Young star QB? Let’s just draft more defensive players to help him out! Love it.

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Young star QB? Let’s just draft more defensive players to help him out! Love it.

We just signed Morese, extended, Eazra, and signed Davis.  Last year the first 3 draft picks were on offense.  There will be good value picks on offense in the 3rd or 4th and even later rounds.  If offense is at the top of our board we will take them.  You want to draft WR's in the first every year.  Last year you wanted to draft Quetin Johnston in the first who was probably the worst rookie WR.  The year before you wanted Jameson Williams who has been horrendous as well.  You can find good WRs outside of the first round if thats the route the team wasnts to go and this year is one of the deepest WRs classes in memory.  You go defense and make this an elite defense and give Trevor more opportunities

Not sure taking a WR in the first in one of the deepest WR classes is the right thing to do.  Ive wanted Rome since last year and would love to add him but it would likely take to much to get him at this point.  Im still high on Brian Thomas as well but it depends on what type of offense Doug wants to run this year.  Davis's yards per route is more than any WR in the league so do we want the best vertical threat in the draft on the oppostie side and just try to have the best big play offense in the league?  Drafting Thomas will depend on what type of offense we want to run and he might not even be there at 17.

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Kipers 2 round mock.  Would love this draft but with Newton and JPP falling into the 40s we have to make a move up for one of them

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/insid...ree-trades

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1.⁠⁠Chicago Bears (via CAR) - Caleb Williams, QB, USC

⁠⁠2.Washington Commanders - Jayden Daniels, QB, LSU

3.⁠⁠New England Patriots - Drake Maye, QB, North Carolina

4.⁠⁠Arizona Cardinals - Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State

⁠⁠5.Minnesota Vikings (via LAC)- JJ McCarthy, QB, Michigan

6.⁠⁠New York Giants - Malik Nabers, WR, LSU

7.⁠⁠Tennessee Titans - Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame

⁠⁠8.Atlanta Falcons - Dallas Turner, OLB, Alabama

9.⁠⁠Chicago Bears - Rome Odunze, WR, Washington

10.⁠⁠New York Jets - Brock Bowers, TE, Georigia

11.⁠⁠Los Angeles Chargers - JC Latham, OT, Alabama

⁠⁠12.Denver Broncos - Quinyon Mitchell, CB, Toledo

⁠⁠13.Las Vegas Raiders - Tailese Fuaga, OT, Oregon State

⁠⁠14.New Orleans Saints - Olu Fashanu, OT, Penn State

⁠⁠15.Indianapolis Colts - Terrion Arnold, CB, Alabama

⁠⁠16.Seattle Seahawks - Troy Fautanu, G, Washington

⁠⁠17.Jacksonville Jaguars - Cooper DeJean, CB, Iowa

⁠⁠18.Cincinnati Bengals - Byron Murphy II, DT, Texas

⁠⁠19.Los Angeles Rams - Laiatu Latu, OLB, UCLA

⁠⁠20.Pittsburgh Steelers - Graham Barton, G/C, Duke

⁠⁠21.Miami Dolphins - Jared Verse, DE, Florida State

⁠⁠22.Philadelphia Eagles - Nate Wiggins, CB, Clemson

⁠⁠23.Los Angeles Chargers (via MIN through HOU and CLE) - Xavier Worthy, WR, Texas

⁠⁠24.Dallas Cowboys - Tyler Guyton, OT, Oklahoma

⁠⁠25.Green Bay Packers - Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia

⁠⁠26.Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Chop Robinson, OLB, Penn State

⁠⁠27.Arizona Cardinals (via HOU) - Darius Robinson, OLB, Missouri

⁠⁠28.Buffalo Bills - Brian Thomas, WR, LSU

⁠⁠29.Detroit Lions - AD Mitchell, WR, Yexas

⁠⁠30.Baltimore Ravens - Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB, Alabama

⁠⁠31.San Francisco 49ers- Roger Rosengarten, OT, Washington

⁠⁠32.Kansas City Chiefs- Xavier Legette, WR, South Carolina

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33.New York Giants (via CAR) - Bo Nix, QB, Oregon

⁠⁠34.New England Patriots - Keon Coleman, WR, Florida State

⁠⁠35.Arizona Cardinals - TJ Tampa, CB, Iowa State

⁠⁠36.Washington Commanders- Jordan Morgan, OT, Arizona

37.Los Angeles Rams (via LAC) - Michael Penix Jr., QB, Washington

38.Tennessee Titans - Ricky Pearsall, WR, Florida

39.Carolina Panthers (via NYG) - Ladd McConkey WR, Georgia

⁠⁠40.Washington Commanders (via CHI) - Max Melton, CB, Rutgers

41.Green Bay Packers (via NYJ) - Edgerrin Cooper, LB, Texas A&M

42.Houston Texans (via MIN) - Johnny Newton, DT, Illinois

⁠⁠43.Atlanta Falcons - Kamari Lassiter, CB, Georgia

⁠⁠44.Las Vegas Raiders - Ennis Rakestraw Jr., CB, Missouri

⁠⁠45.New Orleans Saints (via DEN) - Malachi Corley, WR, Western Kentucky

⁠⁠46.Indianapolis Colts - Troy Franklin, WR, Oregon

47.Carolina Panthers (via NYG and SEA) - Jackson Powers-Johnson, C/G, Oregon

⁠⁠48.Jacksonville Jaguars - Kris Jenkins, DT, Michigan

49.⁠⁠Cincinnati Bengals - Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan

50.Philadelphia Eagles - Patrick Paul, OT, Houston

⁠⁠51.Pittsburgh Steelers - Jalen McMillan, WR, Washington

52.⁠⁠Los Angeles Chargers (via LAR) - Ruke Orhorhoro, DT, Clemson

53.⁠⁠Philadelphia Eagles - Ja'Lynn Polk, WR, Washington

⁠⁠54.Cleveland Browns - Braden Fiske, DT, Florida State

55.Miami Dolphins - Christian Haynes, G, UConn

⁠⁠56.Dallas Cowboys- Jonathon Brooks, RB, Texas

⁠⁠57.Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Zach Frazier, C/G, West Virginia

⁠⁠58.Green Bay Packers - Javon Bullard, S, Georgia

⁠⁠59.Houston Texans - Mike Sainristil, CB, Michigan

60.Buffalo Bills - Cole Bishop, S, Utah

61.Detroit Lions - Adisa Isaac, DE, Penn State

62.Baltimore Ravens - Cooper Beebe, G, Kansas State

63.San Francisco 49ers- Dru Phillips, CB, Kentucky

⁠⁠64.Kansas City Chiefs- Kingsley Suamataia, OT, BYU

Yea, if the draft went like this they'd have to attempt to move up for Newton or JPJ. Newton's workout today may move him back into the first round, however. Not sure if anyone else is worth moving up for with the possible exception of Ennis Rakestraw if they don't go corner in round 1.

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Kipers 2 round mock.  Would love this draft but with Newton and JPP falling into the 40s we have to make a move up for one of them

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/insid...ree-trades

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1.⁠⁠Chicago Bears (via CAR) - Caleb Williams, QB, USC

⁠⁠2.Washington Commanders - Jayden Daniels, QB, LSU

3.⁠⁠New England Patriots - Drake Maye, QB, North Carolina

4.⁠⁠Arizona Cardinals - Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State

⁠⁠5.Minnesota Vikings (via LAC)- JJ McCarthy, QB, Michigan

6.⁠⁠New York Giants - Malik Nabers, WR, LSU

7.⁠⁠Tennessee Titans - Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame

⁠⁠8.Atlanta Falcons - Dallas Turner, OLB, Alabama

9.⁠⁠Chicago Bears - Rome Odunze, WR, Washington

10.⁠⁠New York Jets - Brock Bowers, TE, Georigia

11.⁠⁠Los Angeles Chargers - JC Latham, OT, Alabama

⁠⁠12.Denver Broncos - Quinyon Mitchell, CB, Toledo

⁠⁠13.Las Vegas Raiders - Tailese Fuaga, OT, Oregon State

⁠⁠14.New Orleans Saints - Olu Fashanu, OT, Penn State

⁠⁠15.Indianapolis Colts - Terrion Arnold, CB, Alabama

⁠⁠16.Seattle Seahawks - Troy Fautanu, G, Washington

⁠⁠17.Jacksonville Jaguars - Cooper DeJean, CB, Iowa

⁠⁠18.Cincinnati Bengals - Byron Murphy II, DT, Texas

⁠⁠19.Los Angeles Rams - Laiatu Latu, OLB, UCLA

⁠⁠20.Pittsburgh Steelers - Graham Barton, G/C, Duke

⁠⁠21.Miami Dolphins - Jared Verse, DE, Florida State

⁠⁠22.Philadelphia Eagles - Nate Wiggins, CB, Clemson

⁠⁠23.Los Angeles Chargers (via MIN through HOU and CLE) - Xavier Worthy, WR, Texas

⁠⁠24.Dallas Cowboys - Tyler Guyton, OT, Oklahoma

⁠⁠25.Green Bay Packers - Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia

⁠⁠26.Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Chop Robinson, OLB, Penn State

⁠⁠27.Arizona Cardinals (via HOU) - Darius Robinson, OLB, Missouri

⁠⁠28.Buffalo Bills - Brian Thomas, WR, LSU

⁠⁠29.Detroit Lions - AD Mitchell, WR, Yexas

⁠⁠30.Baltimore Ravens - Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB, Alabama

⁠⁠31.San Francisco 49ers- Roger Rosengarten, OT, Washington

⁠⁠32.Kansas City Chiefs- Xavier Legette, WR, South Carolina

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33.New York Giants (via CAR) - Bo Nix, QB, Oregon

⁠⁠34.New England Patriots - Keon Coleman, WR, Florida State

⁠⁠35.Arizona Cardinals - TJ Tampa, CB, Iowa State

⁠⁠36.Washington Commanders- Jordan Morgan, OT, Arizona

37.Los Angeles Rams (via LAC) - Michael Penix Jr., QB, Washington

38.Tennessee Titans - Ricky Pearsall, WR, Florida

39.Carolina Panthers (via NYG) - Ladd McConkey WR, Georgia

⁠⁠40.Washington Commanders (via CHI) - Max Melton, CB, Rutgers

41.Green Bay Packers (via NYJ) - Edgerrin Cooper, LB, Texas A&M

42.Houston Texans (via MIN) - Johnny Newton, DT, Illinois

⁠⁠43.Atlanta Falcons - Kamari Lassiter, CB, Georgia

⁠⁠44.Las Vegas Raiders - Ennis Rakestraw Jr., CB, Missouri

⁠⁠45.New Orleans Saints (via DEN) - Malachi Corley, WR, Western Kentucky

⁠⁠46.Indianapolis Colts - Troy Franklin, WR, Oregon

47.Carolina Panthers (via NYG and SEA) - Jackson Powers-Johnson, C/G, Oregon

⁠⁠48.Jacksonville Jaguars - Kris Jenkins, DT, Michigan

49.⁠⁠Cincinnati Bengals - Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan

50.Philadelphia Eagles - Patrick Paul, OT, Houston

⁠⁠51.Pittsburgh Steelers - Jalen McMillan, WR, Washington

52.⁠⁠Los Angeles Chargers (via LAR) - Ruke Orhorhoro, DT, Clemson

53.⁠⁠Philadelphia Eagles - Ja'Lynn Polk, WR, Washington

⁠⁠54.Cleveland Browns - Braden Fiske, DT, Florida State

55.Miami Dolphins - Christian Haynes, G, UConn

⁠⁠56.Dallas Cowboys- Jonathon Brooks, RB, Texas

⁠⁠57.Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Zach Frazier, C/G, West Virginia

⁠⁠58.Green Bay Packers - Javon Bullard, S, Georgia

⁠⁠59.Houston Texans - Mike Sainristil, CB, Michigan

60.Buffalo Bills - Cole Bishop, S, Utah

61.Detroit Lions - Adisa Isaac, DE, Penn State

62.Baltimore Ravens - Cooper Beebe, G, Kansas State

63.San Francisco 49ers- Dru Phillips, CB, Kentucky

⁠⁠64.Kansas City Chiefs- Kingsley Suamataia, OT, BYU

Yea, if the draft went like this they'd have to attempt to move up for Newton or JPJ. Newton's workout today may move him back into the first round, however. Not sure if anyone else is worth moving up for with the possible exception of Ennis Rakestraw if they don't go corner in round 1.

Rakestraw?  Hes a slower corner.  If this is acurate im not a fan.

Football Insights ? on X: "2024 Cornerback Class in Man vs Zone https://t.co/j8g8egzKqe" / X (twitter.com)

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Kyree Jackson is a corner id love to add. 6'4" corner

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https://twitter.com/fball_insights/statu...2653575242

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https://twitter.com/fball_insights/statu...0790962221

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I just hope we dont draft Morgan or Jones. Really any of the top 5 tackles on that list

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https://twitter.com/fball_insights/statu...6884904112

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We havent drafted an interior olineman in the first 2 rounds in 24 years. Damn

https://twitter.com/SamHoppen/status/177...60/photo/1

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https://twitter.com/fball_insights/statu...4396385527

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Yea, if the draft went like this they'd have to attempt to move up for Newton or JPJ. Newton's workout today may move him back into the first round, however. Not sure if anyone else is worth moving up for with the possible exception of Ennis Rakestraw if they don't go corner in round 1.

Rakestraw?  Hes a slower corner.  If this is acurate im not a fan.

Football Insights ? on X: "2024 Cornerback Class in Man vs Zone https://t.co/j8g8egzKqe" / X (twitter.com)

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Kyree Jackson is a corner id love to add.  6'4" corner

He would be appealing to Baalke due to his press coverage skills. It wouldn't totally shock me if the Jaguars take him or McKinstry in round 1.

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Rakestraw?  Hes a slower corner.  If this is acurate im not a fan.

Football Insights ? on X: "2024 Cornerback Class in Man vs Zone https://t.co/j8g8egzKqe" / X (twitter.com)

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Kyree Jackson is a corner id love to add.  6'4" corner

He would be appealing to Baalke due to his press coverage skills. It wouldn't totally shock me if the Jaguars take him or McKinstry in round 1.

Id rather McKinstry than Arnold. For some reason McKinstry is one of the more underrated players in this draft imo

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https://twitter.com/fball_insights/statu...6084804073

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McKinstry was starting at Alabama as a freshman

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He would be appealing to Baalke due to his press coverage skills. It wouldn't totally shock me if the Jaguars take him or McKinstry in round 1.

Id rather McKinstry than Arnold.  For some reason McKinstry is one of the more underrated players in this draft imo

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https://twitter.com/fball_insights/statu...6084804073

Nice graph. A lot of players pretty close. Guess it depends on what the upside is of these guys with coaching.  Also, the level of player they were covering.....if the receiver level was 10% less than someone close and the difference is less than 10% are they equal?

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

I just get more and more of a feeling the Jags will be trading back, or least trying really hard to do so.

Problem is I could see a few teams in the teens doing that, so the return may not be that great.

Also hearing more and more draftniks and talking heads saying that day 3 picks will be harder than usual to find starters and immediate production guys across the board.

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Kipers 2 round mock.  Would love this draft but with Newton and JPP falling into the 40s we have to make a move up for one of them

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/insid...ree-trades

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⁠⁠17.Jacksonville Jaguars - Cooper DeJean, CB, Iowa

⁠⁠⁠⁠48.Jacksonville Jaguars - Kris Jenkins, DT, Michigan

I go Murphy or Barton in the first, then either Beebe/Haynes or Jenkins/Ruke in the second.

Honestly first preference is to trade back at 17 regardless, gimme some more ammo

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I like it but then I remember Trevor averaged the 2nd least amount of time to throw in the NFL and Travis Etienne averaged less than 4 yards per carry. Would be a complete failure to not address OL with a high end pick if not both.

The biggest reason for this was we had the worst starting center in the league and arguably the worst LG.  With a heathy Ezra and a top half of the league center it should be like night and day as long as Cleveland gets back to his play before the injury.

Our C and RG are both in their tenth seasons. We are a hair's breadth away from a repeat of last year's turnstile line.

Putting a lot of hope in father time forgetting how everything works.

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Young star QB? Let’s just draft more defensive players to help him out! Love it.

On the plus side, lots of threes and out will give the D time to rack up stats

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Kipers 2 round mock.  Would love this draft but with Newton and JPP falling into the 40s we have to make a move up for one of them

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/insid...ree-trades

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⁠⁠17.Jacksonville Jaguars - Cooper DeJean, CB, Iowa

⁠⁠⁠⁠48.Jacksonville Jaguars - Kris Jenkins, DT, Michigan

I go Murphy or Barton in the first, then either Beebe/Haynes or Jenkins/Ruke in the second.

Honestly first preference is to trade back at 17 regardless, gimme some more ammo

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The biggest reason for this was we had the worst starting center in the league and arguably the worst LG.  With a heathy Ezra and a top half of the league center it should be like night and day as long as Cleveland gets back to his play before the injury.

Our C and RG are both in their tenth seasons. We are a hair's breadth away from a repeat of last year's turnstile line.

Putting a lot of hope in father time forgetting how everything works.

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Young star QB? Let’s just draft more defensive players to help him out! Love it.

On the plus side, lots of threes and out will give the D time to rack up stats

I agree as far as depth.  But I'm saying if our oline is healthy it should be an average oline at the very least.  The chances are low though that our whole interior oline stays healthy.  Scherff is good in pass pro he just isn't a very good run blocker anymore.  I'd be happy with Fuaga in the first and Beebe in the 2nd honestly.  Our oline could be one of the best in the league with great depth.  I don't think that happens but if the right tackle falls I think OT is still on the table.  If Fuaga is there and Mitchell and Bowers are gone I could see that being the pick

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I like it but then I remember Trevor averaged the 2nd least amount of time to throw in the NFL and Travis Etienne averaged less than 4 yards per carry. Would be a complete failure to not address OL with a high end pick if not both.

The biggest reason for this was we had the worst starting center in the league and arguably the worst LG.  With a heathy Ezra and a top half of the league center it should be like night and day as long as Cleveland gets back to his play before the injury.

I hope so man. I would still love a high end pick, even if he doesn't start day 1. Protecting Trevor and having a run game too important to not invest heavily

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Air Force Safety Trey Taylor is who I want in the 6th. Low risk High reward pick

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Check this out starting at 8:00. BB giving the scoop on top 30 visits etc. Just because we dont bring a guy in doesnt mean we arent interested. Ill be watching them on draft day. Check out what BB says on WRs drafted in the first round as well at 19:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbbCAtFyO1g

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Check this out starting at 8:00.  BB giving the scoop on top 30 visits etc.  Just because we dont bring a guy in doesnt mean we arent interested.  Ill be watching them on draft day.  Check out what BB says on WRs drafted in the first round as well at 19:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbbCAtFyO1g

Because he was such a great drafter...

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Check this out starting at 8:00.  BB giving the scoop on top 30 visits etc.  Just because we dont bring a guy in doesnt mean we arent interested.  Ill be watching them on draft day.  Check out what BB says on WRs drafted in the first round as well at 19:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbbCAtFyO1g

Because he was such a great drafter...

He was in the league almost 50 years.  He can look back and knows what works and what doesn't.  He knows how teams operate pre draft. You would be an idiot to think he doesn't know what he's talking about.  When you are picking at the bottom of the draft for 20+ years it's a little different.  He also drafted the GOAT and built 6 SB winning rosters.  I'd say he did well enough at the bottom of those drafts.

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Because he was such a great drafter...

He was in the league almost 50 years.  He can look back and knows what works and what doesn't.  He knows how teams operate pre draft.  You would be an idiot to think he doesn't know what he's talking about.  When you are picking at the bottom of the draft for 20+ years it's a little different.  He also drafted the GOAT and built 6 SB winning rosters.  I'd say he did well enough at the bottom of those drafts.

using a lot of present tense here when the preterite is more appropriate.

Go back and look at that '99 darft, it was a stinker. He got so very lucky that Brady was a whole lot more than anyone expected.
I'll grant that he is a fabulous student of the game and strategist, but rarely was he winning in the darft. Having QB set in stone saved them a lot of desperation and gave them leverage to take advantage of less disciplined teams on darft day, where they amassed volumes of picks.

Compared to a guy like Ozzie Newsome, Belichick wasn't anything special when it came to evaluating talent.

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He was in the league almost 50 years.  He can look back and knows what works and what doesn't.  He knows how teams operate pre draft.  You would be an idiot to think he doesn't know what he's talking about.  When you are picking at the bottom of the draft for 20+ years it's a little different.  He also drafted the GOAT and built 6 SB winning rosters.  I'd say he did well enough at the bottom of those drafts.

using a lot of present tense here when the preterite is more appropriate.

Go back and look at that '99 darft, it was a stinker. He got so very lucky that Brady was a whole lot more than anyone expected.
I'll grant that he is a fabulous student of the game and strategist, but rarely was he winning in the darft. Having QB set in stone saved them a lot of desperation and gave them leverage to take advantage of less disciplined teams on darft day, where they amassed volumes of picks.

Compared to a guy like Ozzie Newsome, Belichick wasn't anything special when it came to evaluating talent.

Who drafted Brady?  Those SB teams had a ton of talent with Brady as well.  BB has 4 more rings than Newsome and he was also the coach on top of filling the GM roll.  Like I said, BB was always picking at the back of every round so it makes it much harder and that much more impressive what he has done in his career.   Regardless how you feel about how good of a drafter he was he knows how teams operate pre draft, that's the point.  He was stating facts about WRs drafted in the first, he wasn't talking about his drafts he was talking about the whole league.  Lots of insight from him in how teams think pre draft.   He wasn't just talking about how he operates he was talking around the league, if you watched the video you would understand that.

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