YBro, you literally said "What I found odd after looking at preseason snaps is all the back up players that had taken them at RG were no longer on the roster."

Scherff is the starter and and that makes Tugboat the backup at Right Guard. So no, one of the backup players that took snaps at RG is in fact on the roster; Tugboat is the back up player who took snaps at Right Guard. 

Well crap, maybe I just need to proof better, I can't blame it on eyes unfortunately. Left Guard is the one, not Right Guard. ... my apologies  Going back to typing posts in word before posting....and I was referring to backups.

Hodges did play some LG during the preseason.

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No biggie. What's worrisome is all the snaps at LT. That seems like the wrong spot for Foster not only talent-wise but strategically. Next season, assuming Robinson departs, Harrison or Little would be superior LT options.

I'm probably overthinking, though. At least for now it looks like they're grooming Foster to be the future swing tackle.

Little has had more chances to be a starter, than any player in franchise history. 

He sure ain’t starting over Harrison, but in your scenario there is a good chance he starts next year.

Good chance Scherff will probably be gone before Robinson. Harrison will be the LT and Hodges your LG or possibly your RT, that leaves Little playing G.

Hodges will be a guard, not a tackle. I think the team now correctly sees Little as a tackle only -- and a left tackle ideally.

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Little has had more chances to be a starter, than any player in franchise history. 

He sure ain’t starting over Harrison, but in your scenario there is a good chance he starts next year.

Good chance Scherff will probably be gone before Robinson. Harrison will be the LT and Hodges your LG or possibly your RT, that leaves Little playing G.

Hodges will be a guard, not a tackle. I think the team now correctly sees Little as a tackle only -- and a left tackle ideally.

It will matter little though as both Little and Robinson will be gone next year. Likely Scherff as well.

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Hodges will be a guard, not a tackle. I think the team now correctly sees Little as a tackle only -- and a left tackle ideally.

It will matter little though as both Little and Robinson will be gone next year. Likely Scherff as well.

Most likely true as we have 6 picks in the top 133 or so. ( depends on how many comp picks)  Going to be watching the o-lines during college games this year. That is unless one of them decides to take a very team friendly deal.

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It will matter little though as both Little and Robinson will be gone next year. Likely Scherff as well.

Most likely true as we have 6 picks in the top 133 or so. ( depends on how many comp picks)  Going to be watching the o-lines during college games this year. That is unless one of them decides to take a very team friendly deal.

Yeah, I really don't see this FO ponying up big money for the already overpaid Cam Robinson, and we have no idea if Walker Little will even see the field enough this season enough to make this organization want to pay him either. 
I don't think he's done quite enough to make him part of the future plan.
Solid at tackle - borderline terrible at guard. 

I'd love to see this team take a tackle early in the next draft - then guard, and then center. 
Five picks between #17 and #107.
I'd love to see 3 of them used on OL.
Of course, I'd be shocked to see that happen as well given the amount of complacency shown by the Baalke/Pederson braintrust's treatment of this offensive line over the past few years.

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Most likely true as we have 6 picks in the top 133 or so. ( depends on how many comp picks)  Going to be watching the o-lines during college games this year. That is unless one of them decides to take a very team friendly deal.

Yeah, I really don't see this FO ponying up big money for the already overpaid Cam Robinson, and we have no idea if Walker Little will even see the field enough this season enough to make this organization want to pay him either. 
I don't think he's done quite enough to make him part of the future plan.
Solid at tackle - borderline terrible at guard. 

I'd love to see this team take a tackle early in the next draft - then guard, and then center. 
Five picks between #17 and #107.
I'd love to see 3 of them used on OL.
Of course, I'd be shocked to see that happen as well given the amount of complacency shown by the Baalke/Pederson braintrust's treatment of this offensive line over the past few years.

Say Little gets minimal playing time this year and basically looks the same on tape. How expensive would he actually be next year? 

I know people pay for projection/potential, but I feel he could be had at a discount.

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Lots of assumptions on the offensive line. Let’s see how it all plays out. It could range from everything from little never even seen the field to him getting on the field substantially and doing great, earning , a nice extension. Difficult to predict on that one.

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Someone else will pay Little more than the Jags will. The needs are too many around the League for him to take less here.

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Someone else will pay Little more than the Jags will. The needs are too many around the League for him to take less here.

I agree.  I think the odds of Little returning to the Jaguars are low.  First, it's obvious the Jaguars' coaching staff don't see Little as a legitimate starter.  If they did, they had multiple opportunities to let Cam go and save a truck load of money, but the Jaguars refused to do so.  Second, I can't imagine that Little would want to return here given #1.  Some team will likely hand Little a starting job, but if not, some team will at least give him a legitimate opportunity to win one.  Given his past experience, I doubt he would have confidence that such an opportunity exists here.  He will want to go elsewhere.

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Yeah, I really don't see this FO ponying up big money for the already overpaid Cam Robinson, and we have no idea if Walker Little will even see the field enough this season enough to make this organization want to pay him either. 
I don't think he's done quite enough to make him part of the future plan.
Solid at tackle - borderline terrible at guard. 

I'd love to see this team take a tackle early in the next draft - then guard, and then center. 
Five picks between #17 and #107.
I'd love to see 3 of them used on OL.
Of course, I'd be shocked to see that happen as well given the amount of complacency shown by the Baalke/Pederson braintrust's treatment of this offensive line over the past few years.

Say Little gets minimal playing time this year and basically looks the same on tape. How expensive would he actually be next year? 

I know people pay for projection/potential, but I feel he could be had at a discount.

If there is a team out there in need of a tackle and their Dir. of pro player personnel has a positive file on Walker - he'll be paid handsomely. 

Not sure the odds of that, but I figure there's a good chance someone in the 32 front offices may value him more than our own staff.  

Of course, he could also be pushed into playing time this year and show out enough to get our own FO out ahead of the market to retain him.

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The O-Line is really an enigma. Apparently it was a problem last year, but later in the year when the team was losing the O-Line was pretty much what we will see this year, apart from center. At the beginning of the season when the team was winning we had Little, Bartch, Fortner starting …. Which makes me believe the issues were elsewhere (wrong Mix of WR)

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The O-Line is really an enigma. Apparently it was a problem last year, but later in the year when the team was losing the O-Line was pretty much what we will see this year, apart from center. At the beginning of the season when the team was winning we had Little, Bartch, Fortner starting …. Which makes me believe the issues were elsewhere (wrong Mix of WR)

Strength of schedule played a major role. We won the opener against a rookie QB. Proceeded to drop two in a row in embarrassing and typical fashion at home. We then beat up another rookie QB or 2nd year QB in London against Atlanta and we got into a slug fest with Buffalo and beat them in London, which, didn't surprise me. This team seems to have Buffalo's number as of late (I expect us to beat them in week three on MNF in BUF again this year). 

They then beat the clots again, the Saints and Squeelers. All of those teams had issues with QB play last year and have to answer for it this year. This team really got exposed after the bye week. San Francisco whacked us. We bounced back against two divisional rivals. The turning point was the MNF loss to the Bengals in OT where the downward spiral. This point has been beaten into the ground by now.

This team was never the same after Lawrence's ankle injury and Kirk's core injury. They then proceeded to get their [BLEEP] handed to them by tougher defensive opponents. Cleveland, Baltimore, Tampa Bay, etc. This team isn't that far off though. That's why I find it interesting that this team is being slept on in 2024 with an easier schedule and some big upgrades on defense. 

The offensive line is also not the same. Robinson is better than Little at LT. Cleveland was not here at LG. Fortner is replaced by Morse. The only returning aspect that was the same from last year is Scherff and Harrison (recovered from shoulder injury). Big difference in my opinion. Last year's offensive line between LT - C was a hot mess off and on.

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No comp picks incoming next year.

I think this is Schreff and Robinson’s last year on the team, but the team resigns Little. No intel, just a hunch based on Baalke’s prior history. But also plenty of draft capital as others have mentioned.

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Respect the game.  Play with a sense of urgency. 


1.)  Take care of the ball.  Win the turnover battle.

2.)  It's all about 3rd down.  Win on 3rd down to win the game.

3.) Playmakers make plays.  The only reason that you put your uniform on is to make plays. In order to EARN your paycheck, you must make plays.  

Learn from the great collapse of 2023.  

The O-Line is really an enigma. Apparently it was a problem last year, but later in the year when the team was losing the O-Line was pretty much what we will see this year, apart from center. At the beginning of the season when the team was winning we had Little, Bartch, Fortner starting …. Which makes me believe the issues were elsewhere (wrong Mix of WR)

I see no mystery. 

The OL was bad early in the season like many of us expected it to be following the 2022 season when they were the 31st ranked team in pass protection. The primary difference from 22 to 23 was that they also got worse in run blocking. 

The receivers had little to do with the collapse outside of losing Kirk for 5 games which definitely hurt. 
Even Ridley's miscues of drops and not looking for the ball early when he knew TL was under pressure quickly were only a minor contributor to the disappointing results. 

Even when the OL had its "starters" in place late in the season, two of them were playing through injury and they'd had no time together to gel. They were not good. 

The OL at the bye-week in 2023 was ranked 30th in pass protection win rate and 31st in run block win rate.
Those numbers only moved up to 27th and 29th by season's end. 
They sucked pretty consistently all season outside of 2 or 3 games. 
The big hits on TL started piling up in week 5 and continued until the first week of December when Lawrence racked up his third injury and had to miss time. It's amazing he was able to do what he did in spite of all of that IMO. 

The only hope we had entering this season was that the worst of the 5 linemen was replaced by an above average starter in Morse and that Ezra Cleveland might return to his 2022/early-2023 form once healed up over the offseason.

Of course Cleveland is now playing through yet another injury and until we see him vs starters in reg season - we don't know how serious that is and how it might affect him.  

We just have to hope that Morse and "healthy?" Cleveland turn out to make a difference and that Pederson's rumored tweaks to the run blocking scheme/playbook have the desired effect.

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Yeah, I really don't see this FO ponying up big money for the already overpaid Cam Robinson, and we have no idea if Walker Little will even see the field enough this season enough to make this organization want to pay him either. 
I don't think he's done quite enough to make him part of the future plan.
Solid at tackle - borderline terrible at guard. 

I'd love to see this team take a tackle early in the next draft - then guard, and then center. 
Five picks between #17 and #107.
I'd love to see 3 of them used on OL.
Of course, I'd be shocked to see that happen as well given the amount of complacency shown by the Baalke/Pederson braintrust's treatment of this offensive line over the past few years.

Say Little gets minimal playing time this year and basically looks the same on tape. How expensive would he actually be next year? 

I know people pay for projection/potential, but I feel he could be had at a discount.

It's kinda the same argument as with Mac - he has some starting experience, chances are he'll pursue the chance to start elsewhere if it's not in the plan here. It's not just about expense. Someone will see potential and roll the dice.

Either that, or we overpay the going rate for a swing tackle and keep him here.

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The O-Line is really an enigma. Apparently it was a problem last year, but later in the year when the team was losing the O-Line was pretty much what we will see this year, apart from center. At the beginning of the season when the team was winning we had Little, Bartch, Fortner starting …. Which makes me believe the issues were elsewhere (wrong Mix of WR)

I see no mystery. 

The OL was bad early in the season like many of us expected it to be following the 2022 season when they were the 31st ranked team in pass protection. The primary difference from 22 to 23 was that they also got worse in run blocking. 

The receivers had little to do with the collapse outside of losing Kirk for 5 games which definitely hurt. 
Even Ridley's miscues of drops and not looking for the ball early when he knew TL was under pressure quickly were only a minor contributor to the disappointing results. 

Even when the OL had its "starters" in place late in the season, two of them were playing through injury and they'd had no time together to gel. They were not good. 

The OL at the bye-week in 2023 was ranked 30th in pass protection win rate and 31st in run block win rate.
Those numbers only moved up to 27th and 29th by season's end. 
They sucked pretty consistently all season outside of 2 or 3 games. 
The big hits on TL started piling up in week 5 and continued until the first week of December when Lawrence racked up his third injury and had to miss time. It's amazing he was able to do what he did in spite of all of that IMO. 

The only hope we had entering this season was that the worst of the 5 linemen was replaced by an above average starter in Morse and that Ezra Cleveland might return to his 2022/early-2023 form once healed up over the offseason.

Of course Cleveland is now playing through yet another injury and until we see him vs starters in reg season - we don't know how serious that is and how it might affect him.  

We just have to hope that Morse and "healthy?" Cleveland turn out to make a difference and that Pederson's rumored tweaks to the run blocking scheme/playbook have the desired effect.

I watched the 49ers game-in-40 again yesterday and it was such a bad and weird game. But you are right that the O-Line was so bad that it ruined the whole offense and mightily sped-up Trevor. Also Ridley was non-existant in that game and Trevor already had some knee issues. But at halftime it was « only » 13-3 until Lloyd have up a huge TD to Kettle and then the offense had a few really bad turnovers and the 49ers scored every tie. My point is, the O-Line did not do well but, at least in this game, it was certainly not the only problem. But you know who was really bad in the game? Walker Little at LG. Struggled big time.

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Because he's not a guard, never was. He's a left tackle but can't seem to beat out Cam, likely because millions of dollars don't sit on the bench.

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Yeah … or maybe Little is not consistent enough? Maybe with Cleveland playing there full-time and having had a whole offseason we do have two new players on the O-Line in him, essentially, and Morse? We are about to find out I guess

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In regards to the Dolphins game, the OL *should* be able to dominate this game. No Christian Wilkins, no Chubb, Jalean Phillips on a limited snap count and Chop can't play the run.

This is prime spot for the OL to takeover.

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In regards to the Dolphins game, the OL *should* be able to dominate this game. No Christian Wilkins, no Chubb, Jalean Phillips on a limited snap count and Chop can't play the run.

This is prime spot for the OL to takeover.

I agree with this. I would test them early. Primarily running towards our left side in favor of Cam and Ezra getting out and downhill potentially. Would like to see them do some interesting things from under center as well. 

Get a split backfield with Etienne and Bigsby along with Engram in motion. Maybe catch a LB or S peaking early and take a long shot deep to BTJ or Davis, right over Jalen's head to be exact.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."