Linder? He's too lean to play football now. Last time I saw him was via Instagram. He had posted a picture of himself on a boat with a nice redfish he had caught I believe. He's probably in his low to mid 220's if I had to guess.

I also think the odds are slim to none that all three stay healthy. Which is why many of us for the past two years have been calling for more adequate draft capital to be invested at the various positions.

We'll see what happens. It's concerning though. It's just ironic, that, the most durable player we had on the offensive line the last two years was also the worst performer in Fortner. Probably because he was so awful he couldn't physically get himself involved too much.

Built like Tarzan. Plays like Jane. Telling you now though, if we don't take a LT or RG next year within the first three rounds there's some serious [BLEEP] issues with this front office. The salary cap would also make you feel it should lean this way. You have Lawrence, you have a pair of newly gained receivers.

We need to start restocking the offensive line with young and talented players. Robinson should be gone. Scherff and Morse are pushing 10+ years of service. Not convinced some of the guys we have on the roster today are starters next year.

Harrison is going to flip to the left, Javon will be the right tackle, we'll need to draft a right guard (again) since we didn't take on this year. Both Cam and Little will be gone, Scherff might play one more. We'll also need to get a center to replace Morse in the next couple years.

For 2025 it will likely be Harrison - Cleveland - Morse - Scherff - Foster

Heck, it might be that by November.

That's honestly not that farfetched at all. Just due to the historical injury history with these guys. Looking forward to seeing what Foster can do starting tomorrow night. 

He had some promising grades on him coming out of college along with some great awards. 38 starts at LT. 12 at RT. Not a bad investment in the 4th RD. 

Not sure if the 1st team will see any action against the Chiefs, but, my eyes will be on Foster, Hodges, Jones & Fortner. Those four guys could be difference makers in a pinch this season.

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Linder? [BLEEP] does that have to do with anything?

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Linder? He's too lean to play football now. Last time I saw him was via Instagram. He had posted a picture of himself on a boat with a nice redfish he had caught I believe. He's probably in his low to mid 220's if I had to guess.

I also think the odds are slim to none that all three stay healthy. Which is why many of us for the past two years have been calling for more adequate draft capital to be invested at the various positions.

We'll see what happens. It's concerning though. It's just ironic, that, the most durable player we had on the offensive line the last two years was also the worst performer in Fortner. Probably because he was so awful he couldn't physically get himself involved too much.

Built like Tarzan. Plays like Jane. Telling you now though, if we don't take a LT or RG next year within the first three rounds there's some serious [BLEEP] issues with this front office. The salary cap would also make you feel it should lean this way. You have Lawrence, you have a pair of newly gained receivers.

We need to start restocking the offensive line with young and talented players. Robinson should be gone. Scherff and Morse are pushing 10+ years of service. Not convinced some of the guys we have on the roster today are starters next year.

Harrison is going to flip to the left, Javon will be the right tackle, we'll need to draft a right guard (again) since we didn't take on this year. Both Cam and Little will be gone, Scherff might play one more. We'll also need to get a center to replace Morse in the next couple years.

For 2025 it will likely be Harrison - Cleveland - Morse - Scherff - Foster

Heck, it might be that by November.

I dont think Scherrf will be on the roster in 2025 and I think the plan is for Foster to be the swing tackle.  I think we either resign Little or draft a tackle in the first again next year, could be a RT or LT being Harrison can play either spot.

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I still can't figure out why Cam Robinson is expected to be cut, he's only 28 and seems to be holding down the position.  The coaching staff has shown that they don't believe in Walker Little as a full-time starter IMO.  Can someone explain it?

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Please, and thank you.

I still can't figure out why Cam Robinson is expected to be cut, he's only 28 and seems to be holding down the position.  The coaching staff has shown that they don't believe in Walker Little as a full-time starter IMO.  Can someone explain it?

He isn't playing up to his current contract and gets beat by speed rushers pretty handily, but the main reason folks anticipate moving on from him after this season is that his contract is up. 2024 is his final year and I expect he'll start at LT as long as he's healthy this season.  

I think this season could make it more of a certainty he's not offered a new deal if he gives up too many pressures or continues to have injury troubles. 

In general - I think Baalke and Pederson will continue adding talent to the line in the next draft, and I doubt Cam is in future plans beyond 2024 unless this offensive line radically alters course this year.

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I still can't figure out why Cam Robinson is expected to be cut, he's only 28 and seems to be holding down the position.  The coaching staff has shown that they don't believe in Walker Little as a full-time starter IMO.  Can someone explain it?

He isn't playing up to his current contract and gets beat by speed rushers pretty handily, but the main reason folks anticipate moving on from him after this season is that his contract is up. 2024 is his final year and I expect he'll start at LT as long as he's healthy this season.  

I think this season could make it more of a certainty he's not offered a new deal if he gives up too many pressures or continues to have injury troubles. 

In general - I think Baalke and Pederson will continue adding talent to the line in the next draft, and I doubt Cam is in future plans beyond 2024 unless this offensive line radically alters course this year.

Agreed. It's time to move on.

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I still can't figure out why Cam Robinson is expected to be cut, he's only 28 and seems to be holding down the position.  The coaching staff has shown that they don't believe in Walker Little as a full-time starter IMO.  Can someone explain it?

He isn't playing up to his current contract and gets beat by speed rushers pretty handily, but the main reason folks anticipate moving on from him after this season is that his contract is up. 2024 is his final year and I expect he'll start at LT as long as he's healthy this season.  

I think this season could make it more of a certainty he's not offered a new deal if he gives up too many pressures or continues to have injury troubles. 

In general - I think Baalke and Pederson will continue adding talent to the line in the next draft, and I doubt Cam is in future plans beyond 2024 unless this offensive line radically alters course this year.

I’ve seen more than one column that theorizes he will be traded before preseason is over.  Quite frankly, I don’t care one way or the other. I don’t think there’s a big difference between Robinson and Little.

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He isn't playing up to his current contract and gets beat by speed rushers pretty handily, but the main reason folks anticipate moving on from him after this season is that his contract is up. 2024 is his final year and I expect he'll start at LT as long as he's healthy this season.  

I think this season could make it more of a certainty he's not offered a new deal if he gives up too many pressures or continues to have injury troubles. 

In general - I think Baalke and Pederson will continue adding talent to the line in the next draft, and I doubt Cam is in future plans beyond 2024 unless this offensive line radically alters course this year.

I’ve seen more than one column that theorizes he will be traded before preseason is over.  Quite frankly, I don’t care one way or the other.  I don’t think there’s a big difference between Robinson and Little.

Interesting.

I did a search and saw three speculative articles. 

I mean, if they really feel that good about Little, I guess I get it, but I don't think that's how this staff/FO will play it.
I think they want all the starter-quality healthy pieces they can have this season after last year's attrition.

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I’ve seen more than one column that theorizes he will be traded before preseason is over.  Quite frankly, I don’t care one way or the other.  I don’t think there’s a big difference between Robinson and Little.

Interesting.

I did a search and saw three speculative articles. 

I mean, if they really feel that good about Little, I guess I get it, but I don't think that's how this staff/FO will play it.
I think they want all the starter-quality healthy pieces they can have this season after last year's attrition.

Depends on the value you can get. If he warrants a 4th or 5th RD pick on a bad football team in need of a LT they might go for it.

Especially if Little can start and Foster is the new swing tackle. If somebody offered me a 3rd RD pick for Robinson right now I wouldn't blink.

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I’ve seen more than one column that theorizes he will be traded before preseason is over.  Quite frankly, I don’t care one way or the other.  I don’t think there’s a big difference between Robinson and Little.

Interesting.

I did a search and saw three speculative articles. 

I mean, if they really feel that good about Little, I guess I get it, but I don't think that's how this staff/FO will play it.
I think they want all the starter-quality healthy pieces they can have this season after last year's attrition.

I don’t see it as feeling that good about Little.  I see it as not seeing a big dropoff and if they can get value…do it.

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Once they saw Little playing well the first 4 games last year, it should have been a rap for Cam.

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Interesting.

I did a search and saw three speculative articles. 

I mean, if they really feel that good about Little, I guess I get it, but I don't think that's how this staff/FO will play it.
I think they want all the starter-quality healthy pieces they can have this season after last year's attrition.

Depends on the value you can get. If he warrants a 4th or 5th RD pick on a bad football team in need of a LT they might go for it.

Especially if Little can start and Foster is the new swing tackle. If somebody offered me a 3rd RD pick for Robinson right now I wouldn't blink.

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Depends on Little's status and Foster's pace of development/readiness to me. 

I know Little didn't get to settle into playing tackle last year, but his performance at guard was pretty awful and not much better in the brief tackle stint IMO. I felt better about him prior to 2023 than I do now. 

If the staff sees him as on par with Cam, and they feel Foster can go as a 4th round rook, I get it, but I'd wager that they want depth more than they want that pick right now.

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Watching the Steelers and tinhorn's game. I can tell you now. Hunter is going to be a handful to keep off Lawrence's back this year.

He's looked good early working from the LE spot. Worked Fautanu twice to get to Fields.

I hope Harrison is ready for year two.

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Watching the Steelers and tinhorn's game. I can tell you now. Hunter is going to be a handful to keep off Lawrence's back this year.

He's looked good early working from the LE spot. Worked Fautanu twice to get to Fields.

I hope Harrison is ready for year two.

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Im watching it too.  Hunter has been a beast for years but it was a rookie in his first preseason game.   Hunter and Anderson is one of the better end combos in the league, good to know we can match them there.

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I still can't figure out why Cam Robinson is expected to be cut, he's only 28 and seems to be holding down the position.  The coaching staff has shown that they don't believe in Walker Little as a full-time starter IMO.  Can someone explain it?

I havent seen anyone expecting Cam to be cut.  I think its possible he gets resigned but he needs to stay healthy and at a high level.

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This seams like last year to me. I am not really worried about any of our position groups except the offensive line.  The rest of the position groups are good enough to take us where we want to go.   IF the offensive line is not as offensive as they were last year.  

Since we elected to use recycled interior linemen to start, the backups will need to step up this year and actually play better than blocking dummies like they did last year.  It will be interesting to see how all that sorts out. 

Gotta trust our management and coaches know better than me and looking forward to being proven wrong.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

The 36th rated center in the League isn't starting for us anymore. That's already a significant improvement. Cleveland is here at the start, another improvement. Cam is here but likely off the PEDs so that's a toss up. Anton is looking bigger and stronger while his shoulder is 100%.

All in all I'm optimistic that this is an improved unit. They don't have to be more than middle of the pack IMO.

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The 36th rated center in the League isn't starting for us anymore. That's already a significant improvement. Cleveland is here at the start, another improvement. Cam is here but likely off the PEDs so that's a toss up. Anton is looking bigger and stronger while his shoulder is 100%.

All in all I'm optimistic that this is an improved unit. They don't have to be more than middle of the pack IMO.

Appreciate the optimism. I think once the first series or two are over with we can all collectively breath or collectively [BLEEP] our pants based on how they perform. 

I honestly hope they open up the series with a nice little run, followed by a dump pass and then a bomb to Gabe Davis to get Lawrence out of there early.

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I still can't figure out why Cam Robinson is expected to be cut, he's only 28 and seems to be holding down the position.  The coaching staff has shown that they don't believe in Walker Little as a full-time starter IMO.  Can someone explain it?

The last time he played a full season was 2020. I agree that he is a good tackle. He's not an All-Pro, but I think that some expect that level of play from a guys who's played on the tag and gotten pretty hefty deals to stick around.  Last year's suspension didn't help, either.

I don't really have a problem with his play, and injuries are a part of the game for his position. He's good. I think a lot of people are looking for great. Truth is, the OT tree just doesn't have a lot of great fruit ready for the picking.

This is his eighth season, I believe; a lot of folks see the price tag, the injuries, and I guess wonder if resetting for a guy on a rookie deal is better. If we can get the middle of the line stable and playing at a high level, I'm much more open to tinkering at LT. For now, though, I want someone of Cam's caliber on the edge. I still don't know if Little is that guy.

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Interesting.

I did a search and saw three speculative articles. 

I mean, if they really feel that good about Little, I guess I get it, but I don't think that's how this staff/FO will play it.
I think they want all the starter-quality healthy pieces they can have this season after last year's attrition.

Depends on the value you can get. If he warrants a 4th or 5th RD pick on a bad football team in need of a LT they might go for it.

Especially if Little can start and Foster is the new swing tackle. If somebody offered me a 3rd RD pick for Robinson right now I wouldn't blink.

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Keeping TLaw upright is worth so very much more than a day 3 afterthought.

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The first sack I put on Lawrence. Seemed dialed in on the left side of the field. Didn't look right at all nor sense the pressure.

Engram was breaking wide open down the middle.

The second sack was just Fortner being Fortner. At this point, he's playing like a 3rd day afterthought.

Trade him for a 6th and sign a better back up.

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I still can't figure out why Cam Robinson is expected to be cut, he's only 28 and seems to be holding down the position.  The coaching staff has shown that they don't believe in Walker Little as a full-time starter IMO.  Can someone explain it?

The last time he played a full season was 2020. I agree that he is a good tackle. He's not an All-Pro, but I think that some expect that level of play from a guys who's played on the tag and gotten pretty hefty deals to stick around.  Last year's suspension didn't help, either.

I don't really have a problem with his play, and injuries are a part of the game for his position. He's good. I think a lot of people are looking for great. Truth is, the OT tree just doesn't have a lot of great fruit ready for the picking.

This is his eighth season, I believe; a lot of folks see the price tag, the injuries, and I guess wonder if resetting for a guy on a rookie deal is better. If we can get the middle of the line stable and playing at a high level, I'm much more open to tinkering at LT. For now, though, I want someone of Cam's caliber on the edge. I still don't know if Little is that guy.

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Depends on the value you can get. If he warrants a 4th or 5th RD pick on a bad football team in need of a LT they might go for it.

Especially if Little can start and Foster is the new swing tackle. If somebody offered me a 3rd RD pick for Robinson right now I wouldn't blink.

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Keeping TLaw upright is worth so very much more than a day 3 afterthought.

But I thought Tugboat was the savior for our line worries? Imagine what we can get if we pick a lineman 100 picks earlier!!!

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