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Democrats! Sell me on Harris!


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(08-10-2024, 01:01 PM)copycat Wrote:
(08-10-2024, 11:23 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: I've been telling you guys for a couple years now that moderates are the problem in this country. Marty. Mikey. Copycat. JagorDie. RicoTX.

It's not that they are bad people, or even that they are wrong about Trump. It's their inability to broaden their view to see that their "principles" are easily manipulated by bad actors.

Trump is a narcissist. So is almost every politician. Trump is a liar. So is almost every politician. Trump says bad things about people. So does almost every other politician. I believe Americans are so comfortable, that even though they can see things are heading in the wrong direction, they've become more concerned with protecting their own comfortability than doing the hard thing and forcing a reset.

Trump is inarticulate. Every slip of his tongue is magnified and broadcast out to millions of people by a media that has a vested interest in preserving the status quo. However, he has a proven track record of being measured in action if you look at his policies.

Kamala is inarticulate. Every slip of her tongue is buried and excused to millions of people by a media that has a vested interest in preserving the status quo. However, she has a proven track record of forcing bad policies on people via her association with the Biden campaign.

The complacent in our country care far too much about the voice of the establishment, who are really the main culprits shaping the image of these politicians. Yes. Trump says dumb things. He's his own worst enemy. Got it. If he were a supporting the establishment, you wouldn't have half of it broadcast to you. EVERY single person who claimed they didn't understand Biden was "that old" is admitting they were uninformed and lied to. He didn't get "that old" overnight. You simply weren't given an accurate picture. Instead of waking up and realizing that it's the media that's lying to you, you fall for the second half of that trick, which is them convincing you that they didn't know he was "that old" either and you should accept a younger person in his place.... without voting for her, btw.

You guys are so easily manipulated. It saddens me, because we need everyone to start pushing back against the establishment, but we can't because of TRUMP. Unfortunately, we only can because of Trump, too. At some point, you're going to have to face the hard issue of your own discomfort. We may as well start with words, because the result of these progressive policies is going to be SO much worse.

I’m a moderate now?  I knew giving up coffee was a bad idea.

Allow me to clarify. 

I am not calling you a moderate because you are in the middle. I'm grouping you in with a class of voters that don't really want to rock the boat. They are "safe" voters. 

There is a group of people on the left and right, who identify with the old guard. You have Bush and Reagan Republicans who see Trump as a threat to conservatism. You have JFK and Clinton Democrats who think the left is becoming too radical. I consider these people to be moderates... not because they are in the middle, but because they see themselves as connected to the establishment. They care more about people that are causing a disturbance to the system than they do the system is breaking. 

So long as politicians play ball and say the right thing, the people I call moderates will turn the other cheek, even if the establishment candidates are selling out Americans, and I consider the people I called out the "safe" voters. 

Moderate is not the right word, so I will retract it. I don't really have a better word for it, though.
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(08-10-2024, 04:01 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(08-10-2024, 03:39 PM)RicoTx Wrote: Well gee.  Thanks for pointing out my deficiencies even though you know nothing about me.  And you glean this all from ten or so posts, none of which offered support for either candidate.  Pretty impressive.

You said you weren't voting. That's enough.

Yawn.
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(08-10-2024, 01:46 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: This is exactly what I've been saying. 

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/10/harris-...mp-revenge

=====quote======
This election is about more than two very different ideologies. It's about two very different moods: joy vs. rage.

Why it matters: The conflicting rhetoric reflects the conflicting calculations of how to win in 2024 — and how Americans are really feeling about the state of the nation.

Former President Trump sees fear as the primary motivator — fear of illegal immigration, crime, inflation, a declining America. He believes swing voters will embrace his darker view and demand protection, even if they don't love his style.

Vice President Harris sees hope (or conflict exhaustion) as the primary motivator — hope to move beyond Trump and fighting, hope in a rising/rebounding America. She believes voters are tired of doom-and-gloom.

====== end quote=====

Remember Obama's slogan- "Change we can believe in?"  What the heck does that have to do with actual issues?  It's completely, purposefully vague.

Campaigns are not always won or lost on issues.  They are very often won on image, likeability, and mood.

That's garbage, Marty. Jim Jones promised hope and people drunk the Kool-Aid. They died, Marty. If I were outside that compound telling people not to go in there, Jim Jones would say I was selling fear. 

Perspective is important.
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(08-10-2024, 05:01 PM)RicoTx Wrote:
(08-10-2024, 04:01 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: You said you weren't voting. That's enough.

Yawn.

Something like China's cultural revolution absolutely could happen here, and folks like SC1 would lead the charge.  Winger might join in after he sobered up.
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(08-10-2024, 04:52 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(08-10-2024, 01:01 PM)copycat Wrote: I’m a moderate now?  I knew giving up coffee was a bad idea.

Allow me to clarify. 

I am not calling you a moderate because you are in the middle. I'm grouping you in with a class of voters that don't really want to rock the boat. They are "safe" voters. 

There is a group of people on the left and right, who identify with the old guard. You have Bush and Reagan Republicans who see Trump as a threat to conservatism. You have JFK and Clinton Democrats who think the left is becoming too radical. I consider these people to be moderates... not because they are in the middle, but because they see themselves as connected to the establishment. They care more about people that are causing a disturbance to the system than they do the system is breaking. 

So long as politicians play ball and say the right thing, the people I call moderates will turn the other cheek, even if the establishment candidates are selling out Americans, and I consider the people I called out the "safe" voters. 

Moderate is not the right word, so I will retract it. I don't really have a better word for it, though.

My stance is unless you Trumpsters call him out for the stupidity he does he will lose the people he needs to win this election.  He thought of Harris negotiating with world leaders on behalf of America scares the [BLEEP] out of me which is exactly what is going to happen if Trump keeps stoking the fires with unnecessary insults.
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Need a real life factory reset for some of these people.

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(08-10-2024, 03:27 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(08-10-2024, 02:17 PM)Jagger Wrote: Poly is 52-46 but it’s not just that. Vegas odds Trump was -300 two weeks ago and now he’s underdog. I went on every betting and market predicting site. Trump is not ahead in any of them. He’s shifted to being the heavy favorite to officially the underdog. It’s her race to lose now. That’s simply the state of the race right now unfortunately. People apparently don’t care about inflation anymore.

Just curious where Poly had Shipario in the odds of being VP. 

Don't answer. That was a rhetorical question.


VP markets based off rumors.
Presidents based off polls.
The polls have gone to hell for Trump in the ones he was doing well in a few weeks ago.

Not saying Trump can’t win, but obviously it’s more 50/50 than it was a few weeks ago. Maybe less than 50/50. And I am scared to death we are going to end up with Pres Harris so if you want to call me paranoid…you’re damn right I am.
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(08-10-2024, 05:13 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(08-10-2024, 05:01 PM)RicoTx Wrote: Yawn.

Something like China's cultural revolution absolutely could happen here, and folks like SC1 would lead the charge.  Winger might join in after he sobered up.

Lol.
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(08-10-2024, 05:19 PM)copycat Wrote:
(08-10-2024, 04:52 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Allow me to clarify. 

I am not calling you a moderate because you are in the middle. I'm grouping you in with a class of voters that don't really want to rock the boat. They are "safe" voters. 

There is a group of people on the left and right, who identify with the old guard. You have Bush and Reagan Republicans who see Trump as a threat to conservatism. You have JFK and Clinton Democrats who think the left is becoming too radical. I consider these people to be moderates... not because they are in the middle, but because they see themselves as connected to the establishment. They care more about people that are causing a disturbance to the system than they do the system is breaking. 

So long as politicians play ball and say the right thing, the people I call moderates will turn the other cheek, even if the establishment candidates are selling out Americans, and I consider the people I called out the "safe" voters. 

Moderate is not the right word, so I will retract it. I don't really have a better word for it, though.

My stance is unless you Trumpsters call him out for the stupidity he does he will lose the people he needs to win this election.  He thought of Harris negotiating with world leaders on behalf of America scares the [BLEEP] out of me which is exactly what is going to happen if Trump keeps stoking the fires with unnecessary insults.

I'm hardly a Trumpster. I know what he is. You guys just keep worrying about people who are offended by reporters who point out that Trump is attacking corruption in an uncouth way. Who cares. People need to stop being offended by the wrong thing. It's FAR more offensive to me that the lying media and corrupt politicians are not being held accountable for the wanton disregard of our institutions than a loudmouthed, narcissist who wants America to be the country of his childhood and says stuff the wrong way. Grow the [BLEEP] up. I don't like the dude, but you need a bull in times like this, and they are never gentle. 

Name me one other candidate with the balls to go after a system that is strong enough to crush the average American. Who would be able to stand against it without being called crazy? Who can talk for hours a day without something being stupid? Haley? She's part of the problem?
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(08-10-2024, 08:56 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(08-10-2024, 05:19 PM)copycat Wrote: My stance is unless you Trumpsters call him out for the stupidity he does he will lose the people he needs to win this election.  He thought of Harris negotiating with world leaders on behalf of America scares the [BLEEP] out of me which is exactly what is going to happen if Trump keeps stoking the fires with unnecessary insults.

I'm hardly a Trumpster. I know what he is. You guys just keep worrying about people who are offended by reporters who point out that Trump is attacking corruption in an uncouth way. Who cares. People need to stop being offended by the wrong thing. It's FAR more offensive to me that the lying media and corrupt politicians are not being held accountable for the wanton disregard of our institutions than a loudmouthed, narcissist who wants America to be the country of his childhood and says stuff the wrong way. Grow the [BLEEP] up. I don't like the dude, but you need a bull in times like this, and they are never gentle. 

Name me one other candidate with the balls to go after a system that is strong enough to crush the average American. Who would be able to stand against it without being called crazy? Who can talk for hours a day without something being stupid? Haley? She's part of the problem?

There is corruption in this country, as well as rent seeking.  And it can crush folks. But Trump is not actually fighting it.

The choice presented is a corrupt politician who is polite and a corrupt politician who isn't polite.
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(This post was last modified: 08-10-2024, 09:33 PM by Lucky2Last. Edited 1 time in total.)

Lol. Sure thing, pal. Trump is no saint, but they're not trying to crush him for nothing. He's anti-global and he doesn't just bend over and do what he's told. There's a reason Kamala is getting the nod.
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(08-10-2024, 08:56 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(08-10-2024, 05:19 PM)copycat Wrote: My stance is unless you Trumpsters call him out for the stupidity he does he will lose the people he needs to win this election.  He thought of Harris negotiating with world leaders on behalf of America scares the [BLEEP] out of me which is exactly what is going to happen if Trump keeps stoking the fires with unnecessary insults.

I'm hardly a Trumpster. I know what he is. You guys just keep worrying about people who are offended by reporters who point out that Trump is attacking corruption in an uncouth way. Who cares. People need to stop being offended by the wrong thing. It's FAR more offensive to me that the lying media and corrupt politicians are not being held accountable for the wanton disregard of our institutions than a loudmouthed, narcissist who wants America to be the country of his childhood and says stuff the wrong way. Grow the [BLEEP] up. I don't like the dude, but you need a bull in times like this, and they are never gentle. 

Name me one other candidate with the balls to go after a system that is strong enough to crush the average American. Who would be able to stand against it without being called crazy? Who can talk for hours a day without something being stupid? Haley? She's part of the problem?

And that right there is your problem.  He doesn’t need YOUR vote.  He already has it.  He needs to convince people not in his camp, people on the fence to vote for him.  Yet every time he unnecessarily insults someone or calls them a cute name to impress his base he pushes away a vote.  I will reiterate one more time, he needs to stop the petty BS and speak only, one more time, ONLY on policy and he would be 10 points ahead.  Why is this so hard to understand?
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(08-10-2024, 10:14 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Lol

https://twitter.com/_johnnymaga/status/1...qaUrA&s=19

She's a pure fraud.. On so many levels.
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(08-10-2024, 10:14 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Lol

https://twitter.com/_johnnymaga/status/1...qaUrA&s=19
She must have gone off script. She gave the same speech 3 days in a row and still can't do it without teleprompters.

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(08-10-2024, 09:41 PM)copycat Wrote:
(08-10-2024, 08:56 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: I'm hardly a Trumpster. I know what he is. You guys just keep worrying about people who are offended by reporters who point out that Trump is attacking corruption in an uncouth way. Who cares. People need to stop being offended by the wrong thing. It's FAR more offensive to me that the lying media and corrupt politicians are not being held accountable for the wanton disregard of our institutions than a loudmouthed, narcissist who wants America to be the country of his childhood and says stuff the wrong way. Grow the [BLEEP] up. I don't like the dude, but you need a bull in times like this, and they are never gentle. 

Name me one other candidate with the balls to go after a system that is strong enough to crush the average American. Who would be able to stand against it without being called crazy? Who can talk for hours a day without something being stupid? Haley? She's part of the problem?

And that right there is your problem.  He doesn’t need YOUR vote.  He already has it.  He needs to convince people not in his camp, people on the fence to vote for him.  Yet every time he unnecessarily insults someone or calls them a cute name to impress his base he pushes away a vote.  I will reiterate one more time, he needs to stop the petty BS and speak only, one more time, ONLY on policy and he would be 10 points ahead.  Why is this so hard to understand?

No. My problem is that THOSE people are [BLEEP].
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(This post was last modified: 08-11-2024, 01:04 AM by Lucky2Last. Edited 1 time in total.)

Look, dude... it's the same old [BLEEP]. There is SUCH a double standard and the truth is that Trump is the most centrist president in my lifetime with the exception of maybe Clinton. He's a JFK democrat. He's a populist. He uses the same tactics as modern leftists; except he was unwilling to follow them into globalism. They call their opponents Nazis, they call them racists, they call them terrorists, they call them far right radicals... where's the national ire in the media? Oh what? There isn't any? Shocking. There hasn't been any civility in politics for YEARS.

Trump goes into the wolf's den to speak to black people. Republicans weren't doing that [BLEEP] before Trump. The reporters viciously mischaracterizes him with her opening statement and people get bent out of shape because he calls her a nasty person. They get mad at him for pointing out that Kamala emphasized her Indian heritage in her early years, not her blackness, but panders to blacks. He did it in a direct and inarticulate way, but if anyone wanted to try to understand his point, they could. They don't though. The "safe" voters are simply conditioned to the underhanded and slanderous tactics of the left, and all the trad conservatives our there are just [BLEEP], quite frankly. You guys are going to polite yourselves back into feudalism.

I have zero problems moving the nation back towards conservatism, but you have got to understand what it is you're fighting for. It's not civility. It's not small government. It's an attempt to preserve any sense of traditional Americanism. It just isn't going to exist soon. It is being replaced by DEI and ESG at the behest of global corporations and elites who have a god-complex. The only way we prevent this is by recognizing the real threat, and it's not Trump.

One more thing. What could Trump possibly do to be seen favorably by the media. They take EVERYTHING out of context. There is no human being on this planet who could run against the establishment civilly and win. RFK Jr. is a great example. He gets nothing. No one cares. Whose fault is that? Yours.
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