TDoss already brought up one left wing caricature of Republicans "They only care about babies before they're born."
He was proven wrong.
But here's another "If they don't personally have the problem themselves, they don't see it as a problem for anyone." I suppose all of you guys are living comfortably with affordable rent or mortgage payments? Is there a housing shortage in the US, or not?

Absolutely!

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

TDoss already brought up one left wing caricature of Republicans "They only care about babies before they're born."
He was proven wrong.
But here's another "If they don't personally have the problem themselves, they don't see it as a problem for anyone." I suppose all of you guys are living comfortably with affordable rent or mortgage payments? Is there a housing shortage in the US, or not?

Absolutely!

Is there anything the federal government can or should do about that shortage?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

TDoss already brought up one left wing caricature of Republicans "They only care about babies before they're born."
He was proven wrong.
But here's another "If they don't personally have the problem themselves, they don't see it as a problem for anyone." I suppose all of you guys are living comfortably with affordable rent or mortgage payments? Is there a housing shortage in the US, or not?

No mortgage payment here but I see my children struggle with the outrageous rent.  It's why I brought up corporations buying up whole neighborhoods which is causing the housing shortage.  I just don't know how to fix it.  Sure you can build more houses but who builds them?  The same corporations that are buying up existing housing.  I don't believe government intervention is the answer either.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

TDoss already brought up one left wing caricature of Republicans "They only care about babies before they're born."
He was proven wrong.
But here's another "If they don't personally have the problem themselves, they don't see it as a problem for anyone." I suppose all of you guys are living comfortably with affordable rent or mortgage payments? Is there a housing shortage in the US, or not?

No mortgage payment here but I see my children struggle with the outrageous rent.  It's why I brought up corporations buying up whole neighborhoods which is causing the housing shortage.  I just don't know how to fix it.  Sure you can build more houses but who builds them?  The same corporations that are buying up existing housing.  I don't believe government intervention is the answer either.

In many areas you literally can't build more houses. Because of zoning. We can literally build homes in factories, but cities and towns won't permit them to be installed because they either don't want any new homes, or they want all new homes to be McMansions.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Absolutely!

Is there anything the federal government can or should do about that shortage?

Yes!

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Is there anything the federal government can or should do about that shortage?

Yes!

What should they do?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Yes!

What should they do?

Start deporting all of the illegal aliens as a first step.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

What should they do?

Start deporting all of the illegal aliens as a first step.

I mean I want a unicorn too, but I think the plan should start on a plausible foundation and maybe build from there.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Start deporting all of the illegal aliens as a first step.

I mean I want a unicorn too, but I think the plan should start on a plausible foundation and maybe build from there.

So defending out border is not plausible to you? We get rid of about 20 million illegals and housing will get better as will the job market.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I mean I want a unicorn too, but I think the plan should start on a plausible foundation and maybe build from there.

So defending out border is not plausible to you? We get rid of about 20 million illegals and housing will get better as will the job market.

Defending the border is perfectly plausible.
Kicking some people out is also plausible.
Kicking them all out is not plausible.
Kicking out enough to make a dent in the housing market is not plausible, especially considering that losing their labor will slow the building of new homes.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

So defending out border is not plausible to you? We get rid of about 20 million illegals and housing will get better as will the job market.

Defending the border is perfectly plausible.
Kicking some people out is also plausible.
Kicking them all out is not plausible.
Kicking out enough to make a dent in the housing market is not plausible, especially considering that losing their labor will slow the building of new homes.

So you condone legitimate home builders utilizing illegal labor?

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Defending the border is perfectly plausible.
Kicking some people out is also plausible.
Kicking them all out is not plausible.
Kicking out enough to make a dent in the housing market is not plausible, especially considering that losing their labor will slow the building of new homes.

So you condone legitimate home builders utilizing illegal labor?

I acknowledge it.  Is it wrong to say that if the illegal labor disappeared tomorrow, the pace of new homes construction would slow down, at least temporarily? Of course it would.  It's a tough problem.  Which is a higher priority?  It's hard. But I do think you can clamp down on the border and send some folks home and really send a message to people who are not yet here that they need to have permission before they come while not disrupting the labor market too much.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

So you condone legitimate home builders utilizing illegal labor?

I acknowledge it.  Is it wrong to say that if the illegal labor disappeared tomorrow, the pace of new homes construction would slow down, at least temporarily? Of course it would.  It's a tough problem.  Which is a higher priority?  It's hard. But I do think you can clamp down on the border and send some folks home and really send a message to people who are not yet here that they need to have permission before they come while not disrupting the labor market too much.

Interest rates are what slowed down the housing market, not labor. You can thank your people for that.

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I acknowledge it.  Is it wrong to say that if the illegal labor disappeared tomorrow, the pace of new homes construction would slow down, at least temporarily? Of course it would.  It's a tough problem.  Which is a higher priority?  It's hard. But I do think you can clamp down on the border and send some folks home and really send a message to people who are not yet here that they need to have permission before they come while not disrupting the labor market too much.

Interest rates are what slowed down the housing market, not labor. You can thank your people for that.

The housing shortage in big West coast cities is over 40 years old.  In Florida it's less of course.  In central Florida, the rent spiked before the interest rates spiked. 
You're right that the high interest rates are making things worse, and you're correct to blame those rates on Biden's early policy choices, but the interest rates didn't start the problem.  Bad zoning did.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Mikesez believs the lie. As in all things his naivete serves his hubris.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Mikesez believs the lie. As in all things his naivete serves his hubris.

What lie?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

All of them, from what I can tell.

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In this case it's the illegals have to do the jobs Americans won’t lie.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

In this case it's the illegals have to do the jobs Americans won’t lie.

That's not what I said.
Now you're lying. About me. Again.

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All of them, from what I can tell.

Is there a housing shortage?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

In this case it's the illegals have to do the jobs Americans won’t lie.

That's not what I said.
Now you're lying. About me. Again.

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All of them, from what I can tell.

Is there a housing shortage?

It's no lie to cut through all the bull [BLEEP] you spew to obfuscate what you actually think and drill into the basic falsehoods of your beliefs. It saves us all a ton of time.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato