So, you're saying those in charge of Capitol security KNEW something big was going to happen but failed to implement additional security measures to safeguard the building and its occupants?  Wow, it's almost like they WANTED it to happen.

They did have additional security.  They had enough to prevent harm to officials.  They just didn't have enough to keep people out of the building or enough to maintain order in the building.  They underestimated. 

They did not want it to happen.

Trump wanted it to happen.

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They wanted it so much the capital police opened the locked doors and escorted folks around the building as if giving a tour.

To direct them away from the house chamber.

There's the naive opinion stated as fact! It's the hallmark last vestige of Mikesez losing another debate.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

They did have additional security.  They had enough to prevent harm to officials.  They just didn't have enough to keep people out of the building or enough to maintain order in the building.  They underestimated. 

They did not want it to happen.

Trump wanted it to happen.

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To direct them away from the house chamber.

There's the naive opinion stated as fact! It's the hallmark last vestige of Mikesez losing another debate.

So you think Pelosi wanted Congress to be attacked, but Trump didn't?

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There's the naive opinion stated as fact! It's the hallmark last vestige of Mikesez losing another debate.

So you think Pelosi wanted Congress to be attacked, but Trump didn't?

I think the evidence is exactly as you say. Trump wanted protest, Pelosi wanted chaos, and thanks to the Fed plants in the crowd she got it.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

So you think Pelosi wanted Congress to be attacked, but Trump didn't?

I think the evidence is exactly as you say. Trump wanted protest, Pelosi wanted chaos, and thanks to the Fed plants in the crowd she got it.

Was Ashli Babbitt a Fed plant?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Prove it.
I'm the only one here explaining my opinion.
Explain yours.

You've posted 12,576 evidences of my opinion of you.

I literally laughed out loud at this comment. Especially the bolded part.

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So, you're saying those in charge of Capitol security KNEW something big was going to happen but failed to implement additional security measures to safeguard the building and its occupants?  Wow, it's almost like they WANTED it to happen.

They did have additional security.  They had enough to prevent harm to officials.  They just didn't have enough to keep people out of the building or enough to maintain order in the building.  They underestimated. 

They did not want it to happen.

Trump wanted it to happen.

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They wanted it so much the capital police opened the locked doors and escorted folks around the building as if giving a tour.

To direct them away from the house chamber.

So what clear evidence is there of your fantasy?

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Prove it.
I'm the only one here explaining my opinion.
Explain yours.

You've posted 12,576 evidences of my opinion of you.

I'm not asking about your opinion of me.  I don't care about that.  I was asking you to explain your opinion of who Reagan would support if he were still alive.

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For the last 3 1/2 years, you've been telling us that those officials were in serious danger.  Now, you're saying there was sufficient security in place to protect them from harm.  

You keep on throwing out irrelevant facts as if they disprove anything I said.
If two men break into my house and try to rob me while I'm home, but my shotgun is adequate to scare them off, does that mean my life was never in danger? Does that mean they committed no crime?

LOL.  That the difference between us, I throw out actual facts.  

Yes, if there was sufficient security to "prevent harm to officials" (as you now claim), their lives were never in danger (as you previously claimed).

I checked 3 dictionaries, Webster's, Cambridge and mikesez.  in 2 out of 3, dying is considered harmful to one's health.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

There's the naive opinion stated as fact! It's the hallmark last vestige of Mikesez losing another debate.

So you think Pelosi wanted Congress to be attacked, but Trump didn't?

Pelosi and the liberals would want to paint Trump and the Republicans in the worst light possible and what better way to do that then to use the situation to create chaos. Pelosi's inaction (by not activating the National Guard to help with crowd control) pretty much guaranteed chaos. Relying on the small number of Capitol police to control the crowds they were expecting is a JV move and Pelosi is not JV.

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They did have additional security.  They had enough to prevent harm to officials.  They just didn't have enough to keep people out of the building or enough to maintain order in the building.  They underestimated. 

They did not want it to happen.

Trump wanted it to happen.

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To direct them away from the house chamber.

So what clear evidence is there of your fantasy?

Well, here are four things that might have happened.  And if they happened, together, they would be clear evidence that Trump wanted the violent riot to happen. 

1) Did he say he was going to go to the Capitol with his followers?
2) Was he aware in real time that the crowd got violent and the building was breached?
3) Was he aware that the crowd was carrying flags and signs indicating they supported him?
4) Did he wait about three hours before asking his supporters to go home?

It's a little more complicated than that, but not much more.

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You keep on throwing out irrelevant facts as if they disprove anything I said.
If two men break into my house and try to rob me while I'm home, but my shotgun is adequate to scare them off, does that mean my life was never in danger? Does that mean they committed no crime?

LOL.  That the difference between us, I throw out actual facts.  

Yes, if there was sufficient security to "prevent harm to officials" (as you now claim), their lives were never in danger (as you previously claimed).

I checked 3 dictionaries, Webster's, Cambridge and mikesez.  in 2 out of 3, dying is considered harmful to one's health.

Did they know at the time that their lives were not in danger?
Did the police know when the battle began that they would win?

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So you think Pelosi wanted Congress to be attacked, but Trump didn't?

Pelosi and the liberals would want to paint Trump and the Republicans in the worst light possible and what better way to do that then to use the situation to create chaos. Pelosi's inaction (by not activating the National Guard to help with crowd control) pretty much guaranteed chaos. Relying on the small number of Capitol police to control the crowds they were expecting is a JV move and Pelosi is not JV.

But don't you remember that recording of Pelosi talking to her daughter? Where she said the inadequate number of security staff was her fault? Did she sound like someone who did that on purpose, or like someone who made a mistake?

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So what clear evidence is there of your fantasy?

Well, here are four things that might have happened.  And if they happened, together, they would be clear evidence that Trump wanted the violent riot to happen. 

1) Did he say he was going to go to the Capitol with his followers?
2) Was he aware in real time that the crowd got violent and the building was breached?
3) Was he aware that the crowd was carrying flags and signs indicating they supported him?
4) Did he wait about three hours before asking his supporters to go home?

It's a little more complicated than that, but not much more.

So it's "might have happened" and "if".  That's your clear evidence?

1.  He said during his speech (paraphrasing) "we will march down to the Capitol peacefully and let our voices be heard".

2.  There is no evidence that I have seen that he was aware of the few democrat plants that were getting violent.

3.  It was pretty obvious from the MSM that I watched that the mostly peaceful protestors were carrying flags and such in support of him.

4.  Did he "wait" or did he not find out that the democrat plants were causing chaos until about three hours had passed?

So you failed to provide any real proof or evidence that President Trump "wanted" the protest to happen.  Your statement is nothing more than your liberal fantasy.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Well, here are four things that might have happened.  And if they happened, together, they would be clear evidence that Trump wanted the violent riot to happen. 

1) Did he say he was going to go to the Capitol with his followers?
2) Was he aware in real time that the crowd got violent and the building was breached?
3) Was he aware that the crowd was carrying flags and signs indicating they supported him?
4) Did he wait about three hours before asking his supporters to go home?

It's a little more complicated than that, but not much more.

So it's "might have happened" and "if".  That's your clear evidence?

1.  He said during his speech (paraphrasing) "we will march down to the Capitol peacefully and let our voices be heard".

2.  There is no evidence that I have seen that he was aware of the few democrat plants that were getting violent.

3.  It was pretty obvious from the MSM that I watched that the mostly peaceful protestors were carrying flags and such in support of him.

4.  Did he "wait" or did he not find out that the democrat plants were causing chaos until about three hours had passed?

So you failed to provide any real proof or evidence that President Trump "wanted" the protest to happen.  Your statement is nothing more than your liberal fantasy.

Not to mention he had offered to both the Mayor and Pelosi to call up additional National Guard as a precaution due to the expected crowd size.  Both declined.

I mean if I were going to plan an insurrection I would make sure there were troops to stop my plan said nobody ever.  Give me a break.

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You've posted 12,576 evidences of my opinion of you.

I'm not asking about your opinion of me.  I don't care about that.  I was asking you to explain your opinion of who Reagan would support if he were still alive.

I have no opinion on that, but he'd laugh his [BLEEP] off at you trying to crib his notes.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Well, here are four things that might have happened.  And if they happened, together, they would be clear evidence that Trump wanted the violent riot to happen. 

1) Did he say he was going to go to the Capitol with his followers?
2) Was he aware in real time that the crowd got violent and the building was breached?
3) Was he aware that the crowd was carrying flags and signs indicating they supported him?
4) Did he wait about three hours before asking his supporters to go home?

It's a little more complicated than that, but not much more.

So it's "might have happened" and "if".  That's your clear evidence?

1.  He said during his speech (paraphrasing) "we will march down to the Capitol peacefully and let our voices be heard".

2.  There is no evidence that I have seen that he was aware of the few democrat plants that were getting violent.

3.  It was pretty obvious from the MSM that I watched that the mostly peaceful protestors were carrying flags and such in support of him.

4.  Did he "wait" or did he not find out that the democrat plants were causing chaos until about three hours had passed?

So you failed to provide any real proof or evidence that President Trump "wanted" the protest to happen.  Your statement is nothing more than your liberal fantasy.

1) he did say peacefully, yes, and at that time he may have thought it would be peaceful.

2 thru 4) the same media that showed the flags and the massive number of people also showed the violence and trespassing. How can you claim you saw one but not the other? If he saw one he saw the other.  Sworn testimony from people who were in the room with him says he was watching Fox News from when he arrived back at the White House to when he finally did the video tweet. He also took phone calls from members of Congress from his party, begging him to tell the rioters to leave.

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I'm not asking about your opinion of me.  I don't care about that.  I was asking you to explain your opinion of who Reagan would support if he were still alive.

I have no opinion on that, but he'd laugh his [BLEEP] off at you trying to crib his notes.

I'm here to discuss Reagan and Trump and you're here to discuss me.

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I think there's a very good chance of that.  Beyond policy differences, I think Ronald Reagan would have detested Donald Trump personally.  Reagan got along with everyone, and was a good-natured person.  I won't go over Trump's personality problems and peculiarities again, but personality-wise, he's about as far from Ronald Reagan as he could be.

Regardless, I get to riff on famous Reagan quotes, and so do you, and FSG, and everyone else.  It's fun! Eat some jelly beans and chill the F out, y'all.

Has Trump ever told a joke?  Has he ever laughed at anything?  

Reagan could tell a joke, and he could laugh at himself.

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Trump tells jokes all the time. He just doesn't laugh at them.

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So what clear evidence is there of your fantasy?

Well, here are four things that might have happened.  And if they happened, together, they would be clear evidence that Trump wanted the violent riot to happen. 

1) Did he say he was going to go to the Capitol with his followers?
2) Was he aware in real time that the crowd got violent and the building was breached?
3) Was he aware that the crowd was carrying flags and signs indicating they supported him?
4) Did he wait about three hours before asking his supporters to go home?

It's a little more complicated than that, but not much more.

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LOL.  That the difference between us, I throw out actual facts.  

Yes, if there was sufficient security to "prevent harm to officials" (as you now claim), their lives were never in danger (as you previously claimed).

I checked 3 dictionaries, Webster's, Cambridge and mikesez.  in 2 out of 3, dying is considered harmful to one's health.

Did they know at the time that their lives were not in danger?
Did the police know when the battle began that they would win?

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Pelosi and the liberals would want to paint Trump and the Republicans in the worst light possible and what better way to do that then to use the situation to create chaos. Pelosi's inaction (by not activating the National Guard to help with crowd control) pretty much guaranteed chaos. Relying on the small number of Capitol police to control the crowds they were expecting is a JV move and Pelosi is not JV.

But don't you remember that recording of Pelosi talking to her daughter? Where she said the inadequate number of security staff was her fault? Did she sound like someone who did that on purpose, or like someone who made a mistake?

Do you really think she was going to twirl the ends of her mustache while giving an evil laugh and admit to anything on camera? Or do you think having her daughter be the one in charge of the camera is the perfect way to get whatever narrative out that she wanted?

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Well, here are four things that might have happened.  And if they happened, together, they would be clear evidence that Trump wanted the violent riot to happen. 

1) Did he say he was going to go to the Capitol with his followers?
2) Was he aware in real time that the crowd got violent and the building was breached?
3) Was he aware that the crowd was carrying flags and signs indicating they supported him?
4) Did he wait about three hours before asking his supporters to go home?

It's a little more complicated than that, but not much more.

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Did they know at the time that their lives were not in danger?
Did the police know when the battle began that they would win?

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But don't you remember that recording of Pelosi talking to her daughter? Where she said the inadequate number of security staff was her fault? Did she sound like someone who did that on purpose, or like someone who made a mistake?

Do you really think she was going to twirl the ends of her mustache while giving an evil laugh and admit to anything on camera? Or do you think having her daughter be the one in charge of the camera is the perfect way to get whatever narrative out that she wanted?

The video came out much later, and it was promoted by right wingers. Right wingers who think that Pelosi admitting fault about anything means Trump is absolved of everything. It wasn't Pelosi's idea to put that out.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Well, here are four things that might have happened.  And if they happened, together, they would be clear evidence that Trump wanted the violent riot to happen. 

1) Did he say he was going to go to the Capitol with his followers?
2) Was he aware in real time that the crowd got violent and the building was breached?
3) Was he aware that the crowd was carrying flags and signs indicating they supported him?
4) Did he wait about three hours before asking his supporters to go home?

It's a little more complicated than that, but not much more.

So it's "might have happened" and "if".  That's your clear evidence?

1.  He said during his speech (paraphrasing) "we will march down to the Capitol peacefully and let our voices be heard".

2.  There is no evidence that I have seen that he was aware of the few democrat plants that were getting violent.

3.  It was pretty obvious from the MSM that I watched that the mostly peaceful protestors were carrying flags and such in support of him.

4.  Did he "wait" or did he not find out that the democrat plants were causing chaos until about three hours had passed?

So you failed to provide any real proof or evidence that President Trump "wanted" the protest to happen.  Your statement is nothing more than your liberal fantasy.

You're missing the point here. The main thing is that he tried to overturn the election by urging Mike Pence not to certify the election results. If Pence had complied, the plan was then to throw the vote to the House of Representatives, where Republicans held a majority and could have chosen Trump to be the new president... if enough of them were on board with his plan. And a lot of them were.


Also, call it what you want, we all know what happened on January 6th. Trump hosted a "Stop the Steal" rally in DC and told his supporters to go to the Capitol. The protest became a riot, they broke into the Capitol and fought with the Capitol Police. All in an attempt to stop Congress's certification of the election results. Trump, as POTUS and commander-in-chief, watched for hours in glee as this happened, refusing to do anything to defuse the situation. 

 This is obviously extremely disqualifying for Trump, and it's insane that anyone still thinks he's fit for office. He's a deranged lunatic.

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Do you really think she was going to twirl the ends of her mustache while giving an evil laugh and admit to anything on camera? Or do you think having her daughter be the one in charge of the camera is the perfect way to get whatever narrative out that she wanted?

The video came out much later, and it was promoted by right wingers. Right wingers who think that Pelosi admitting fault about anything means Trump is absolved of everything. It wasn't Pelosi's idea to put that out.

Her daughter was the one who filmed her. And regardless, she knew she was being filmed, do you think she was going to admit it was a set up? With a camera in her face?

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???