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2025 Draft position

#1

Going to keep track of this throughout the year.  As of now it looks like we will be heading towards a top 5 pick once again.  After week 2 we are picking 4th.  We can likely get the top tackle available picking at 4.
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(09-16-2024, 08:45 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Going to keep track of this throughout the year.  As of now it looks like we will be heading towards a top 5 pick once again.  After week 2 we are picking 4th.  We can likely get the top tackle available picking at 4.

And a monster guard in round two!
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#3

(09-17-2024, 08:44 AM)Mikey Wrote:
(09-16-2024, 08:45 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Going to keep track of this throughout the year.  As of now it looks like we will be heading towards a top 5 pick once again.  After week 2 we are picking 4th.  We can likely get the top tackle available picking at 4.

And a monster guard in round two!

Chiefs Humphrey and Smith will be FAs at season end.  Both will get huge contracts and I don't think the Chiefs will be able to sign both.  Hopefully can sign one of them but Tate Ratledge is one of my favorite players in the draft and I'd be very happy to add him.
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#4

Humphrey got his deal at the beginning of the season. He's making Jawaan Taylor money now!
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#5

Not worried about draft position, but I really hope can hit on 2 interior linemen prior to the 5th.
So tired of seeing no pocket for the QB and no push for runs between tackles.
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(This post was last modified: 09-18-2024, 07:20 PM by flgatorsandjags.)

(09-18-2024, 12:13 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Not worried about draft position, but I really hope can hit on 2 interior linemen prior to the 5th.
So tired of seeing no pocket for the QB and no push for runs between tackles.

I care about draft position, I want the last pick in the draft, one of the playoff spot draft positios at the very least.  If we pick top 5 again it means we suck once again.
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#7
(This post was last modified: 09-18-2024, 11:19 PM by Jag149. Edited 1 time in total.)

Hey Am all for getting some stud linemen. Please no more "athletic ballerina" linemen who depend on hitting the opponent at a special angle. Why because if they don't they get knocked on their [BLEEP]. I was the guy who wanted to keep only our 3 tackles and Tugboat, poop can the rest and reload. Each of my mock drafts actually included 2 guards and a center in rounds 1 thru 5.
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#8

If Baalke is still here next year, he's already licking his chops at Tate Ratledge out of Georgia. He'll be missing some time now with MCL sprains in his left knee and a left ankle sprain. I honestly wouldn't mind him in RD2, early RD3.
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#9

After week 3 we sit at picking 1st overall lol
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#10

(09-24-2024, 06:55 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: After week 3 we sit at picking 1st overall lol

Unless things drastically change. At the minimum, this team is picking inside the top five next year in April. Should give you a shot at your pick of the litter with the OT position or CB position. For me, you either get the LT from Texas, the LT from LSU or Travis Hunter out of Colorado. 

Hicken was mentioning Sanders at QB and Beck at QB. No thanks. On both of them. Sanders in Colorado is already showing you that he can't do much neither unless his pass protection is top notch and his running game is there. Against ranked, quality teams, he's not impressive. I am a Bulldogs fan.

I'll flat out tell you. Not a fan of Carson Beck. Not a believer in him. I fully expect Alabama to thump their gourd's this Saturday and they'll fall out of the top five where they belong. Georgia plays nobody all year, and when they finally play a remotely decent football team? They play down to their level or [BLEEP] the bed. 

You're tied to Lawrence for five years on paper. Unless you're wanting to trade him away and willing to start over again. I am honestly against that. I would rather start over with a new VP, GM and HC, get the offensive line fixed, toughen up philosophically and try and salvage what's left of Lawrence. Maybe get a decent little Alex Smith type run out of him like the 49ers did and Chiefs did.
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#11

(09-24-2024, 09:57 AM)Caldrac Wrote:
(09-24-2024, 06:55 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: After week 3 we sit at picking 1st overall lol

Unless things drastically change. At the minimum, this team is picking inside the top five next year in April. Should give you a shot at your pick of the litter with the OT position or CB position. For me, you either get the LT from Texas, the LT from LSU or Travis Hunter out of Colorado. 

Hicken was mentioning Sanders at QB and Beck at QB. No thanks. On both of them. Sanders in Colorado is already showing you that he can't do much neither unless his pass protection is top notch and his running game is there. Against ranked, quality teams, he's not impressive. I am a Bulldogs fan.

I'll flat out tell you. Not a fan of Carson Beck. Not a believer in him. I fully expect Alabama to thump their gourd's this Saturday and they'll fall out of the top five where they belong. Georgia plays nobody all year, and when they finally play a remotely decent football team? They play down to their level or [BLEEP] the bed. 

You're tied to Lawrence for five years on paper. Unless you're wanting to trade him away and willing to start over again. I am honestly against that. I would rather start over with a new VP, GM and HC, get the offensive line fixed, toughen up philosophically and try and salvage what's left of Lawrence. Maybe get a decent little Alex Smith type run out of him like the 49ers did and Chiefs did.

Will Johnson might be the best player in this draft.  I'd love to add him as well and we would have our shutdown corner opposite Campbell.  He's one of the best corner to come out in years imo
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#12

(09-24-2024, 09:57 AM)Caldrac Wrote:
(09-24-2024, 06:55 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: After week 3 we sit at picking 1st overall lol

Unless things drastically change. At the minimum, this team is picking inside the top five next year in April. Should give you a shot at your pick of the litter with the OT position or CB position. For me, you either get the LT from Texas, the LT from LSU or Travis Hunter out of Colorado. 

Hicken was mentioning Sanders at QB and Beck at QB. No thanks. On both of them. Sanders in Colorado is already showing you that he can't do much neither unless his pass protection is top notch and his running game is there. Against ranked, quality teams, he's not impressive. I am a Bulldogs fan.

I'll flat out tell you. Not a fan of Carson Beck. Not a believer in him. I fully expect Alabama to thump their gourd's this Saturday and they'll fall out of the top five where they belong. Georgia plays nobody all year, and when they finally play a remotely decent football team? They play down to their level or [BLEEP] the bed. 

You're tied to Lawrence for five years on paper. Unless you're wanting to trade him away and willing to start over again. I am honestly against that. I would rather start over with a new VP, GM and HC, get the offensive line fixed, toughen up philosophically and try and salvage what's left of Lawrence. Maybe get a decent little Alex Smith type run out of him like the 49ers did and Chiefs did.

You take the full dead cap hit if you trade him.  It's not feasible until 2026 and even then it's an $88.5M hit, so still very unlikely until 2027.  But this is absurd to even fathom regardless.  There have been issues all around him these first 3 games.  You don't talk about trading the guy you just extended this offseason 3 games in where the ball is not bouncing your way AND guys are dropping passes that hit them in the hands on offense and missing assignments on both sides of the ball.

Gabe Davis and Arik Armstead both look like poor signings to me so Baalke looks like he'll finally get the axe by year's end for not addressing the o-line like many of us have mentioned for the past couple of years.  Rauscher probably needs to be let go assuming they have someone that can step in for him.  Either way, I give the bulk of this staff and front office until mid-November to see if they can get the team healthy and motived to dig themselves out of this mess and then start firing people when they don't and get a jump on the new HC/GM searches or bring in an EVP and let him get started on that.  Trevor is not going anywhere this year or next though.
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#13

As much as I'd love Hunter as a choice, we really need to upgrade our O-line and thankfully there are some very good prospects coming out.

Like Caldrac, I'm not a fan of Beck - he seems more like that game manager type where you have to build an entire team around him for him to play well, almost like Trevor in the NFL.

I'm staying away from Shedeur with a 10ft pole - don't need that circus show around if we're undergoing a rebuild. Plus, if he's having issues with opposing pass rushers just wait until he gets in the NFL where players at faster/bigger/stronger - and the passing windows are very narrow.

If anything, I'd wait for the following year for QBs.

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#14

If the Jags fall off that bad they have a top 5 pick, they should trade down. They have a number of holes already and will have more when the new GM sheds some salary on the team. If Baalke is somehow still involved in the Jags organization, then well their are screwed no matter what.
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(This post was last modified: 09-25-2024, 01:33 PM by Caldrac. Edited 1 time in total.)

(09-24-2024, 05:38 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: If the Jags fall off that bad they have a top 5 pick, they should trade down. They have a number of holes already and will have more when the new GM sheds some salary on the team. If Baalke is somehow still involved in the Jags organization, then well their are screwed no matter what.

I don't think you trade down in this scenario. Especially if we keep hanging our hats on this offensive line being the bane of the team's existence. You have Cam Robinson and Walker Little more than likely not coming back in the off season. That's a starting LT job and swing tackle job left wide open.

I think if Anton Harrison continues his struggles, there's no way I am moving him over from RT to LT in 2025. He stays at RT while I draft a pure LT coming out of college with that top five selection for Trevor's sake or ANY QB's sake really. Baalke doesn't survive this year. 

If anything, I am trying to trade UP in next year's draft to ensure I am addressing the offensive line with quality football players. I want Scherff's replacement in RD2 drafted and Morse's future replacement drafted in RD3. LT - RG - OC all drafted in that order.

There's absolutely no way Baalke survives this year if they fall that far down as a football team. His nuts are already on the chopping block as it stands today after that loss in Buffalo. He'll be the first one [BLEEP] canned. Just like the whole Dave Caldwell, Doug Marrone situation. GM goes first. HC goes second.
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#16

Just for fun, with the NFL Mock Draft Pro Simulator, we did end up having the #1 overall selection:

1. Will Campbell - OT - LSU
35. Jonah Savaniinaea - OG - Arizona
66. Rod Moore - S - Michigan
96. Jack Nelson - OT/OG/OC - Wisconsin
102. Bear Alexander - DT - USC
133. Will Lee III - CB - Texas A&M
141. David Bailey - EDGE - Stanford
177. Harold Fannin Jr. - TE - Bowling Green
205. Xavier Restrepo - Slot WR - Miami, FL
215. Donovan Smith - QB - Houston

Yall welcome!
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#17
(This post was last modified: 09-25-2024, 04:54 PM by rpr52121. Edited 2 times in total.)

(09-25-2024, 01:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(09-24-2024, 05:38 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: If the Jags fall off that bad they have a top 5 pick, they should trade down. They have a number of holes already and will have more when the new GM sheds some salary on the team. If Baalke is somehow still involved in the Jags organization, then well their are screwed no matter what.

I don't think you trade down in this scenario. Especially if we keep hanging our hats on this offensive line being the bane of the team's existence. You have Cam Robinson and Walker Little more than likely not coming back in the off season. That's a starting LT job and swing tackle job left wide open.

I think if Anton Harrison continues his struggles, there's no way I am moving him over from RT to LT in 2025. He stays at RT while I draft a pure LT coming out of college with that top five selection for Trevor's sake or ANY QB's sake really. Baalke doesn't survive this year. 

If anything, I am trying to trade UP in next year's draft to ensure I am addressing the offensive line with quality football players. I want Scherff's replacement in RD2 drafted and Morse's future replacement drafted in RD3. LT - RG - OC all drafted in that order.

There's absolutely no way Baalke survives this year if they fall that far down as a football team. His nuts are already on the chopping block as it stands today after that loss in Buffalo. He'll be the first one [BLEEP] canned. Just like the whole Dave Caldwell, Doug Marrone situation. GM goes first. HC goes second.

I was more suggesting trading down out of the top 10 as it looks like the 1st round will be deep again at the tackle position and there may be 5 first round QB's again pushing OL down more. So you can still address the position well in the teens than at say #3-8, and using the assets to get your guys in rounds 2/3/4.
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(This post was last modified: 09-25-2024, 05:01 PM by Caldrac.)

(09-25-2024, 04:51 PM)rpr52121 Wrote:
(09-25-2024, 01:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote: I don't think you trade down in this scenario. Especially if we keep hanging our hats on this offensive line being the bane of the team's existence. You have Cam Robinson and Walker Little more than likely not coming back in the off season. That's a starting LT job and swing tackle job left wide open.

I think if Anton Harrison continues his struggles, there's no way I am moving him over from RT to LT in 2025. He stays at RT while I draft a pure LT coming out of college with that top five selection for Trevor's sake or ANY QB's sake really. Baalke doesn't survive this year. 

If anything, I am trying to trade UP in next year's draft to ensure I am addressing the offensive line with quality football players. I want Scherff's replacement in RD2 drafted and Morse's future replacement drafted in RD3. LT - RG - OC all drafted in that order.

There's absolutely no way Baalke survives this year if they fall that far down as a football team. His nuts are already on the chopping block as it stands today after that loss in Buffalo. He'll be the first one [BLEEP] canned. Just like the whole Dave Caldwell, Doug Marrone situation. GM goes first. HC goes second.

I was more suggesting trading down out of the top 10 as it looks like the 1st round will be deep again at the tackle position and there may be 5 first round QB's again pushing OL down more. So you can still address the position well in the teens than at say #3-8, and using the assets to get your guys in rounds 2/3/4.

Huge risk. One I wouldn't be willing to take. There's a big difference between landing the next Penei Sewell or Eugene Monroe.

I want an elite LT with All-Pro potential, not just another guy with upside there that was convenient for the sake of picking up draft picks down the road that could result in just more guys with upside Vs. guys with actual potential and ready to go All-Pro mentalities.
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#19

The only way I would trade down is for a kings Ramsom. With that said my favorite player in the draft is Will Johnson, he's a shutdown corner and the best corner to come out since Stingley and Gardner imo. I think he will be a Pro Bowl type corner day 1 and end up one of the best in the league. I'd love to make a few cuts to free up some cap space and sign Wills and move him back to his natural position at RT and then move Harriaon to LT his natural position. Still have a bunch of other picks to fix the interior.

I'd love to add Campbell as well though and he is my 2nd favorite player in the draft. If Cambell continues to play like the best tackle in college and he also he's a great RAS and combine I don't think I would pass on him though. We could even look into moving Harrison to RG if he continues to struggle this year
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#20

Long way to go before this, but I admit been thinking about it. We will be in a much better position with this draft than many previous. Despite the early season results we do have a lot more talent than in years past. Enough that if we desire we CAN be in the position to use a rifle rather than shotgun approach to a portion of the draft. The extra picks in rounds 3 and 4 are invaluable, giving us flexibility. They also may give us some extra leverage recruiting coaching upgrades that may present themselves.
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