I stopped reading your post and just scrolled by it and posted after your first sentence. I don't watch "talking head sport shows" so, I knew then that anything you had to say about my post was completely irrelevant to what I posted.

I watch only live sports and music related content on TV. So, all those "talking head sport shows" you obviously watch have twisted your thoughts so much that your reading and comprehension skills are now non-existent.

I hope you enjoy the NFL season. I know I will.

Yeah after the Packers start the season 0-5

Are you upset the Packers are on my contenders list? Do you have this same vitriol towards the Eagles and Ravens?

The Chargers and Jags will be enjoyable teams to watch this season, even though they are not contenders to most people. Both have quality rosters, good coaching staffs, and a franchise QB.

I suggest you get YouTube TV, Sunday Ticket(If you don't have) and watch more than a few Chargers games.

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"Lawrence is perhaps one of the greatest current examples of the disconnect between box score scouting and actually watching him play..."

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Ah the win it all.defines everything.

Yes, that is the ultimate goal for every team every season. And no, no one expects their fav team to win it all every single season. That is indeed not realistic for ANY team.

But every year there are 9 or 10 teams that are in the mix as contenders to win it all. Yes, I feel the Jags should be better than just hoping to get in the playoffs every year. If just being good enough to have a chance at the playoffs is good enough for a fan base, then great.

That is not good enough for the fan bases of the actual contenders this year
KC
San Fran
Buffalo
Ravens
Bengals
Packers
Lions
NY Jets
Eagles
Cowboys

Now, I actually feel the Jaguars are above a couple of those teams as far as roster and coaching staffs. And Trevor is capable of being as good or better than a few of the QBs.

We shall see how year 4 of the Trevor Lawrence era goes. I think the Chargers and Jaguars are right there to prove they are true contenders as opposed to pretenders. Both have franchise QBs to get them there.

I think it's more that expectation is to make the playoffs each season, especially when you throw down on a franchise QB, and the hope is that you get hot and go on a deep run.

hope != expect

At this stage, I do believe it is fair to say the expectation is to be in the postseason. The team is solid enough to win the games they should, and have proven that even when thngs turn upside down, we can still keep our heads above .500 - assuming we haven't regressed, it would be inane to expect reduced performance.

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Again, need to get off the stat sheet and do some actual analysis.

These are fumbles, mind you, and not lost fumbles.

You can keep trying to frame me as someone who just looks at stats, and I will keep laughing as you make a fool of yourself. Too funny!

And Trevor has 21 LOST fumbles in 3 years. Not the end of the world, but something he needs to work on is protecting the football. He admits that.

If it's not the end of the world, why do you keep harping on that stat?

If you're not solely focused on the stat sheet, why don't you try to add some context to the stat to make the point convincing?

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Yeah after the Packers start the season 0-5

Are you upset the Packers are on my contenders list? Do you have this same vitriol towards the Eagles and Ravens?

The Chargers and Jags will be enjoyable teams to watch this season, even though they are not contenders to most people. Both have quality rosters, good coaching staffs, and a franchise QB.

I suggest you get YouTube TV, Sunday Ticket(If you don't have) and watch more than a few Chargers games.

Youtube tv for nfl Not available outside of America mate,

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This is not the norm......

Since the 2001 NFL playoffs (those that took place after the 2000 regular season), an average of 5.6 teams per postseason were in the playoffs the year prior. That amounts to a 46.9 percent turnover. Three times—2001-2002, 2007-2008, 2009-2010—the turnover of playoff teams from one year to the next was six (50 percent).

NFL Is purposefully set up to give more teams hope.

I'm not saying the same 9 or 10 teams are the actual contenders every year. And I am not suggesting that some teams fans should have no hope.

I am just saying that I would like to see the Jaguars play to a level this season that they are mentioned with the likes of KC, San Fran, and Baltimore. Is that too much to ask? I get blowback here every time I mention that this team is good enough overall. And it's not just on Trevor, but he needs to play at the high level that he is capable of.

Not sure why most here are so defensive about anything said about Trevor Lawrence. It's like: Hey, Trevor Lawrence farted and it stinks. People on this forum: "His farts don't stink, you are lying. And you aren't looking at the fact that he had some bad Mexican food."

So what you're saying is DO NOT order the burrito at Urbs' Chop House?

I think we ALL want to see this team play at a level where we are not losing to the top tier of the league by multiple scores. We do that, and we WILL be in the conversation. We have to prove that it isn't a fluke. I don't think that's where the blowback is coming from.

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Yes, that is the ultimate goal for every team every season. And no, no one expects their fav team to win it all every single season. That is indeed not realistic for ANY team.

But every year there are 9 or 10 teams that are in the mix as contenders to win it all. Yes, I feel the Jags should be better than just hoping to get in the playoffs every year. If just being good enough to have a chance at the playoffs is good enough for a fan base, then great.

That is not good enough for the fan bases of the actual contenders this year
KC
San Fran
Buffalo
Ravens
Bengals
Packers
Lions
NY Jets
Eagles
Cowboys

Now, I actually feel the Jaguars are above a couple of those teams as far as roster and coaching staffs. And Trevor is capable of being as good or better than a few of the QBs.

We shall see how year 4 of the Trevor Lawrence era goes. I think the Chargers and Jaguars are right there to prove they are true contenders as opposed to pretenders. Both have franchise QBs to get them there.

I think it's more that expectation is to make the playoffs each season, especially when you throw down on a franchise QB, and the hope is that you get hot and go on a deep run.

hope != expect

At this stage, I do believe it is fair to say the expectation is to be in the postseason. The team is solid enough to win the games they should, and have proven that even when thngs turn upside down, we can still keep our heads above .500 - assuming we haven't regressed, it would be inane to expect reduced performance.

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You can keep trying to frame me as someone who just looks at stats, and I will keep laughing as you make a fool of yourself. Too funny!

And Trevor has 21 LOST fumbles in 3 years. Not the end of the world, but something he needs to work on is protecting the football. He admits that.

If you're not solely focused on the stat sheet, why don't you try to add some context to the stat to make the point convincing?

I mentioned it once, but many kept re-posting it. And I don't care if he fumbled 4 times in one game or that some feel his lost fumbles are the fault of others. As I said, protecting the football is something Trevor needs to work on. His head coach and Trevor himself have said this.

Some here get triggered if anyone says Trevor has many to things to work on to get better. Every great QB I have ever seen has said they are always working on their game to get better. You don't need to defend Trevor when people point out things he needs to work on.

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I blame this kind of mindset on the endless amount of talking head sport shows now.

I stopped reading your post and just scrolled by it and posted after your first sentence. I don't watch "talking head sport shows" so, I knew then that anything you had to say about my post was completely irrelevant to what I posted.

I watch only live sports and music related content on TV. So, all those "talking head sport shows" you obviously watch have twisted your thoughts so much that your reading and comprehension skills are now non-existent.

I hope you enjoy the NFL season, I know I will.

If you only watch live sports and pay no mind to sporpstalk, why in the world would you have the Jest as a "actual contender"? One would think that Miami especially has shown more potential to have postseason aspirations based on their performance.

Even if you stick solely to live sports, unless you leave it on mute you are subjected to talking heads bloviating about expectations and contenders, whether their takes are sound or not.

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"Lawrence is perhaps one of the greatest current examples of the disconnect between box score scouting and actually watching him play..."

Well informed writer/journalist.  I'm gonna have to follow this guy when he writes about the NFL because this article hit it on the nose.  It's rare that someone who doesn't specifically cover the Jags appears so well informed about Trevor and understands the contract he just signed.  Also from the article:

"It’s been easy for casual fans to overlook just how prolific a passer Lawrence has become."


You can tell who doesn't pay much attention to the Jaguars or doesn't understand what they're watching if they do (i.e. casuals) by their negative Trevor takes.

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Yeah after the Packers start the season 0-5

Are you upset the Packers are on my contenders list? Do you have this same vitriol towards the Eagles and Ravens?

The Chargers and Jags will be enjoyable teams to watch this season, even though they are not contenders to most people. Both have quality rosters, good coaching staffs, and a franchise QB.

I suggest you get YouTube TV, Sunday Ticket(If you don't have) and watch more than a few Chargers games.

Oh buddy.

Paul Serbu is my frickin' hero.

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Are you upset the Packers are on my contenders list? Do you have this same vitriol towards the Eagles and Ravens?

The Chargers and Jags will be enjoyable teams to watch this season, even though they are not contenders to most people. Both have quality rosters, good coaching staffs, and a franchise QB.

I suggest you get YouTube TV, Sunday Ticket(If you don't have) and watch more than a few Chargers games.

Youtube tv for nfl Not available outside of America mate,

@Then you should probably move@

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https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2024/6/18/2...-nfl-money

"Lawrence is perhaps one of the greatest current examples of the disconnect between box score scouting and actually watching him play..."

Well informed writer/journalist.  I'm gonna have to follow this guy when he writes about the NFL because this article hit it on the nose.  It's rare that someone who doesn't specifically cover the Jags appears so well informed about Trevor and understands the contract he just signed.  Also from the article:

"It’s been easy for casual fans to overlook just how prolific a passer Lawrence has become."


You can tell who doesn't pay much attention to the Jaguars or doesn't understand what they're watching if they do (i.e. casuals) by their negative Trevor takes.

Agreed. Goes back to my comment in here from last week. Is Lawrence, statistically a top five Quarterback? No. However, if we're just talking about pure mechanics, arm talent and ability overal? He's a top five Quarterback in that regard. Easily. 

I think he hits his stride in year four as a professional and year three within the same offense. The turnovers will come down once the rest of the newcomers gel and click. The running game will be absolutely paramount to enable what Lawrence thrives at, and that's really, the ability to work off of play action, flow away from the pocket and hit the deep balls.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I stopped reading your post and just scrolled by it and posted after your first sentence. I don't watch "talking head sport shows" so, I knew then that anything you had to say about my post was completely irrelevant to what I posted.

I watch only live sports and music related content on TV. So, all those "talking head sport shows" you obviously watch have twisted your thoughts so much that your reading and comprehension skills are now non-existent.

I hope you enjoy the NFL season, I know I will.

If you only watch live sports and pay no mind to sporpstalk, why in the world would you have the Jest as a "actual contender"? One would think that Miami especially has shown more potential to have postseason aspirations based on their performance.

The Jets have an elite defense. The Jets have improved their OL. The Jets have an overall good roster. The Jets have a QB that has always played his best when he feels he has to prove people wrong.

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I think it's more that expectation is to make the playoffs each season, especially when you throw down on a franchise QB, and the hope is that you get hot and go on a deep run.

hope != expect

At this stage, I do believe it is fair to say the expectation is to be in the postseason. The team is solid enough to win the games they should, and have proven that even when thngs turn upside down, we can still keep our heads above .500 - assuming we haven't regressed, it would be inane to expect reduced performance.

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If you're not solely focused on the stat sheet, why don't you try to add some context to the stat to make the point convincing?

I mentioned it once, but many kept re-posting it. And I don't care if he fumbled 4 times in one game or that some feel his lost fumbles are the fault of others. As I said, protecting the football is something Trevor needs to work on. His head coach and Trevor himself have said this.

Some here get triggered if anyone says Trevor has many to things to work on to get better. Every great QB I have ever seen has said they are always working on their game to get better. You don't need to defend Trevor when people point out things he needs to work on.

Maybe I just don't pay mind to non-live sports. Interviews are gonna be half-answers and platitudes for the sake of giving a sound bite.

OFC Trevor is gonna hang the albatross around his own neck. Should he call out his line when they give him no time to run through progressions, or his OC for calling questionable plays? That's not what a franchise guy does. Sure, he needs to have that ticking clock in his head to know to dump it or tuck because the rush is gonna be there, but it's a lot more than him just needing to have a death grip on the pigskin.

Why wouldn't you care about context? Do you prefer ignorance? And you wonder why you get pushback.

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I think it's more that expectation is to make the playoffs each season, especially when you throw down on a franchise QB, and the hope is that you get hot and go on a deep run.

hope != expect

At this stage, I do believe it is fair to say the expectation is to be in the postseason. The team is solid enough to win the games they should, and have proven that even when thngs turn upside down, we can still keep our heads above .500 - assuming we haven't regressed, it would be inane to expect reduced performance.

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If you're not solely focused on the stat sheet, why don't you try to add some context to the stat to make the point convincing?

I mentioned it once, but many kept re-posting it. And I don't care if he fumbled 4 times in one game or that some feel his lost fumbles are the fault of others. As I said, protecting the football is something Trevor needs to work on. His head coach and Trevor himself have said this.

Some here get triggered if anyone says Trevor has many to things to work on to get better. Every great QB I have ever seen has said they are always working on their game to get better. You don't need to defend Trevor when people point out things he needs to work on.

Nobody is getting triggered about what you say.  Some of it is valid and some of it is clear box score lazy analysis.  Play along with me and assume I'm correct that no one is getting triggered by the content of what you post.  What else could be causing people to rebuke you with such regularity?

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If you only watch live sports and pay no mind to sporpstalk, why in the world would you have the Jest as a "actual contender"? One would think that Miami especially has shown more potential to have postseason aspirations based on their performance.

The Jets have an elite defense. The Jets have improved their OL. The Jets have an overall good roster. The Jets have a QB that has always played his best when he feels he has to prove people wrong.

Rodgers has also underachieved. Only one Superbowl win, which came against a Steelers team that was pulling in street free agents the week of the game to plug and play along their offensive line. Great arm talent. Memorable plays here and there. Has a tendency to fall short or play less than memorable football in the play off's. 

The last time he played in the play off's, it was not that impressive. Think the Packers got pretty much handled by the 49ers on the road if I remember correctly. I don't think the Jets are a bad team, however, I think they have as much to prove as everybody else does that's regarded as a potential play off team.

I honestly put them in the same conversation with the Jaguars. I don't see them as an elite team just yet. Buffalo is still the team to beat in the East. Miami is still going to do things to stay in the conversation. The AFC North probably has the strongest overall division in the entirety of the NFL. The AFC South has us and the tinhorns. The AFC West has the Chiefs and Chargers. 

I don't think the Jets are a shoe in to make the play-off's. Even with Rodgers undercenter.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

The Jets have an elite defense. The Jets have improved their OL. The Jets have an overall good roster. The Jets have a QB that has always played his best when he feels he has to prove people wrong.

The AFC South has us and the tinhorns.

I don't think the Jets are a shoe in to make the play-off's. Even with Rodgers undercenter.

I may get some grief for saying this, but the AFC South and NFC South are the two easiest divisions to win in football. Yes, the Jags have a good shot at winning the division. I am not that confident in them once they would enter the playoffs. I am hoping they show they actually are true contenders. I would love that.

The AFC East comes down to the Bills and Jets. I am not as sold as some on the Dolphins. Do I see both the Bills and Jets in the playoffs? Yes. With that elite defense, I think Aaron Rodgers and a pretty sound offense can carry the Jets to not only the playoffs, but a possible Super Bowl berth.

Yes, Aaron has won one Super Bowl. Most people that say that are fans of teams that have never won one. It's not easy, but I think the Jets are a team that can contend to win it all.

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The AFC South has us and the tinhorns.

I don't think the Jets are a shoe in to make the play-off's. Even with Rodgers undercenter.

I may get some grief for saying this, but the AFC South and NFC South are the two easiest divisions to win in football. Yes, the Jags have a good shot at winning the division. I am not that confident in them once they would enter the playoffs. I am hoping they show they actually are true contenders. I would love that.

The AFC East comes down to the Bills and Jets. I am not as sold as some on the Dolphins. Do I see both the Bills and Jets in the playoffs? Yes. With that elite defense, I think Aaron Rodgers and a pretty sound offense can carry the Jets to not only the playoffs, but a possible Super Bowl berth.

Yes, Aaron has won one Super Bowl. Most people that say that are fans of teams that have never won one. It's not easy, but I think the Jets are a team that can contend to win it all.

You have to look at the AFC in it's entirety. There's a total of sixteen teams. There's only seven spots available. If I am playing the odds right now? It would be the following:

1 SEED: Kansas City
2 SEED: Baltimore
3 SEED: Buffalo
4 SEED: Jacksonville
5 SEED: Cincinnati 
6 SEED: Houston
7 SEED: Pittsburgh

The AFC is a fairly strong conference. Again, the AFC North probably has the best teams overall in the NFL. I could see Pittsburgh getting away with Wilson at QB. I could see Cincinnati getting in with a healthy Burrow at QB. I think the AFC South will flip that narrative upside down in 2024. We'll see two, double digit winning teams make the play-off's. 

I bet the Jaguars and tinhorns beat the Jets this season as well... directly playing a role in them not making the play-off's.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

The Jets have an elite defense. The Jets have improved their OL. The Jets have an overall good roster. The Jets have a QB that has always played his best when he feels he has to prove people wrong.

Rodgers has also underachieved. Only one Superbowl win, which came against a Steelers team that was pulling in street free agents the week of the game to plug and play along their offensive line. Great arm talent. Memorable plays here and there. Has a tendency to fall short or play less than memorable football in the play off's. 

The last time he played in the play off's, it was not that impressive. Think the Packers got pretty much handled by the 49ers on the road if I remember correctly. I don't think the Jets are a bad team, however, I think they have as much to prove as everybody else does that's regarded as a potential play off team.

I honestly put them in the same conversation with the Jaguars. I don't see them as an elite team just yet. Buffalo is still the team to beat in the East. Miami is still going to do things to stay in the conversation. The AFC North probably has the strongest overall division in the entirety of the NFL. The AFC South has us and the tinhorns. The AFC West has the Chiefs and Chargers. 

I don't think the Jets are a shoe in to make the play-off's. Even with Rodgers undercenter.

…and is 40+ and coming off of an Achilles tear.

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I may get some grief for saying this, but the AFC South and NFC South are the two easiest divisions to win in football. Yes, the Jags have a good shot at winning the division. I am not that confident in them once they would enter the playoffs. I am hoping they show they actually are true contenders. I would love that.

The AFC East comes down to the Bills and Jets. I am not as sold as some on the Dolphins. Do I see both the Bills and Jets in the playoffs? Yes. With that elite defense, I think Aaron Rodgers and a pretty sound offense can carry the Jets to not only the playoffs, but a possible Super Bowl berth.

Yes, Aaron has won one Super Bowl. Most people that say that are fans of teams that have never won one. It's not easy, but I think the Jets are a team that can contend to win it all.

1 SEED: Kansas City
2 SEED: Baltimore
3 SEED: Buffalo
4 SEED: Jacksonville
5 SEED: Cincinnati 
6 SEED: Houston
7 SEED: Pittsburgh

It gets a little dicey when you are saying both Houston and Jax are getting in. If I was a betting man, I would bet on the Jags or Texans getting in, but both getting in is not "playing the odds" as you say.

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1 SEED: Kansas City
2 SEED: Baltimore
3 SEED: Buffalo
4 SEED: Jacksonville
5 SEED: Cincinnati 
6 SEED: Houston
7 SEED: Pittsburgh

It gets a little dicey when you are saying both Houston and Jax are getting in. If I was a betting man, I would bet on the Jags or Texans getting in, but both getting in is not "playing the odds" as you say.

When you look at both teams, from what they did last year, it's very well likely both of them are taking another step forward and winning a game or two more that they would have lost last year. 

Between the AFC East and NFC North opponents. There's wins to be had. Plenty of wins. The only challenging teams from those two divisions are, in my opinion, the Packers, Bills and Lions. The rest of those teams? The Bears, Vikings, Dolphins, Patriots and Jets are all very winnable games, and, historically? 

They favor the Jaguars in the win/loss column. Jacksonville especially. We've had Buffalo's number for the past few years with Josh Allen there. We're looking at the Bears, Patriots and Vikings with new questions at QB. We've beat the Jets the last few times we've seen them. The Dolphins are a little overrated. 

The only two teams, again, that really concern me from both divisions combined are the Packers and Lions. Then we get the Browns and Raiders as outliers. Which could go either way, but, again, both teams have questionable QB situations as well. 

It's fine though. Keep on sleeping on the Jaguars. We love it. This team went 8 - 3 last year and were just a few dropped TD's away from being 9 - 2 or 10 - 1 at that point in the season. This team is not that far off. It was just the injuries that kept racking up and racking up fast. Essentially had Lawrence start to physically decline with the ankle injury, then Kirk went out and it was a wrap from there.

Hear me now, believe me later. Jacksonville is a better football team than people realize and Lawrence is being severely underrated and slept on right now.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

It gets a little dicey when you are saying both Houston and Jax are getting in. If I was a betting man, I would bet on the Jags or Texans getting in, but both getting in is not "playing the odds" as you say.

When you look at both teams, from what they did last year, it's very well likely both of them are taking another step forward and winning a game or two more that they would have lost last year. 

Between the AFC East and NFC North opponents. There's wins to be had. Plenty of wins. The only challenging teams from those two divisions are, in my opinion, the Packers, Bills and Lions. The rest of those teams? The Bears, Vikings, Dolphins, Patriots and Jets are all very winnable games, and, historically? 

They favor the Jaguars in the win/loss column. Jacksonville especially. We've had Buffalo's number for the past few years with Josh Allen there. We're looking at the Bears, Patriots and Vikings with new questions at QB. We've beat the Jets the last few times we've seen them. The Dolphins are a little overrated. 

The only two teams, again, that really concern me from both divisions combined are the Packers and Lions. Then we get the Browns and Raiders as outliers. Which could go either way, but, again, both teams have questionable QB situations as well. 

It's fine though. Keep on sleeping on the Jaguars. We love it. This team went 8 - 3 last year and were just a few dropped TD's away from being 9 - 2 or 10 - 1 at that point in the season. This team is not that far off. It was just the injuries that kept racking up and racking up fast. Essentially had Lawrence start to physically decline with the ankle injury, then Kirk went out and it was a wrap from there.

Hear me now, believe me later. Jacksonville is a better football team than people realize and Lawrence is being severely underrated and slept on right now.

I have been saying the Jags have a very good roster, & coaching staff. Some here have told me that the roster basically sucks and it's all Trevor as the reason they are a playoff contender. I am certainly not "sleeping" on Jax. Of the 3(Jets, Jags, Texans) I would leave the Texans as the team out of the playoffs. I know they had one decent season, but like the Lions winning the North once in 30 years, does not make them Kings Of The North. A division the Packers have dominated for many years.

If I am not sold on anyone it's the Texans.

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