at with different levels of maturity and it's easy to forget they all come from different backgrounds in terms of support structure/work ethic. I don't think he's flamboyant, which is how I would categorize Ramsey and Deion Sanders. He's not a guy that will start drama on Twitter or in interviews trying to be the center of attention. He talks a lot of trash every play, to the point he's close to drawing flags if he's hyped up. That turns some people off but for me it's one of the reasons I think he'll succeed as he's tough, competitive and unafraid to mix it up. 

Dabo praised his maturity improvement and says he's a good hearted and respectful kid and said he bought in to full commitment after FR year which also why he improved as a player. Here's a quote from his SO year on it. 

“But he’s a great player and he’s just really matured, he’s gotten more focused, he’s gotten more detailed as the year has gone on and I’m really proud of him. He’s a very very talented young man, he’s a guy that early on just a little rough around the edges, a little immature when it comes to really doing what you need to do programmatically and he’s just come full circle, he really has,” Swinney explained. “The players love him, he’s a great teammate, he really loves to play, he loves football and I love that about him, it’s important to him but I love how he’s grown from a detail standpoint.”
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(02-28-2024, 08:52 PM)ClemsonOrangeJaguar Wrote:
(02-28-2024, 07:50 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: I know you are very high on Wiggins and have seen him play a lot as a Clemson fan. His speed and athleticism definitely are impressive. I've seen that he is a huge trash talker, which isn't a problem for a cornerback if they can back it up. Has anything come up regarding character concerns? I just don't want a head case like Henderson or a "me first" guy like Ramsay. He could be a great pick if the intangibles check out. What are your observations on this?

He self admittedly came in to Clemson immature. He has lost a couple starts due to missing classes. You would like to see the commitment in guys to finish out. Deandre Hopkins did the same when he knew he was going pro his JR season, and now he's finishing his degree a decade later online classes at Clemson. I would categorize his immaturity as being late to meetings/missing classes/film room based on what I've seen. You see guys coming into Clemson every year at with different levels of maturity and it's easy to forget they all come from different backgrounds in terms of support structure/work ethic. I don't think he's flamboyant, which is how I would categorize Ramsey and Deion Sanders. He's not a guy that will start drama on Twitter or in interviews trying to be the center of attention. He talks a lot of trash every play, to the point he's close to drawing flags if he's hyped up. That turns some people off but for me it's one of the reasons I think he'll succeed as he's tough, competitive and unafraid to mix it up. 

Dabo praised his maturity improvement and says he's a good hearted and respectful kid and said he bought in to full commitment after FR  year which also why he improved as a player. Here's a quote from his SO year on it. 

“But he’s a great player and he’s just really matured, he’s gotten more focused, he’s gotten more detailed as the year has gone on and I’m really proud of him. He’s a very very talented young man, he’s a guy that early on just a little rough around the edges, a little immature when it comes to really doing what you need to do programmatically and he’s just come full circle, he really has,” Swinney explained. “The players love him, he’s a great teammate, he really loves to play, he loves football and I love that about him, it’s important to him but I love how he’s grown from a detail standpoint.”

That is a good endorsement from Dabo. I don't care if all the Jaguars are Eagle Scouts; sometimes that can be a liability, The fact that he's a great teammate and loves football are what matters plus he has not had any serious off the field incidents. I'd be fine if he is selected by the Jaguars.
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If we want a true number 1 outside corner I think we have to go corner at 1. Mitchell or DeJean. I think you can get a number 1 WR in the 2nd like a Pearsall. If we really want Brian Thomas Jr., who im very high on, I think we need to get a corner in FA.
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1st...WR Brian Thomas Jr.
2nd...CB. No idea who
3rd... OLineman...anyone who can start in two seasons.

The DL needs to be addressed in free agency. Someone that can impact the defense NOW. Not two or three years from now. The Jags have the $$$.
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(03-11-2024, 12:36 PM)AnOldBrownie Wrote: 1st...WR  Brian Thomas Jr. 
2nd...CB.  No idea who
3rd...  OLineman...anyone who can start in two seasons.

The DL needs to be addressed in free agency.  Someone that can impact the defense NOW.  Not two or three years from now.  The Jags have the $$$.

Not sure corner will be a good value in the 2nd with some of the players that will be there.  If we want a true number 1 corner I think we have to take Mitchell or DeJean if one of them or there.  Hopefully we can get a corner in FA though
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Brian Thomas in the first
Ennis Rakestraw in the second
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With Lutz falling through, if we don’t pick up a kicker by the draft, we will probably be picking one or picking one in UDFA. I don’t really follow college football. Any good ones draft worthy?

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Isn't the magic man Riley Patterson already signed?
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