The coaching staff is ruining Trevor. Not to say Trevor isn't at fault in some situations. (Sacks where he could have thrown it away. Missing open targets.) But, you have to admit that the playcalling is killing any chance for this offense to look anywhere near close to 2022. Another thing: Trevor clearly does not trust his OL. That's evident. And he is making forced decisions at times resulting in bad throws because of the blocking.

Changes need to be made. And fast.

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I don't think Lawrence will ever be the generational QB we hoped. From mid-2022 to mid-2023 he had a 17 game stretch where statistically he was top 5. So he can easily be a top 10 qb which is all you need to win a super bowl. We know it because we've seen it.

Saying that I think the haters under appreciate how important being in the right situation is for a qb. And unfortunately for Lawrence he came to the jags. Meyer was a disaster in year 1. Our front office put together statistically one of the two worst olines in the league last year.  No clue what has happened to the offense this year but line not looking dramatically improved.  He may be damaged goods now unfortunately.

It's just, man, enough. I can't defend him anymore. The moment you decide as an organization to give him a generational contract? All of these excuses above, his past, his mechanics, his surroundings, etc. 

It's over. We're not having that conversation anymore. He inked his name to a contract that says "I am the guy. I am the man. I am the franchise. Put them on my back and I will lead them to the promised land". 

He doesn't have "it". There was a chance in Miami and there was a chance against Cleveland, despite all the issues, the miscues, the lost opportunities, you name it, it happened, etc. 

Despite all of that? He had opportunities to take the bull by the horns and [BLEEP] overcome the issues and rise to the challenge. He just doesn't have it.

I'll leave it at that.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I don't think Lawrence will ever be the generational QB we hoped. From mid-2022 to mid-2023 he had a 17 game stretch where statistically he was top 5. So he can easily be a top 10 qb which is all you need to win a super bowl. We know it because we've seen it.

Saying that I think the haters under appreciate how important being in the right situation is for a qb. And unfortunately for Lawrence he came to the jags. Meyer was a disaster in year 1. Our front office put together statistically one of the two worst olines in the league last year.  No clue what has happened to the offense this year but line not looking dramatically improved.  He may be damaged goods now unfortunately.

Was reading an article by Mike Dirocco yesterday that was fairly balanced as your post. And it quoted an NFL exec who confirmed your thoughts; the Urban year drastically hurt Trevor’s trajectory. Then now we’re about to bring in another new system barring a miracle turnaround; last year the offense changed and the line got worse and they threw him out there with multiple injuries, then sacrificed the defensive coaches for the blame.

It’s the equivalent of taking a bat to someone’s kneecap, they finally heal, then taking a bat to the opposite kneecap and asking why you can’t walk

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When we drafted Lawrence. I figured, his ceiling was maybe a more mobile version of Matt Ryan. His floor was Alex Smith. So far, he's more Alex Smith than Matt Ryan, and, sadly, his future success will more than likely be found elsewhere and not with our franchise.

That's okay. We took a stab at it. We failed. I think he's fundamentally broken. He's got a bit of David Carr and Blake Bortles vibe to him. There's just something off with him and this staff doesn't know how to overcome it nor fix it. They've had plenty of time since last year to do it.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

So by your logic, Pederson is doing the complete opposite from what worked, because of what?

Passing overall around the league is down but just watch the Bills offense last night. They had so many players running wide open. The play designs and play calls were perfect. And their OL was perfect as well. 

Mean while, Trevor is getting 4 players running a curl on 3rd and long.

I’ve listened to numerous podcasts saying “Pederson offers up no scheme advantage” or “Trevor needs out of this horrific offensive scheme now”.

Trevor has his faults. I know he does. But when you watch the way these really good coaches get the most out of their players (McVay, Reid, LaFleur, OcConnell, Brady) and then see the trash the Jags throw out week in and week out, it’s infuriating.

1000%.

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Passing overall around the league is down but just watch the Bills offense last night. They had so many players running wide open. The play designs and play calls were perfect. And their OL was perfect as well. 

Mean while, Trevor is getting 4 players running a curl on 3rd and long.

I’ve listened to numerous podcasts saying “Pederson offers up no scheme advantage” or “Trevor needs out of this horrific offensive scheme now”.

Trevor has his faults. I know he does. But when you watch the way these really good coaches get the most out of their players (McVay, Reid, LaFleur, OcConnell, Brady) and then see the trash the Jags throw out week in and week out, it’s infuriating.

1000%.

Some guys around here will argue and say it's -1,000%. 

It's Jimmy's and Joe's guys! Not X's and O's. 
It's execution guys! Not play design!

It's both. The correct answer is both. The staff sucks. The roster sucks. The chef sucks. The cook sucks. Hire Gordon [BLEEP] Ramsay to come in here and roast everybody for 1 hour of must see television. 

"The play call is [BLEEP] raw! Your defender was burnt toast on that play! What bullocks mate! Look at your offensive line! It's built like an idiot sandwich!"

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

1000%.

Some guys around here will argue and say it's -1,000%. 

It's Jimmy's and Joe's guys! Not X's and O's. 
It's execution guys! Not play design!

It's both. The correct answer is both. The staff sucks. The roster sucks. The chef sucks. The cook sucks. Hire Gordon [BLEEP] Ramsay to come in here and roast everybody for 1 hour of must see television. 

"The play call is [BLEEP] raw! Your defender was burnt toast on that play! What bullocks mate! Look at your offensive line! It's built like an idiot sandwich!"

Hand Gordon Ramsey a bag full of dog [BLEEP] and demand he produce a gourmet dinner while the store manager tells you that he gave you a wonderful selection of ingredients for a meal.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

1000%.

Some guys around here will argue and say it's -1,000%. 

It's Jimmy's and Joe's guys! Not X's and O's. 
It's execution guys! Not play design!

It's both. The correct answer is both. The staff sucks. The roster sucks. The chef sucks. The cook sucks. Hire Gordon [BLEEP] Ramsay to come in here and roast everybody for 1 hour of must see television. 

"The play call is [BLEEP] raw! Your defender was burnt toast on that play! What bullocks mate! Look at your offensive line! It's built like an idiot sandwich!"

Something finally worth the cost of admission..

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Trevor ain’t an Alpha-Male QB that can take a team, tell them which way to go, eat, sleep, fart, and they all follow.

He’s a Beta-Finesse QB that can play his role well when everything around him is working perfectly, but when the pieces are out-of-place, he doesn’t have the cojones to will the team and grind out a win

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Some guys around here will argue and say it's -1,000%. 

It's Jimmy's and Joe's guys! Not X's and O's. 
It's execution guys! Not play design!

It's both. The correct answer is both. The staff sucks. The roster sucks. The chef sucks. The cook sucks. Hire Gordon [BLEEP] Ramsay to come in here and roast everybody for 1 hour of must see television. 

"The play call is [BLEEP] raw! Your defender was burnt toast on that play! What bullocks mate! Look at your offensive line! It's built like an idiot sandwich!"

Hand Gordon Ramsey a bag full of dog [BLEEP] and demand he produce a gourmet dinner while the store manager tells you that he gave you a wonderful selection of ingredients for a meal.

Baalke is apart of the staff in my argument. Nobody gets a pass here.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Hand Gordon Ramsey a bag full of dog [BLEEP] and demand he produce a gourmet dinner while the store manager tells you that he gave you a wonderful selection of ingredients for a meal.

Baalke is apart of the staff in my argument. Nobody gets a pass here.

Agreed. 

Needs to be a clean sweep this time

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Trevor Lawrence is what you get when you make a custom character and move all the sliders to 5/10.

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This business is dirty. If he thought Press was an issue he would've fired him already. There's no shame in admitting a mistake. 

Don't think he would put his job in jeopardy because of Press freaking Taylor.

Said after me, but will repeat, this is exactly what happened in Philadelphia. 

It’s just annoying harping on about the same thing years later, the Oline is atrocious, Cam plays LT and can only handle bull rushes, any speed or finesse and he’s done. 

Players are constantly running through the middle of our oline. 

And the play calling is just woeful absolutely woeful.

The pick was completely on TLaw no question about it, but it’s annoying that we just rinse and repeat the same old mistakes.

Don't you think coach after coach and TL failures are somehow someone elses? Look I've said it since day one that Doug needs to go, but it's deeper than Doug and his staff - it's on Lawrence as well - the overthrows, underthrows and INTs are purely on him. So sure, might he look better under a new staff? Maybe... but will those issues be fixed? Doubtful. Giving him a big contract will bite us in the [BLEEP] and were going to be stuck with him until atleast 2028-2029.

People need to let 21-22 season go. Average QBs can have those seasons too but eventually they'll fall flat and that's whats going on here.

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Brady and Peyton playing behind OLs among dead last in time to throw in the NFL is news to me. Of course during 40 years combined during their careers you can find seasons with below average OL play, but for the most part they played behind really good OLs. Brady elevated his WRs way beyond their talent, Manning did too but he was a HOFer throwing to two HOFers in Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison. Calling them scrubs is the most interesting NFL take I've read in awhile

I love how this time-to-throw gets tossed around like it's the coup de grace argument.  He's got the least time to throw because defences don't respect him.  If they over commit on pressure, they will not get burned.  He won't hit the quick slant that forces an LB to stay in the hole.  He won't dump it to a back on a makeshift screen.  He won't take off on a run that forces the DL to rush a little slower so they can react.

TL has the least time because he's the least respected.

It seems the TL-swifties are all content to believe he's a complete victim of circumstance with no responsibility, as the highest paid player on the squad by a WIIIIIIIIIIIDE margin, to be the best player on the squad by an equally WIIIIIIIIIIIDE margin.  That's a good gig.  Give me $55M a year and I can stink it up like an outhouse as well.  Hell, I'll be unreliable at half that price.

This is an excellent point on how a good QB can mask OL defencies.

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https://twitter.com/DrGridiron_MD/status...9519553876

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Brady and Peyton playing behind OLs among dead last in time to throw in the NFL is news to me. Of course during 40 years combined during their careers you can find seasons with below average OL play, but for the most part they played behind really good OLs. Brady elevated his WRs way beyond their talent, Manning did too but he was a HOFer throwing to two HOFers in Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison. Calling them scrubs is the most interesting NFL take I've read in awhile

I love how this time-to-throw gets tossed around like it's the coup de grace argument.  He's got the least time to throw because defences don't respect him.  If they over commit on pressure, they will not get burned.  He won't hit the quick slant that forces an LB to stay in the hole.  He won't dump it to a back on a makeshift screen.  He won't take off on a run that forces the DL to rush a little slower so they can react.

TL has the least time because he's the least respected.

It seems the TL-swifties are all content to believe he's a complete victim of circumstance with no responsibility, as the highest paid player on the squad by a WIIIIIIIIIIIDE margin, to be the best player on the squad by an equally WIIIIIIIIIIIDE margin.  That's a good gig.  Give me $55M a year and I can stink it up like an outhouse as well.  Hell, I'll be unreliable at half that price.

Interesting perspective given statistically he's one of the best deep ball throwers in the NFL and statistically one of the best at getting the ball out fast. He's got the least amount of time to throw because the OL is not good. It's not the only factor but it's obviously the biggest and all objective data leads to that. I can't imagine being a football fan and not being able to easily conclude that this OL is trash and the biggest deficiency on offense. Football has and always will start with blocking.

As I said he's played horrible and he's not the generational QB people thought he would be (including me), but yet he is still the best thing about this football team has going forward which is wild given how he has played this season.

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I love how this time-to-throw gets tossed around like it's the coup de grace argument.  He's got the least time to throw because defences don't respect him.  If they over commit on pressure, they will not get burned.  He won't hit the quick slant that forces an LB to stay in the hole.  He won't dump it to a back on a makeshift screen.  He won't take off on a run that forces the DL to rush a little slower so they can react.

TL has the least time because he's the least respected.

It seems the TL-swifties are all content to believe he's a complete victim of circumstance with no responsibility, as the highest paid player on the squad by a WIIIIIIIIIIIDE margin, to be the best player on the squad by an equally WIIIIIIIIIIIDE margin.  That's a good gig.  Give me $55M a year and I can stink it up like an outhouse as well.  Hell, I'll be unreliable at half that price.

Interesting perspective given statistically he's one of the best deep ball throwers in the NFL and statistically one of the best at getting the ball out fast. He's got the least amount of time to throw because the OL is not good. It's not the only factor but it's obviously the biggest and all objective data leads to that. I can't imagine being a football fan and not being able to easily conclude that this OL is trash and the biggest deficiency on offense. Football has and always will start with blocking.

O-line was good in the first half. How did that work for him?

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Interesting perspective given statistically he's one of the best deep ball throwers in the NFL and statistically one of the best at getting the ball out fast. He's got the least amount of time to throw because the OL is not good. It's not the only factor but it's obviously the biggest and all objective data leads to that. I can't imagine being a football fan and not being able to easily conclude that this OL is trash and the biggest deficiency on offense. Football has and always will start with blocking.

O-line was good in the first half. How did that work for him?

The OL wasn't as bad as they usually are in the 1st half but they didn't play "good" either. When he did have time created by the OL he made horrible throws and played terrible overall. Plenty of blame to go to TL. Unfortunately though for the Jags and Trevor they have one of the worst rosters in football and he's not Patrick Mahomes type player that could maybe overcome it

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Trevor Lawrence is what you get when you make a custom character and move all the sliders to 5/10.

Sorta like your drive-by's, only 3 times better?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The biggest problem moving forward with the team, is that the Jags gave an average QB a top-of-the market contract.  If I'm looking to hire another coach, that coach is going to look at the team and see that Trevor Lawrence has a contract that far exceeds his performance, and that he is essentially untradeable (no team is taking on that contract, and the Jags aren't able to eat the dead money) for years.  If I could pick the next coach, it would be Ben Johnson, but there is NO WAY he's going to take his HC shot with Lawrence locked in.

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Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

I love how this time-to-throw gets tossed around like it's the coup de grace argument.  He's got the least time to throw because defences don't respect him.  If they over commit on pressure, they will not get burned.  He won't hit the quick slant that forces an LB to stay in the hole.  He won't dump it to a back on a makeshift screen.  He won't take off on a run that forces the DL to rush a little slower so they can react.

TL has the least time because he's the least respected.

It seems the TL-swifties are all content to believe he's a complete victim of circumstance with no responsibility, as the highest paid player on the squad by a WIIIIIIIIIIIDE margin, to be the best player on the squad by an equally WIIIIIIIIIIIDE margin.  That's a good gig.  Give me $55M a year and I can stink it up like an outhouse as well.  Hell, I'll be unreliable at half that price.

Interesting perspective given statistically he's one of the best deep ball throwers in the NFL and statistically one of the best at getting the ball out fast. He's got the least amount of time to throw because the OL is not good. It's not the only factor but it's obviously the biggest and all objective data leads to that. I can't imagine being a football fan and not being able to easily conclude that this OL is trash and the biggest deficiency on offense. Football has and always will start with blocking.

As I said he's played horrible and he's not the generational QB people thought he would be (including me), but yet he is still the best thing about this football team has going forward which is wild given how he has played this season.

He's not a fan, just a troll who pops out from under his bridge from time to time.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato