The debate lies on whether you see the flaws in his game as his own (traits like inaccuracy, crumbling under spotlight, or foolish throws) or if you see the flaws as circumstance (playcalls, blocking, drops/routes).

I think the majority here see his potential individually. He has the traits to be a franchise guy, even if he hasn't cemented his spot in the top-X QBs around the league. The question is truly whether he'll improve as circumstances improve. If we wait until he proves it, the cap number will skyrocket even more.

The GM is on the hook for the pick, as well as the work he's done to maximize Trevor's potential. At this stage, whether he negotiates the new deal today or a year from today, TB will stay or go based on whether the work he's done to make this team what it is proves successful or not. It's in his (and the team's) best interest to do the deal sooner than later.

Crumbling under spotlight?  Where the hell did you come up with that idea?

That one makes no sense.

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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bu...0656628319

12:20 talks about Trevor.

Ruiz makes a good point. Take out the QB and just look at the roster around the QBs. Would you have expected that roster to be 9-8? If Carr was behind center, is that Jags team going 9-8? They're not.

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Crumbling under spotlight?  Where the hell did you come up with that idea?

That one makes no sense.

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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bu...0656628319

12:20 talks about Trevor.

Ruiz makes a good point. Take out the QB and just look at the roster around the QBs. Would you have expected that roster to be 9-8? If Carr was behind center, is that Jags team going 9-8? They're not.

Even though the guys on that podcast were pretty kind when talking about Trevor, I think what a lot of people don't seem to understand, especially people like the ones in that podcast who are looking at things from the 30,000 foot view, is that when a team cannot run the ball effectively for short yardage, like on 3rd and 2, or when it's goal to go, which compresses the field, that is a tremendous handicap for an offense and a quarterback.  A team has to at least have the OPTION of pounding the ball into the end zone.  Without that, it's all on the QB to get a TD by throwing it.  And that makes it really hard.

Last year we had 120 plays where we ran the ball for zero or minus yardage.  I'm sure all of us can recollect many times when the ball was handed to Travis Etienne, and he was hit 2 yards in the backfield.  MANY times.  2nd and 12 or 3rd and 12 has a MAJOR impact on the effectiveness of your passing game.  Not to mention the lack of a running threat when it's 3rd and goal from the 2 yard line.  

Trevor is not the problem here.

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Lol, yeah, it will be just awful for this team to be "stuck" playing for the division and getting playoff home games for the next decade. Just terrible. He's 24, played through literal hell in the last couple seasons and still has the team in position to win long term. People are fixated on the last six games instead of the tremendous improvement made in 2 seasons. Whatever it takes to hold on to this guy needs to be done, it's really hard to get one and I don't feel like waiting another decade for the next one to come around.

The debate lies on whether you see the flaws in his game as his own (traits like inaccuracy, crumbling under spotlight, or foolish throws) or if you see the flaws as circumstance (playcalls, blocking, drops/routes).

I think the majority here see his potential individually. He has the traits to be a franchise guy, even if he hasn't cemented his spot in the top-X QBs around the league. The question is truly whether he'll improve as circumstances improve. If we wait until he proves it, the cap number will skyrocket even more.

The GM is on the hook for the pick, as well as the work he's done to maximize Trevor's potential. At this stage, whether he negotiates the new deal today or a year from today, TB will stay or go based on whether the work he's done to make this team what it is proves successful or not. It's in his (and the team's) best interest to do the deal sooner than later.

I think the answer to the above statement is 'both'.  I think anyone who believes that Trevor is a finished product has become way too enamored.  Adding in the lost fumbles in 2023, puts him at 21 TDs - to 21 Turnovers (14 Ints + 7 lost fumbles,) there's no way you can consistently win in this league with that ratio.  On the other-hand, having a bottom of the league Oline isn't doing him any favors while he tries to improve his game.

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Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

That one makes no sense.

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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bu...0656628319

12:20 talks about Trevor.

Ruiz makes a good point. Take out the QB and just look at the roster around the QBs. Would you have expected that roster to be 9-8? If Carr was behind center, is that Jags team going 9-8? They're not.

Even though the guys on that podcast were pretty kind when talking about Trevor, I think what a lot of people don't seem to understand, especially people like the ones in that podcast who are looking at things from the 30,000 foot view, is that when a team cannot run the ball effectively for short yardage, like on 3rd and 2, or when it's goal to go, which compresses the field, that is a tremendous handicap for an offense and a quarterback.  A team has to at least have the OPTION of pounding the ball into the end zone.  Without that, it's all on the QB to get a TD by throwing it.  And that makes it really hard.

Last year we had 120 plays where we ran the ball for zero or minus yardage.  I'm sure all of us can recollect many times when the ball was handed to Travis Etienne, and he was hit 2 yards in the backfield.  MANY times.  2nd and 12 or 3rd and 12 has a MAJOR impact on the effectiveness of your passing game.  Not to mention the lack of a running threat when it's 3rd and goal from the 2 yard line.  

Trevor is not the problem here.

It's been the bane of this team's existence since Lawrence set foot here. It's frustrating. Most of us have been fans since the beginning, or, were fortunate enough to witness the great running games we had here throughout the years between Fred Taylor, James Stewart, Stacy Mack, Maurice Jones-Drew, etc. 

Even the 2017 team had it's moments. There was a bit of a lull for awhile but between Fournette, Yeldon and Grant, there felt like there was always the ability to pick-up chump change on the ground when and if needed. To see it flatline the way it has? It's been a real culture shock for me. 

Even more frustrating when you consider that, Lawrence easily has the best overall arm talent and football IQ with mobility that have not seen in years here. At least since Brunell. Garrard had some good qualities to him. As did Leftwich. But, they all lacked something here and there that held the team back. Same for Bortles. 

It's just a shame we can't get it right and come together with everything in the right place at the right time anymore. I hope it's this year or next year. We'll see. Even today's best teams can still run it when they absolutely need to or have to. 49ers, Eagles, Chiefs, Ravens, etc. 

Just need to find that balance again to keep a defense honest and Lawrence will finally be able to unleash his full potential out there.

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According to PFF grading from week 9 to the end of 22 only Burrow and Mahomes had a better grade. From Week 1 in 23 to week 13 when he was injured he had a grade in the top 5. That's 21+ games of top 5 play according to PFFs grading system. I get their system isn't flawless but even if you account for a margin of error wouldn't that make it reasonable to say when health Lawrence is a top 10 QB?

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Even though the guys on that podcast were pretty kind when talking about Trevor, I think what a lot of people don't seem to understand, especially people like the ones in that podcast who are looking at things from the 30,000 foot view, is that when a team cannot run the ball effectively for short yardage, like on 3rd and 2, or when it's goal to go, which compresses the field, that is a tremendous handicap for an offense and a quarterback.  A team has to at least have the OPTION of pounding the ball into the end zone.  Without that, it's all on the QB to get a TD by throwing it.  And that makes it really hard.

Last year we had 120 plays where we ran the ball for zero or minus yardage.  I'm sure all of us can recollect many times when the ball was handed to Travis Etienne, and he was hit 2 yards in the backfield.  MANY times.  2nd and 12 or 3rd and 12 has a MAJOR impact on the effectiveness of your passing game.  Not to mention the lack of a running threat when it's 3rd and goal from the 2 yard line.  

Trevor is not the problem here.

It's been the bane of this team's existence since Lawrence set foot here. It's frustrating. Most of us have been fans since the beginning, or, were fortunate enough to witness the great running games we had here throughout the years between Fred Taylor, James Stewart, Stacy Mack, Maurice Jones-Drew, etc. 

Even the 2017 team had it's moments. There was a bit of a lull for awhile but between Fournette, Yeldon and Grant, there felt like there was always the ability to pick-up chump change on the ground when and if needed. To see it flatline the way it has? It's been a real culture shock for me. 

Even more frustrating when you consider that, Lawrence easily has the best overall arm talent and football IQ with mobility that have not seen in years here. At least since Brunell. Garrard had some good qualities to him. As did Leftwich. But, they all lacked something here and there that held the team back. Same for Bortles. 

It's just a shame we can't get it right and come together with everything in the right place at the right time anymore. I hope it's this year or next year. We'll see. Even today's best teams can still run it when they absolutely need to or have to. 49ers, Eagles, Chiefs, Ravens, etc. 

Just need to find that balance again to keep a defense honest and Lawrence will finally be able to unleash his full potential out there.

Brunell - not the most accurate, not the strongest arm, not a confident runner after his injury, good grit and good decisions usually. Good enough in every area but not great.

Leftwich - one of the strongest arms in the league, very inaccurate at times, no ability to escape pressure, very long and very easy to read throwing motion

Garrard - similar to Brunell, better runner than post-injury Brunell, but a poor, hanging deep ball.

Gabbert - Gabbert showed literally nothing while he was here.  The entire offense was a catastrophe.  Gabbert was a successful backup elsewhere so it was just a bad environment for him overall.

Bortles - the best runner and hardest to tackle of any Jags QB, better than average arm strength, able to be accurate, but no ability to time his throws or throw guys open.  If the receiver was going to change direction in between the decision to throw and the ball getting there, Bortles couldn't compute it.

Lawrence - has all the throws as well as some evasive ability and strength.  Has bad streaks of overthrows and staring down receivers.  But when he's on he's on.  Best QB in terms of talent the Jaguars have ever had. Is carrying the team and is often one of the only things the team has going for them. If Dave Widell was blocking for him, he would have played in at least one super bowl by now.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I think people are digging their feet into the sand on a side on this and I don't think it matters that much whether we pay him this year or next.  Sure, it will be more next year but so will the cap and everything else will work itself out.  Though, I've seen enough to know he's worth extending and I also understand how the market works, so paying him now will save a few million per year over the course of the deal and if you've seen enough as I have that's smart business, but if they paid him next year that's cool too.  The extra $3-5 million saved per year isn't going to be the reason we win or lose on game day.

Here's the thing for those opposed to paying him now though.  They can and probably will structure the deal to where the guarantees are all gone by the end of year 3 and the guarantees are all that matters on a bad contract (and they will probably re-do his deal again in that span).  So, even if you're correct that he winds up not being worth it over the next few years, they'll likely be able to part ways if they desire during or after year 3.  Even a mistake of a contract in that scenario isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme because nothing about Lawrence suggests that his floor is bottom half of the league or worse.  Goff got what, $73M guaranteed?  That's for all the intents and purposes a 2 year "continue to prove it" deal.  I think people are getting caught up in the total number, but the total number is the going salary for competent QB play and it's only going to get higher.  It will be closer to $60M per year next year. 

TLDR;  unbunch your panties, it doesn't matter.

I'm seeing $170.6M guaranteed for Goff here.  There is no doubt that there is risk in signing a huge contract to a player that doesn't quite get you there, in Tlaw's case the Jags are increasing the guaranteed money from 36M to 170M.  If they structure it as you mentioned (guaranteed money in the first three years) that's 56.6M guaranteed per year. That's a huge commitment if the team decides TLaw isn't the franchise QB.  But if the team is convinced that Trevor is the guy, then signing him now reduces his salary over the next ~6ish years (4 year extension.)

Yeah my bad.  It's $73M signing bonus.  $110M gtd at signing and there are some other dates where more money is guaranteed which gets it to the $170M number.  Interesting contract now that I've looked at it.  My reaction to the $170M gtd figure was ok it's definitely not a prove it deal, but then reading that the additional money gets guaranteed at specific milestone dates does give the team some options if he [BLEEP] the bed early on in the deal or suffers serious injury.

Either way, this whole argument from both sides calls for an appropriate meme.

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The debate lies on whether you see the flaws in his game as his own (traits like inaccuracy, crumbling under spotlight, or foolish throws) or if you see the flaws as circumstance (playcalls, blocking, drops/routes).

I think the majority here see his potential individually. He has the traits to be a franchise guy, even if he hasn't cemented his spot in the top-X QBs around the league. The question is truly whether he'll improve as circumstances improve. If we wait until he proves it, the cap number will skyrocket even more.

The GM is on the hook for the pick, as well as the work he's done to maximize Trevor's potential. At this stage, whether he negotiates the new deal today or a year from today, TB will stay or go based on whether the work he's done to make this team what it is proves successful or not. It's in his (and the team's) best interest to do the deal sooner than later.

Crumbling under spotlight?  Where the hell did you come up with that idea?

I am not asserting this is a flaw of his. I was listing example traits, sorry to confuse things.

In QBs, though, you can say that they are flawed if they fail in the big games. That's an individual trait, not a circumstantial one.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Crumbling under spotlight?  Where the hell did you come up with that idea?

I am not asserting this is a flaw of his. I was listing example traits, sorry to confuse things.

In QBs, though, you can say that they are flawed if they fail in the big games. That's an individual trait, not a circumstantial one.

People forget that football is a team sport.

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I am not asserting this is a flaw of his. I was listing example traits, sorry to confuse things.

In QBs, though, you can say that they are flawed if they fail in the big games. That's an individual trait, not a circumstantial one.

People forget that football is a team sport.

True. The QB tends to get all the glory though. They don't call that position the "Field General" for nothing. They typically touch the football more than anybody else.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

People forget that football is a team sport.

True. The QB tends to get all the glory though. They don't call that position the "Field General" for nothing. They typically touch the football more than anybody else.

And that's why people blame Lawrence for the browns loss even though he wasn't on the field getting abused by Flacco and Njoku.

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True. The QB tends to get all the glory though. They don't call that position the "Field General" for nothing. They typically touch the football more than anybody else.

And that's why people blame Lawrence for the browns loss even though he wasn't on the field getting abused by Flacco and Njoku.

That's a fair point. It's also fair to call out the miscommunication that resulted in an INT between himself and Ridley. He also threw two other INT's and then Washington's lost fumble didn't help. 

While the defense didn't do it's part? Lawrence had ample opportunities to put more points on the board in a one possession game and he had more than his fair share of mistakes. 

It happens. That was a tough defense he had to play, during that stretch of defenses last year on the road. I am sure the injuries stacking up effected him as well. Still, ball is in your hands, it's on you to execute.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

And that's why people blame Lawrence for the browns loss even though he wasn't on the field getting abused by Flacco and Njoku.

That's a fair point. It's also fair to call out the miscommunication that resulted in an INT between himself and Ridley. He also threw two other INT's and then Washington's lost fumble didn't help. 

While the defense didn't do it's part? Lawrence had ample opportunities to put more points on the board in a one possession game and he had more than his fair share of mistakes. 

It happens. That was a tough defense he had to play, during that stretch of defenses last year on the road. I am sure the injuries stacking up effected him as well. Still, ball is in your hands, it's on you to execute.

It wasn't helpful that we only had 58 total rushing yards in that game.  Travis ETN had 14 carries for 35 yards.  That put the entire onus on Trevor to win the game when the defense gave up 31 points.  

So to say that Trevor somehow failed to win the game is missing a whole lot of context.

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That's a fair point. It's also fair to call out the miscommunication that resulted in an INT between himself and Ridley. He also threw two other INT's and then Washington's lost fumble didn't help. 

While the defense didn't do it's part? Lawrence had ample opportunities to put more points on the board in a one possession game and he had more than his fair share of mistakes. 

It happens. That was a tough defense he had to play, during that stretch of defenses last year on the road. I am sure the injuries stacking up effected him as well. Still, ball is in your hands, it's on you to execute.

It wasn't helpful that we only had 58 total rushing yards in that game.  Travis ETN at 14 carries for 35 yards.  That put the entire onus on Trevor to win the game when the defense gave up 31 points.  

So to say that Trevor somehow failed to win the game is missing a whole lot of context.

Mistakes are mistakes, not sure why people can't seem to get over that concept. Trevor Lawrence is Josh Allen, minus the rushing ability, durability and touchdowns to offset the mistakes he's made. 

It's fine. All is forgiven. Last year was rough. They fell short of matching their exact same goal of 2022, which was winning the division and potentially winning a play off game. 

It's year four now though, year three in the same offense. He's going to have to make better decisions with the football and limit his turnovers, regardless of the surrounding circumstances. 

His turnovers put the defense out on the field, a struggling defense at that, which was also dealing with it's fair share of injuries (Campbell with the hamstring, Lloyd with the hand injury, virtually no presence within the interior that was depleted to begin with due to various injuries between Hamilton and Fatukasi).

We can't keep demonizing everything around Lawrence while failing to acknowledge that homeboy has a turnover problem and it's going to have to get adjusted in 2024. Good football teams can turn it over and bounce back. Great football teams manage to limit those turnovers and keep their opponents at a puncher's distance. We need to see that evolution in his game this year. 

His TD's need to vastly outweigh his interceptions and fumbles this year. Especially if it's true that he's looking at $50M per year. This is the narrative that's being set now this off season and it's not going away anytime soon until he dispels the tendencies that have landed him in said narrative.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

It wasn't helpful that we only had 58 total rushing yards in that game.  Travis ETN at 14 carries for 35 yards.  That put the entire onus on Trevor to win the game when the defense gave up 31 points.  

So to say that Trevor somehow failed to win the game is missing a whole lot of context.

Mistakes are mistakes, not sure why people can't seem to get over that concept. Trevor Lawrence is Josh Allen, minus the rushing ability, durability and touchdowns to offset the mistakes he's made. 

It's fine. All is forgiven. Last year was rough. They fell short of matching their exact same goal of 2022, which was winning the division and potentially winning a play off game. 

It's year four now though, year three in the same offense. He's going to have to make better decisions with the football and limit his turnovers, regardless of the surrounding circumstances. 

His turnovers put the defense out on the field, a struggling defense at that, which was also dealing with it's fair share of injuries (Campbell with the hamstring, Lloyd with the hand injury, virtually no presence within the interior that was depleted to begin with due to various injuries between Hamilton and Fatukasi).

We can't keep demonizing everything around Lawrence while failing to acknowledge that homeboy has a turnover problem and it's going to have to get adjusted in 2024. Good football teams can turn it over and bounce back. Great football teams manage to limit those turnovers and keep their opponents at a puncher's distance. We need to see that evolution in his game this year. 

His TD's need to vastly outweigh his interceptions and fumbles this year. Especially if it's true that he's looking at $50M per year. This is the narrative that's being set now this off season and it's not going away anytime soon until he dispels the tendencies that have landed him in said narrative.

No doubt Trevor has many areas he can improve on.  But we were 9-8, despite a lousy running game and a lousy defense.  When you can't run for a first down on 3rd and 2, and everyone in the building knows it, and when your defense can't stop the opponent from running for a first down on 3rd and 2, and everyone in the building knows it, Trevor is all we have at that point, and it's unfair to blame him for what happens.  When it's 3rd and 12, the defense is sending the house, and the QB has to wait for his receivers to come open at least 12 yards down field, and at that point there's a real good chance of a strip-sack.  Especially when the Center is being pushed back into his lap.  And then what do we do, blame Trevor for fumbling?  Yes, he had too many fumbles, but we have to stop relying on Trevor alone to win games for us.  It's a TEAM SPORT.

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It wasn't helpful that we only had 58 total rushing yards in that game.  Travis ETN at 14 carries for 35 yards.  That put the entire onus on Trevor to win the game when the defense gave up 31 points.  

So to say that Trevor somehow failed to win the game is missing a whole lot of context.

Mistakes are mistakes, not sure why people can't seem to get over that concept. Trevor Lawrence is Josh Allen, minus the rushing ability, durability and touchdowns to offset the mistakes he's made. 

It's fine. All is forgiven. Last year was rough. They fell short of matching their exact same goal of 2022, which was winning the division and potentially winning a play off game. 

It's year four now though, year three in the same offense. He's going to have to make better decisions with the football and limit his turnovers, regardless of the surrounding circumstances. 

His turnovers put the defense out on the field, a struggling defense at that, which was also dealing with it's fair share of injuries (Campbell with the hamstring, Lloyd with the hand injury, virtually no presence within the interior that was depleted to begin with due to various injuries between Hamilton and Fatukasi).

We can't keep demonizing everything around Lawrence while failing to acknowledge that homeboy has a turnover problem and it's going to have to get adjusted in 2024. Good football teams can turn it over and bounce back. Great football teams manage to limit those turnovers and keep their opponents at a puncher's distance. We need to see that evolution in his game this year. 

His TD's need to vastly outweigh his interceptions and fumbles this year. Especially if it's true that he's looking at $50M per year. This is the narrative that's being set now this off season and it's not going away anytime soon until he dispels the tendencies that have landed him in said narrative.

His decision making is more than fine but the fumbles are an issue. He has a fumble issue but not an interception issue.

From the Raiders game in 2022 to the Bengals game in 2023 (before he got seriously injured and it all crumbled):

Jags were 15-6. Trevor had 29 TDs and only 9 interceptions.

I know you've watched him play but a lot of people just look at the boxscores and draw conclusions from that. He was on the money for over 20 games until those injuries.

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Mistakes are mistakes, not sure why people can't seem to get over that concept. Trevor Lawrence is Josh Allen, minus the rushing ability, durability and touchdowns to offset the mistakes he's made. 

It's fine. All is forgiven. Last year was rough. They fell short of matching their exact same goal of 2022, which was winning the division and potentially winning a play off game. 

It's year four now though, year three in the same offense. He's going to have to make better decisions with the football and limit his turnovers, regardless of the surrounding circumstances. 

His turnovers put the defense out on the field, a struggling defense at that, which was also dealing with it's fair share of injuries (Campbell with the hamstring, Lloyd with the hand injury, virtually no presence within the interior that was depleted to begin with due to various injuries between Hamilton and Fatukasi).

We can't keep demonizing everything around Lawrence while failing to acknowledge that homeboy has a turnover problem and it's going to have to get adjusted in 2024. Good football teams can turn it over and bounce back. Great football teams manage to limit those turnovers and keep their opponents at a puncher's distance. We need to see that evolution in his game this year. 

His TD's need to vastly outweigh his interceptions and fumbles this year. Especially if it's true that he's looking at $50M per year. This is the narrative that's being set now this off season and it's not going away anytime soon until he dispels the tendencies that have landed him in said narrative.

No doubt Trevor has many areas he can improve on.  But we were 9-8, despite a lousy running game and a lousy defense.  When you can't run for a first down on 3rd and 2, and everyone in the building knows it, and when your defense can't stop the opponent from running for a first down on 3rd and 2, and everyone in the building knows it, Trevor is all we have at that point, and it's unfair to blame him for what happens.  When it's 3rd and 12, the defense is sending the house, and the QB has to wait for his receivers to come open at least 12 yards down field, and at that point there's a real good chance of a strip-sack.  Especially when the Center is being pushed back into his lap.  And then what do we do, blame Trevor for fumbling?  Yes, he had too many fumbles, but we have to stop relying on Trevor alone to win games for us.  It's a TEAM SPORT.

I think we were getting away with the interior o-line deficiency through the first 11 games and the 9ers, having two weeks to prepare for the game, identified the weakness and exposed it and then it became much more obvious after that point as the blueprint had been set and everyone was attempting to replicate it against us.  Coupled with the injuries taking a bit of mobility from Trevor and perhaps affecting accuracy slightly.  Football is a game of inches and that's not just in reference to down and distance.

The bottom line is we're a missed kick in the Bengals game (or 1 or 2 plays in several of the other losses) away from being division champs and this entire narrative about Trevor being ripped to shreds.  I have fewer questions about Trevor than I do about 90% of the other 31 current starting QBs in this league.

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Mistakes are mistakes, not sure why people can't seem to get over that concept. Trevor Lawrence is Josh Allen, minus the rushing ability, durability and touchdowns to offset the mistakes he's made. 

It's fine. All is forgiven. Last year was rough. They fell short of matching their exact same goal of 2022, which was winning the division and potentially winning a play off game. 

It's year four now though, year three in the same offense. He's going to have to make better decisions with the football and limit his turnovers, regardless of the surrounding circumstances. 

His turnovers put the defense out on the field, a struggling defense at that, which was also dealing with it's fair share of injuries (Campbell with the hamstring, Lloyd with the hand injury, virtually no presence within the interior that was depleted to begin with due to various injuries between Hamilton and Fatukasi).

We can't keep demonizing everything around Lawrence while failing to acknowledge that homeboy has a turnover problem and it's going to have to get adjusted in 2024. Good football teams can turn it over and bounce back. Great football teams manage to limit those turnovers and keep their opponents at a puncher's distance. We need to see that evolution in his game this year. 

His TD's need to vastly outweigh his interceptions and fumbles this year. Especially if it's true that he's looking at $50M per year. This is the narrative that's being set now this off season and it's not going away anytime soon until he dispels the tendencies that have landed him in said narrative.

No doubt Trevor has many areas he can improve on.  But we were 9-8, despite a lousy running game and a lousy defense.  When you can't run for a first down on 3rd and 2, and everyone in the building knows it, and when your defense can't stop the opponent from running for a first down on 3rd and 2, and everyone in the building knows it, Trevor is all we have at that point, and it's unfair to blame him for what happens.  When it's 3rd and 12, the defense is sending the house, and the QB has to wait for his receivers to come open at least 12 yards down field, and at that point there's a real good chance of a strip-sack.  Especially when the Center is being pushed back into his lap.  And then what do we do, blame Trevor for fumbling?  Yes, he had too many fumbles, but we have to stop relying on Trevor alone to win games for us.  It's a TEAM SPORT.

Lawrence, unfortunately, had some of the highest touted labels leaving Clemson. The "Can't miss, Generational Talent" label was on him long before his final season as a Tiger. He had some hefty expectations lobbed at him and people probably expected the second coming of Andrew Luck.

To further complicate matters. He was relatively young leaving school, went through a Covid year and then was jettisoned with an albatross around his neck by the name of Urban Meyer. We're past all of that now. 

With all things considered? He HAS to be the guy though. That's the point of your QB. When all is lost? When the chips are down? When your backed up against a wall? He HAS to be the BEST, undeniable PLAYER out there. 

He has to transcend his mistakes. He has to overcome the [BLEEP] sandwich presented on his plate. He has to right the wrong's, he has to elevate everybody around him. That's the nature of the QB position. 

It's a team sport. We can all agree on that. It's still a QB driven league and it's still the QB position commanding the most per year with their average salaries and it's still the QB that's primarily handling well over 500+ fortune changing or fortune dooming snaps for every franchise. 

The main question is, and it's an easy answer for me. Do you believe in him? If your answer is "yes" to that? We're all good. He's still Sunshine Brett Favre to me until those turnovers go down though. Hope the kid does great this year. Hope he crushes any and all doubters, hope he earns the biggest payout in NFL history. 

Our franchise's success is joined at the hip with his arm talent.

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No doubt Trevor has many areas he can improve on.  But we were 9-8, despite a lousy running game and a lousy defense.  When you can't run for a first down on 3rd and 2, and everyone in the building knows it, and when your defense can't stop the opponent from running for a first down on 3rd and 2, and everyone in the building knows it, Trevor is all we have at that point, and it's unfair to blame him for what happens.  When it's 3rd and 12, the defense is sending the house, and the QB has to wait for his receivers to come open at least 12 yards down field, and at that point there's a real good chance of a strip-sack.  Especially when the Center is being pushed back into his lap.  And then what do we do, blame Trevor for fumbling?  Yes, he had too many fumbles, but we have to stop relying on Trevor alone to win games for us.  It's a TEAM SPORT.

Lawrence, unfortunately, had some of the highest touted labels leaving Clemson. The "Can't miss, Generational Talent" label was on him long before his final season as a Tiger. He had some hefty expectations lobbed at him and people probably expected the second coming of Andrew Luck.

To further complicate matters. He was relatively young leaving school, went through a Covid year and then was jettisoned with an albatross around his neck by the name of Urban Meyer. We're past all of that now. 

With all things considered? He HAS to be the guy though. That's the point of your QB. When all is lost? When the chips are down? When your backed up against a wall? He HAS to be the BEST, undeniable PLAYER out there. 

He has to transcend his mistakes. He has to overcome the [BLEEP] sandwich presented on his plate. He has to right the wrong's, he has to elevate everybody around him. That's the nature of the QB position. 

It's a team sport. We can all agree on that. It's still a QB driven league and it's still the QB position commanding the most per year with their average salaries and it's still the QB that's primarily handling well over 500+ fortune changing or fortune dooming snaps for every franchise. 

The main question is, and it's an easy answer for me. Do you believe in him? If your answer is "yes" to that? We're all good. He's still Sunshine Brett Favre to me until those turnovers go down though. Hope the kid does great this year. Hope he crushes any and all doubters, hope he earns the biggest payout in NFL history. 

Our franchise's success is joined at the hip with his arm talent.

Elevate the team around him? You don't think he's doing that?

Engram, Kirk, Zay... All had career years with him. Without Trevor, this is a bottom 5 team. The roster isn't that good overall. 

He's 24. Took a team that had the #1 pick in back to back seasons to a playoff win. Overcame the worst coaching situation in the history of the NFL in his rookie year. He's so much better than you're giving him credit for.

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