https://twitter.com/e_dilla/status/18358...915L-t18Xg

Everything is fine.

Hmm this is what I meant with cracks starting to appear. We've got more than enough for everyone to be focused on rather than pulling power moves and trying to point score.

Never forget, never forget.

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Devin Lloyd with an elite grade heading into week 3

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/devin-lloyd/58238

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https://twitter.com/PFF_Jaguars/status/1...9544992229

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At this point just forfeit, take the bye week, and get prepared for the Texans. You can't lose that game and have any chance.

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we are not the only monday night game. . Bengals play commanders on monday night football. same night as us..

So fans get to choose which 0-2 disappointment they want to watch!

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I was very close to putting a couple grand on the over 8.5 win total for the season and the over 21.5 TDs for Lawrence. The only reason I didn't do it because I thought about injuries. I thought Lawrence and our team could possibly get decimated by injuries and we might not hit the 9 win total we had the last few years. I figured if mostly healthy we were a lock to win at least 9 and for Lawrence to hit at least 22 TDs. Thank God I didn't do it.

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Forget our opponent being good, our problems are internal. We don't look like us. We aren't the same team in shambles that Doug took over and made us contenders. We're back on the Gus Bus to start this season. We need a huge turnaround and start playing with some momentum and urgency again. No sense of purpose with this team since Halftime of the Dolphins game. This isn't one guy or one play lost us the game, we're putting ourselves in bad situations and playing stupid games, so when we win stupid prizes well that's just the game we've been shown this season. I like Pederson, like our current roster, stop playing like dog meat and wake up. Teams shouldn't be happy to go to Jacksonville to play the Jaguars to get right.

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Forget our opponent being good,  our problems are internal.  We don't look like us.  We aren't the same team in shambles that Doug took over and made us contenders.  We're back on the Gus Bus to start this season.  We need a huge turnaround and start playing with some momentum and urgency again.  No sense of purpose with this team since Halftime of the Dolphins game.  This isn't one guy or one play lost us the game,  we're putting ourselves in bad situations and playing stupid games,  so when we win stupid prizes well that's just the game we've been shown this season.  I like Pederson,  like our current roster,  stop playing like dog meat and wake up.  Teams shouldn't be happy to go to Jacksonville to play the Jaguars to get right.

Here's the problem. We don't know what "us" looks like.

Are the Jags a running team with PA pass? Are they a pass first to set up the run later team? Are they a deep ball team? Are they a west coast quick hitter type of team?

They're none of those teams. They don't have an identity.

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Forget our opponent being good,  our problems are internal.  We don't look like us.  We aren't the same team in shambles that Doug took over and made us contenders.  We're back on the Gus Bus to start this season.  We need a huge turnaround and start playing with some momentum and urgency again.  No sense of purpose with this team since Halftime of the Dolphins game.  This isn't one guy or one play lost us the game,  we're putting ourselves in bad situations and playing stupid games,  so when we win stupid prizes well that's just the game we've been shown this season.  I like Pederson,  like our current roster,  stop playing like dog meat and wake up.  Teams shouldn't be happy to go to Jacksonville to play the Jaguars to get right.

Here's the problem. We don't know what "us" looks like.

Are the Jags a running team with PA pass? Are they a pass first to set up the run later team? Are they a deep ball team? Are they a west coast quick hitter type of team?

They're none of those teams. They don't have an identity.

Agreed. It's also too easy to pin it all on one unit on this team when they're capable of doing enough to get this offense in a position to score, only to fall short due to mental errors for the second week in a row.

I think many things can be true at once. The offensive line is not good, this can be said for many NFL teams, including the actual good offenses in the NFL that score points.

I also think it can be true that this coaching staff cannot figure out how to call a consistent offense that utilizes everybody to the best of their abilities. There's evidence to support this because they show consistently with their inconsistency and their tendencies.

I still feel this offense is missing the obvious elements that would enable Lawrence to excel. I also feel Doug's unwillingness to adopt what made him successful in Philadelphia with his TE room and RPO concepts here is also hindering the team.

The short yardage run game needs to go away for awhile until they can convert those situations with other concepts, personnel packages and play designs. They need an ego death to move forward.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Here's the problem. We don't know what "us" looks like.

Are the Jags a running team with PA pass? Are they a pass first to set up the run later team? Are they a deep ball team? Are they a west coast quick hitter type of team?

They're none of those teams. They don't have an identity.

Agreed. It's also too easy to pin it all on one unit on this team when they're capable of doing enough to get this offense in a position to score, only to fall short due to mental errors for the second week in a row.

I think many things can be true at once. The offensive line is not good, this can be said for many NFL teams, including the actual good offenses in the NFL that score points.

I also think it can be true that this coaching staff cannot figure out how to call a consistent offense that utilizes everybody to the best of their abilities. There's evidence to support this because they show consistently with their inconsistency and their tendencies.

I still feel this offense is missing the obvious elements that would enable Lawrence to excel. I also feel Doug's unwillingness to adopt what made him successful in Philadelphia with his TE room and RPO concepts here is also hindering the team.

The short yardage run game needs to go away for awhile until they can convert those situations with other concepts, personnel packages and play designs. They need an ego death to move forward.

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C'mon man, a team that can't run in short yardage isn't going to be successful, that's just the bottom line. Either they figure out a way to do it or the team suffers the same critical flaw that killed last season. Maybe it's putting in Tugboat to either lead or as an End on blocking plays. Maybe it's shift Scherff out entirely and put him in at RG. I dunno how to manage it with these people, but if the people suck the rest doesn't matter.

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We did just play one of the leagues best defenses where the refs extended their opening drive which would have otherwise been stopped on 3rd and long with a bogus roughing call that led to their only TD of the day and had them playing with a lead all day long, exactly where good defenses want to be playing from. Criticisms of execution along the O-line and elsewhere as well as some play calling concerns are valid, but the sky is falling crap and speculation of internal strife is ridiculous even if it's expected given the nature of this forum. This is still a good roster dealing with some key early injuries. The ship will get righted.

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We did just play one of the leagues best defenses where the refs extended their opening drive which would have otherwise been stopped on 3rd and long with a bogus roughing call that led to their only TD of the day and had them playing with a lead all day long, exactly where good defenses want to be playing from.  Criticisms of execution along the O-line and elsewhere as well as some play calling concerns are valid, but the sky is falling crap and speculation of internal strife is ridiculous even if it's expected given the nature of this forum.  This is still a good roster dealing with some key early injuries.  The ship will get righted.

I agree, they aren't bad they just haven't made the plays to win. It sucks that they let two get away and that's the part they need to be better at, finishing off the teams they should beat.

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Agreed. It's also too easy to pin it all on one unit on this team when they're capable of doing enough to get this offense in a position to score, only to fall short due to mental errors for the second week in a row.

I think many things can be true at once. The offensive line is not good, this can be said for many NFL teams, including the actual good offenses in the NFL that score points.

I also think it can be true that this coaching staff cannot figure out how to call a consistent offense that utilizes everybody to the best of their abilities. There's evidence to support this because they show consistently with their inconsistency and their tendencies.

I still feel this offense is missing the obvious elements that would enable Lawrence to excel. I also feel Doug's unwillingness to adopt what made him successful in Philadelphia with his TE room and RPO concepts here is also hindering the team.

The short yardage run game needs to go away for awhile until they can convert those situations with other concepts, personnel packages and play designs. They need an ego death to move forward.

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C'mon man, a team that can't run in short yardage isn't going to be successful, that's just the bottom line. Either they figure out a way to do it or the team suffers the same critical flaw that killed last season. Maybe it's putting in Tugboat to either lead or as an End on blocking plays. Maybe it's shift Scherff out entirely and put him in at RG. I dunno how to manage it with these people, but if the people suck the rest doesn't matter.

Doug's an offensive guru. It's his job to figure that out. They run just fine on 1st and 10+ situations with 5 YPC.

They're still throwing themselves into the rocks with the same concepts and they're expecting different results knowing they don't have the horses up front to pull it off.

Surely he can dig deeper from his well spring of knowledge to generate bigger and better plays on either those 1st and 10+ situations or to convert those 2nd and 3 yard situations.

It's year three. Same QB. Same core trio at the skill positions between WR, TE and RB. Lawrence's average time in the pocket is at the 16th mark two weeks in.

Just feels like we're missing the obvious in those situations. Lawrence's legs and the lack of useage in the short passing game with the TE room as a unit.

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We did just play one of the leagues best defenses where the refs extended their opening drive which would have otherwise been stopped on 3rd and long with a bogus roughing call that led to their only TD of the day and had them playing with a lead all day long, exactly where good defenses want to be playing from. Criticisms of execution along the O-line and elsewhere as well as some play calling concerns are valid, but the sky is falling crap and speculation of internal strife is ridiculous even if it's expected given the nature of this forum. This is still a good roster dealing with some key early injuries. The ship will get righted.

Don't want to hear it man. Cleveland's inactive list was 3x to 4x as long as ours on Sunday. They spotted you 100 yards in 10 penalties and they also had a crucial drop by Cooper on 3rd down and a fumble recovery handed back to us due to a kicker performing an illegal procedure.

Leagues best defense or not. It's year three. Pederson needs to do better. Again, the inconsistencies with his decision making. Gambled on 4th down twice on the road in Miami. Didn't gamble at all at home on 4th down while Stefanski did it 3x successfully.

How could you NOT, as a coach, want to steal one or two of those conversions back from him after he basically beat you at your own game of 4th down gambling?



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We did just play one of the leagues best defenses where the refs extended their opening drive which would have otherwise been stopped on 3rd and long with a bogus roughing call that led to their only TD of the day and had them playing with a lead all day long, exactly where good defenses want to be playing from.  Criticisms of execution along the O-line and elsewhere as well as some play calling concerns are valid, but the sky is falling crap and speculation of internal strife is ridiculous even if it's expected given the nature of this forum.  This is still a good roster dealing with some key early injuries.  The ship will get righted.

Don't want to hear it man. Cleveland's inactive list was 3x to 4x as long as ours on Sunday. They spotted you 100 yards in 10 penalties and they also had a crucial drop by Cooper on 3rd down and a fumble recovery handed back to us due to a kicker performing an illegal procedure.

Leagues best defense or not. It's year three. Pederson needs to do better. Again, the inconsistencies with his decision making. Gambled on 4th down twice on the road in Miami. Didn't gamble at all at home on 4th down while Stefanski did it 3x successfully.

How could you NOT, as a coach, want to steal one or two of those conversions back from him after he basically beat you at your own game of 4th down gambling?



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30 of those penalty yards came on their final drive which they then negated the advantage of by punting out of bounds at the 2.  You can't really do anything about a punter punting it out of bounds at the 2 aside from blocking the punt which is a very rare play.  Outside of that drive, the penalty yards were similar between the two teams. However, the bogus roughing the passer call against us led to the Browns getting spotted an additional 4 points which likely greatly affected play calls later in the game.

I don't have the percentages though I've looked at them in years past, but I'm going to assert here without the numbers that the chances of drives that start at your own 2 that wind up in points are very low.  It's a great play made by their punter which clearly affected the outcome and there's not much you can do about it on the receiving end.  It contributed mightily to the safety which in large part ended the game even though we still had a last ditch shot to win after it.  Doug/Press are situationally aggressive play callers as evidenced by the 4th and 1 from our own 32 or whatever against the phins and they were going for the homerun ball from our own 2 knowing Cleveland was going to aggressively pursue getting the safety there and leave someone 1 on 1 deep.  Criticism of that aggressiveness, or lack thereof at other times, is fair game.

Also, the timing of Engram's injury was significant as he was probably a big part of the gameplan for this week as he normally is/should be.  The Browns knew all along they'd be without Njoku and planned accordingly

All this is to say, criticisms are valid, but there's a little bit of victim of circumstance here as well.  Cleveland, a playoff team from last year, is better than people gave them credit for after the beating they took in week 1.  We just going to throw the weirdness of week 1, month 1 and interconference matchups in general out the window when it comes to other teams?  It applies league wide.  We have things to work on.  Many teams do.  We have to be better and find ways to win.  I'm with you on that, but we're not terrible because we're 0-2 and the knives aren't out in the building because of 2 close, competitive losses.  I know many like to subscribe to the soap opera of emotions that's being "leaked" about coaches, the QB and the GM from people on social media that have no clue, but relax. I don't think any of that is happening after week 2 other than discussions between coaches and players about digging deep about not making mental errors and finding a way to win this week and game planning the [BLEEP] out of this upcoming game against the Bills.  If you go to twitter/x, the majority opinion there is Doug is imminently about to be fired which is laughable.  You can't tell an overly emotional football fan otherwise though.

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C'mon man, a team that can't run in short yardage isn't going to be successful, that's just the bottom line. Either they figure out a way to do it or the team suffers the same critical flaw that killed last season. Maybe it's putting in Tugboat to either lead or as an End on blocking plays. Maybe it's shift Scherff out entirely and put him in at RG. I dunno how to manage it with these people, but if the people suck the rest doesn't matter.

Doug's an offensive guru. It's his job to figure that out. They run just fine on 1st and 10+ situations with 5 YPC.

They're still throwing themselves into the rocks with the same concepts and they're expecting different results knowing they don't have the horses up front to pull it off.

Surely he can dig deeper from his well spring of knowledge to generate bigger and better plays on either those 1st and 10+ situations or to convert those 2nd and 3 yard situations.

It's year three. Same QB. Same core trio at the skill positions between WR, TE and RB. Lawrence's average time in the pocket is at the 16th mark two weeks in.

Just feels like we're missing the obvious in those situations. Lawrence's legs and the lack of useage in the short passing game with the TE room as a unit.

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We did just play one of the leagues best defenses where the refs extended their opening drive which would have otherwise been stopped on 3rd and long with a bogus roughing call that led to their only TD of the day and had them playing with a lead all day long, exactly where good defenses want to be playing from.  Criticisms of execution along the O-line and elsewhere as well as some play calling concerns are valid, but the sky is falling crap and speculation of internal strife is ridiculous even if it's expected given the nature of this forum.  This is still a good roster dealing with some key early injuries.  The ship will get righted.

Don't want to hear it man. Cleveland's inactive list was 3x to 4x as long as ours on Sunday. They spotted you 100 yards in 10 penalties and they also had a crucial drop by Cooper on 3rd down and a fumble recovery handed back to us due to a kicker performing an illegal procedure.

Leagues best defense or not. It's year three. Pederson needs to do better. Again, the inconsistencies with his decision making. Gambled on 4th down twice on the road in Miami. Didn't gamble at all at home on 4th down while Stefanski did it 3x successfully.

How could you NOT, as a coach, want to steal one or two of those conversions back from him after he basically beat you at your own game of 4th down gambling?



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Next week the excuse will be Buffalo is a really good team, we were on the road etc.  There are a few people that will continue to make excuse after excuse for this team.  You are what your record says you are at the end of the day.

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Doug's an offensive guru. It's his job to figure that out. They run just fine on 1st and 10+ situations with 5 YPC.

They're still throwing themselves into the rocks with the same concepts and they're expecting different results knowing they don't have the horses up front to pull it off.

Surely he can dig deeper from his well spring of knowledge to generate bigger and better plays on either those 1st and 10+ situations or to convert those 2nd and 3 yard situations.

It's year three. Same QB. Same core trio at the skill positions between WR, TE and RB. Lawrence's average time in the pocket is at the 16th mark two weeks in.

Just feels like we're missing the obvious in those situations. Lawrence's legs and the lack of useage in the short passing game with the TE room as a unit.

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Don't want to hear it man. Cleveland's inactive list was 3x to 4x as long as ours on Sunday. They spotted you 100 yards in 10 penalties and they also had a crucial drop by Cooper on 3rd down and a fumble recovery handed back to us due to a kicker performing an illegal procedure.

Leagues best defense or not. It's year three. Pederson needs to do better. Again, the inconsistencies with his decision making. Gambled on 4th down twice on the road in Miami. Didn't gamble at all at home on 4th down while Stefanski did it 3x successfully.

How could you NOT, as a coach, want to steal one or two of those conversions back from him after he basically beat you at your own game of 4th down gambling?



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Next week the excuse will be Buffalo is a really good team, we were on the road etc.  There are a few people that will continue to make excuse after excuse for this team.  You are what your record says you are at the end of the day.

Next weeks excuse will be how bad the OLine is.

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Next week the excuse will be Buffalo is a really good team, we were on the road etc.  There are a few people that will continue to make excuse after excuse for this team.  You are what your record says you are at the end of the day.

Next weeks excuse will be how bad the OLine is.

You mean the fact that's been pretty much the same since...forever?

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Next week the excuse will be Buffalo is a really good team, we were on the road etc.  There are a few people that will continue to make excuse after excuse for this team.  You are what your record says you are at the end of the day.

Next weeks excuse will be how bad the OLine is.

How the hell is the OL playing horribly an excuse? 

What is it an excuse for? 

Jaguars fans, beat writers, pundits, radio personalities are all over the airwaves and internet in unified agreement that this OL is playing terribly and costing us potential wins. 

Because that is exactly what is happening. That's not a [BLEEP] excuse. It's maddening. I'm livid that our braintrust has not yet figured out how to cobble together even a mid-tier offensive line. 

I'm not making an excuse about a damned thing. Why are ppl calling it an excuse?

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Next weeks excuse will be how bad the OLine is.

How the hell is the OL playing horribly an excuse? 

What is it an excuse for? 

Jaguars fans, beat writers, pundits, radio personalities are all over the airwaves and internet in unified agreement that this OL is playing terribly and costing us potential wins. 

Because that is exactly what is happening. That's not a [BLEEP] excuse. It's maddening. I'm livid that our braintrust has not yet figured out how to cobble together even a mid-tier offensive line. 

I'm not making an excuse about a damned thing. Why are ppl calling it an excuse?

Same like the rest of the NFL fan base. It's not just us.

Easy way out is to blame it on O-line.

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Next weeks excuse will be how bad the OLine is.

How the hell is the OL playing horribly an excuse? 

What is it an excuse for? 

Jaguars fans, beat writers, pundits, radio personalities are all over the airwaves and internet in unified agreement that this OL is playing terribly and costing us potential wins. 

Because that is exactly what is happening. That's not a [BLEEP] excuse. It's maddening. I'm livid that our braintrust has not yet figured out how to cobble together even a mid-tier offensive line. 

I'm not making an excuse about a damned thing. Why are ppl calling it an excuse?

Because you're excusing the REAL villain in Jacksonville...that damnable PRESS TAYLOR!!!!!!!

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