Keep in mind, that 47 TFL was over a 3 year career-with the last one being a down year-one in which he allegedly did no work.

 

To put this in perspective, check out Alualu's numbers over his four year college career in an inferior conference-based upon most here.

 

  http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/play...alu-1.html

24 career sacks, 47 tfl, and 9 forced fumbles, pretty impressive for a guy who doesn't care about his team and takes plays off. 

 

Give me Clowney with one leg over Alualu any day of the week. 

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Clowney already makes your defense that much better just being on the field. 

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Talk is cheap. Actions, or in this case lack of actions, speak louder than words.

 

Clowney was getting this criticism during the season and never responded on the field. I honestly don't think he has the mental make up to live up to his potential.

 

It seems like we have been burnt too many times by using our first rd. picks on players with all the physical tools but lacking the mental make up to succeed.

 

I think it will take a slide in the draft for him to be successful. He needs a chip on his shoulder. I don't think his attitude or work ethic will ever change if people keep handing him things on a silver platter which drafting him high would basically be doing.

 

I mean, why would he change? He will have basically already gotten what he wanted without putting in the effort. No need to put in any effort after that.

He hasn't responded yet.  How he plays this season is the true response to last season.  It's not like he became someone else overnight.  If you look at his career on the whole, it resembles more production than non-production.

 

Every single team he played did everything possible to keep away from him.  Few players are respected that highly.  Those are the special players you want on your side of the ball, and not the other.

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Keep in mind, that 47 TFL was over a 3 year career-with the last one being a down year-one in which he allegedly did no work.


To put this in perspective, check out Alualu's numbers over his four year college career in an inferior conference-based upon most here.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/tyson-alualu-1.html'>http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/tyson-alualu-1.html</a>

I think Clowney is another victim of media hype

He is billed as a once in a generation prospect and to be that you have to be better than alot of very good players so when he falls short people go mental


i am not concerned by his down year but his attitude concerns me


I think it is a cultural difference but from what he says in interviews and even the way he talks I find him nonchalant


Even that interview he knows he has to be hard on me suggests he needs to be pushed to succeed


Different players tick in different ways but watching Clowney I don't see the inner fire or happiness that I see watching say cyprian


Watching cyprian bounce round the field like all his dreams had come true was a delight and epitomised what I love about bradleys locker room ethos


I don't see that in Clowney but if Bradley does and believes he can unlock it we would be mad to pass on him at 3

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I suppose averaging 8 sacks a year over 3 years, including a 13 sack season his sophomore year is the same as 1 play vs. Michigan.

 

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First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi

 

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Clowney already makes your defense that much better just being on the field. 

 

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First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi

 

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I guess...but then what about the 9 forced fumbles?!?

 

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/play...ney-1.html

 

 

And 47 TFL.

 

 

Keep in mind, that 47 TFL was over a 3 year career-with the last one being a down year-one in which he allegedly did no work.

 

To put this in perspective, check out Alualu's numbers over his four year college career in an inferior conference-based upon most here.

 

  http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/play...alu-1.html

 

 

See, you guys are hung up on what I like to call "production over an entire scope of work". That doesn't really work for me as we all know that it's really really important to denigrate any and every athlete until they are viewed as having the moral fiber and emotional makeup of a serial killer in a clown suit.

 

I need to be able to put a guy down and your method simply does not accomplish that. Now, where's that one photo of him laughing again? I need to use that to finish making the connection between him and Manuel Noriega.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

See, you guys are hung up on what I like to call "production over an entire scope of work". That doesn't really work for me as we all know that it's really really important to denigrate any and every athlete until they are viewed as having the moral fiber and emotional makeup of a serial killer in a clown suit.

 

I need to be able to put a guy down and your method simply does not accomplish that. Now, where's that one photo of him laughing again? I need to use that to finish making the connection between him and Manuel Noriega.

 

Because denigrating an athlete to the point of equating them to a regularly dressed serial killer just isn't bad enough.

 

:woot:

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Because denigrating an athlete to the point of equating them to a regularly dressed serial killer just isn't bad enough.

 

:woot:

 

Oh God no. Go hard or go home.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

Clowney's not trying enough.


I told you he was going to sink. Once the REAL pro scouts got interested, Clowney was exposed. Top ten? Maybe. All-time? Don't make me laugh.


First NFL check and it's over. Hip flexors galore. Derrick Harvey 2.0


Cheetahs can't go all out for very long. The under-sized heart prevents them. They just quit running, lay down in the grass, and pine away about the missed gazelle.


Offensive linemen in the NFL are elephants. Big and powerful. Clowney will be a squish between their toes.

Drugs are a terrible thing.....

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Jungle Cat, is your online gimmick supposed to be someone with low blood sugar?

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FWIW...

 

Jeff Fisher on Clowney

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...ys-dropoff

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I'd prefer Mack over any defensive player in the draft. Versatility is a big plus with me. 

 

If the Jags trade down and get Mack, I will have no problem with it. 

 

If they take Mack at 3 or ahead of Clowney. They are [BLEEP]. 

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If the Jags trade down and get Mack, I will have no problem with it. 

 

If they take Mack at 3 or ahead of Clowney. They are [BLEEP]. 

 

"[BLEEP]"

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If the Jags trade down and get Mack, I will have no problem with it. 

 

If they take Mack at 3 or ahead of Clowney. They are [BLEEP]. 

 

I'd take Clowney over Mack 10 out of 10 times.

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I'd take Clowney over Mack 10 out of 10 times.

 

As would I. 

 

Seems like theres a lot of people on here who wouldn't, tho. 

 

I hope hope HOPE Caldwell isn't one of them. 

 

 

I don't mind trading down, stockpiling more picks and then selecting Mack. But to sit at 3, and take Mack over Clowney and/ or Bridgewater, I think Caldwell would need his head examined. 

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I'd take Clowney over Mack 10 out of 10 times.

 

I don't think that many people are saying otherwise.

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I don't think that many people are saying otherwise.

 

well there was just a thread made stating that Mack may be as good as Clowney (lol cant even type that with laughing)....so....

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well there was just a thread made stating that Mack may be as good as Clowney (lol cant even type that with laughing)....so....

 

Started by one person. Most of the comments were how ridiculous your Khalil Mack/Larry Hart comparison was.

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As would I. 

 

Seems like theres a lot of people on here who wouldn't, tho. 

 

I hope hope HOPE Caldwell isn't one of them. 

 

 

I don't mind trading down, stockpiling more picks and then selecting Mack. But to sit at 3, and take Mack over Clowney and/ or Bridgewater, I think Caldwell would need his head examined. 

 

I agree with this.

 

I think Mack's success will depend upon how teams will use him

 

I think if teams use him as an all around LB, they'll get a good player.  My concerns about him dropping in coverage have been alleviated a bit.  One of the things that impresses me about him is he reminds me of Carl Banks in the way he holds up at the point of attack.  You don't see him on the ground too much.

 

What kind of disappoints me about him is, as a pass rusher, he doesn't appear to have a wide array of moves.  In his big game against Ohio State, he shows a very good initial hand jolt that gets into the pads of blockers and can get them off balance.  But that seems to be the limit of his repertoire. I'd like to see him string that initial jolt with some spin moves or an inside move.  While I do not question his effort, he seems to glide along.  He doesn't seem to "flash" across the screen.

 

Now the good news for him and any team that gets him is that he has seemingly mastered that hand punch and has the potential to develop counter moves and disengage.  If he does that, he'll be a very productive pass rusher.

 

If not, he'll be okay.

 

Clowney, OTOH, already has a wide array of pass rush moves, and you see flashes even when he doesn't get to the QB.

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