But would you trade our QB who you think is sorry?

Who are you replacing him with?

I mean the appropriate Jags fan response would be to trade him to Vegas and net back Gardner Minshew, right? ?

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Well Andy Reid is the real OC so of course Mahomes is on his team. If Trevor had Reid, don't you think it would be a little different? If he had Shanny, McVay, LaFleur, OcConnell, McDaniel.....

Just wait. If it doesn't get fixed here, Trevor will be pushed out of town and people like those coaches I mentioned will be slobbering over themselves to get Trevor.

Things are too toxic here for TLaw.  It would be best if he could go somewhere else and leave this place in the rear view.

Could you only imagine..... just IMAGINE if he played for a franchise like the Philadelphia Eagles where there's tons of pressure every year to win. They would've drove Trevor out of town long ago, if you think its too toxic here... lol. Those fans dont play. Trevor plays for a quiet good franchise that is very patient evident by the users on this board.

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Things are too toxic here for TLaw.  It would be best if he could go somewhere else and leave this place in the rear view.

Could you only imagine..... just IMAGINE if he played for a franchise like the Philadelphia Eagles where there's tons of pressure every year to win. They would've drove Trevor out of town long ago, if you think its too toxic here... lol. Those fans dont play. Trevor plays for a quiet good franchise that is very patient evident by the users on this board.

The Jets would have given up on him like they did Darnold and Wilson.

The 49ers would have sent him to Dallas just like they did Lance. 

This is a fact. Jacksonville is one of the least difficult markets, especially media wise, to work with and play for. New York and California will chew you up and spit you out.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Interesting perspective given statistically he's one of the best deep ball throwers in the NFL and statistically one of the best at getting the ball out fast. He's got the least amount of time to throw because the OL is not good. It's not the only factor but it's obviously the biggest and all objective data leads to that. I can't imagine being a football fan and not being able to easily conclude that this OL is trash and the biggest deficiency on offense. Football has and always will start with blocking.

As I said he's played horrible and he's not the generational QB people thought he would be (including me), but yet he is still the best thing about this football team has going forward which is wild given how he has played this season.

Trevor doesn't have the least amount of time to throw. He is actually tied for 8th for the .  He is ranked 23rd in the highest number of hurries with 5. He is tied for 4th in the number of poor passes with 20. He is tied for 4th with Stafford for the number of dropped passes at 6 which is less than Aaron Rogers and more than half that of Deshaun Watson. He is also tied for 14th for the most blitzed QB having faced 27. He is ranked 26th in QBR when you only count players who have played all 3 games. He is ranked 29th in completion percentage compared to all the other QB's who have played all 3 games so far and 25th in total passing yards.

We can try to point the blame everywhere else, but there really aren't any excuses. Trevor has just been playing like a bottom tier QB so far this season. I hope he gets back on top of his game.

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

You are not comparing the same metrics. Time to throw is not the same as "highest average time between snap and throwing ball or receiving pressure" which is what you are giving. 

You would have to remove the bold as they are not the same thing, that's combining two different stats as I am only speaking about the OL protection regardless of QB. A useful stat for sure but would highlight how well (or how bad) Trevor gets the ball out in combination of OL protection not just focused on OL protection itself. I'll have to look at the stats this year but the previous two Trevor was among the best in the NFL at getting the ball out fast. 

As I've said he's horrible this year no arguments there. He is playing as a bottom tier QB and has earned a lot of blame. Hopefully he gets better he needs to improve majorly to state the obvious. I don't agree with no excuses however, he's got a valid reason for part of his poor play. OL protection is major contributor to QB play as football starts with blocking. It's not a fundamental problem that needs to be addressed, it's the problem to address first otherwise it doesn't really matter who they bring in or play. Every single play on offense depends on and builds off blocking. If the OL can't block at least okay enough, enough times in a game the QB and the rest simply can't function. You can have a HOFer at every skill position but if the OL opens up the floodgates it won't matter as you won't have time to throw it and you won't have the space to run anywhere. Trevor might be a problem to address as well but by nature of football and how the game works the first has got to get corrected. I agree there are no excuses for the fumbles/missing basic layup passes ect ect that is all Trevor. The OL is the chief reason for the dysfunction on offense

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Who are you replacing him with?

I mean the appropriate Jags fan response would be to trade him to Vegas and net back Gardner Minshew, right? ?

Much like what happened with David Garrard. They had a reliable solution to their QB position for very, very cheap, and, instead of taking advantage of that and building around that they opted to take the easiest out for regime change sake. 

Here's the thing, had Khan made the right hire from the beginning back when they drafted Lawrence? Maybe there's a good chance that coaching staff doesn't start him right away. They actually give Minshew 10 - 12 weeks to build up his trade value before starting Lawrence.

Or, maybe Minshew wins enough under that new coaching staff, to where, you can go the Green Bay Packers route and sit Lawrence for another year or two. It would have done him some good. He was young enough to merit that path when he left Clemson.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Trevor doesn't have the least amount of time to throw. He is actually tied for 8th for the .  He is ranked 23rd in the highest number of hurries with 5. He is tied for 4th in the number of poor passes with 20. He is tied for 4th with Stafford for the number of dropped passes at 6 which is less than Aaron Rogers and more than half that of Deshaun Watson. He is also tied for 14th for the most blitzed QB having faced 27. He is ranked 26th in QBR when you only count players who have played all 3 games. He is ranked 29th in completion percentage compared to all the other QB's who have played all 3 games so far and 25th in total passing yards.

We can try to point the blame everywhere else, but there really aren't any excuses. Trevor has just been playing like a bottom tier QB so far this season. I hope he gets back on top of his game.

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

You are not comparing the same metrics. Time to throw is not the same as "highest average time between snap and throwing ball or receiving pressure" which is what you are giving. 

You would have to remove the bold as they are not the same thing, that's combining two different stats as I am only speaking about the OL protection regardless of QB. A useful stat for sure but would highlight how well (or how bad) Trevor gets the ball out in combination of OL protection not just focused on OL protection itself. I'll have to look at the stats this year but the previous two Trevor was among the best in the NFL at getting the ball out fast. 

As I've said he's horrible this year no arguments there. He is playing as a bottom tier QB and has earned a lot of blame. Hopefully he gets better he needs to improve majorly to state the obvious. I don't agree with no excuses however, he's got a valid reason for part of his poor play. OL protection is major contributor to QB play as football starts with blocking. It's not a fundamental problem that needs to be addressed, it's the problem to address first otherwise it doesn't really matter who they bring in or play. Every single play on offense depends on and builds off blocking. If the OL can't block at least okay enough, enough times in a game the QB and the rest simply can't function. You can have a HOFer at every skill position but if the OL opens up the floodgates it won't matter as you won't have time to throw it and you won't have the space to run anywhere. Trevor might be a problem to address as well but by nature of football and how the game works the first has got to get corrected. I agree there are no excuses for the fumbles/missing basic layup passes ect ect that is all Trevor. The OL is the chief reason for the dysfunction on offense

The OL played pretty damn good for the first half of the football last week. And we only managed to put 7 points the entire half. So whats your explantion there? Was it Trevor or was it that oline needed to play good the entire game....

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I mean the appropriate Jags fan response would be to trade him to Vegas and net back Gardner Minshew, right? ?

Much like what happened with David Garrard. They had a reliable solution to their QB position for very, very cheap, and, instead of taking advantage of that and building around that they opted to take the easiest out for regime change sake. 

Here's the thing, had Khan made the right hire from the beginning back when they drafted Lawrence? Maybe there's a good chance that coaching staff doesn't start him right away. They actually give Minshew 10 - 12 weeks to build up his trade value before starting Lawrence.

Or, maybe Minshew wins enough under that new coaching staff, to where, you can go the Green Bay Packers route and sit Lawrence for another year or two. It would have done him some good. He was young enough to merit that path when he left Clemson.

I mean they had Urban Meyer in charge. I'm sure Baalke has some blood on his hands for all that fiasco, but most of that blame goes to Mr. lap dance.

On a more serious note, I agree that rushing Lawrence out there and trading Minshew was short sighted and probably influenced by all the media hype of "generational prospect."

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Levis or ARichardson.   That way Trevor could bring down the division rivals like he does here (according to many on here).

I don't like to insult posters, but man, this post right here makes me want to reconsider my ethics.

Seriously, Levis is straight garbage.

And ARichardson?  The dude from the clots?  He's crazy inconsistent....  He's fun to watch now, I have my doubts as to how close he is to a true franchise QB.  Lawrence has much high cielings and much high floors than both these players.  We'd be downgrading the position if we traded Lawrence for either of these 2 players.

I actually agree with you.

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You are not comparing the same metrics. Time to throw is not the same as "highest average time between snap and throwing ball or receiving pressure" which is what you are giving. 

You would have to remove the bold as they are not the same thing, that's combining two different stats as I am only speaking about the OL protection regardless of QB. A useful stat for sure but would highlight how well (or how bad) Trevor gets the ball out in combination of OL protection not just focused on OL protection itself. I'll have to look at the stats this year but the previous two Trevor was among the best in the NFL at getting the ball out fast. 

As I've said he's horrible this year no arguments there. He is playing as a bottom tier QB and has earned a lot of blame. Hopefully he gets better he needs to improve majorly to state the obvious. I don't agree with no excuses however, he's got a valid reason for part of his poor play. OL protection is major contributor to QB play as football starts with blocking. It's not a fundamental problem that needs to be addressed, it's the problem to address first otherwise it doesn't really matter who they bring in or play. Every single play on offense depends on and builds off blocking. If the OL can't block at least okay enough, enough times in a game the QB and the rest simply can't function. You can have a HOFer at every skill position but if the OL opens up the floodgates it won't matter as you won't have time to throw it and you won't have the space to run anywhere. Trevor might be a problem to address as well but by nature of football and how the game works the first has got to get corrected. I agree there are no excuses for the fumbles/missing basic layup passes ect ect that is all Trevor. The OL is the chief reason for the dysfunction on offense

The OL played pretty damn good for the first half of the football last week. And we only managed to put 7 points the entire half. So whats your explantion there? Was it Trevor or was it that oline needed to play good the entire game....

Trevor definitely had one of the worst games of his career on Monday, and he definitely has issues. But again he is not the biggest issue with this team right now.

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Things are too toxic here for TLaw.  It would be best if he could go somewhere else and leave this place in the rear view.

Could you only imagine..... just IMAGINE if he played for a franchise like the Philadelphia Eagles where there's tons of pressure every year to win. They would've drove Trevor out of town long ago, if you think its too toxic here... lol. Those fans dont play. Trevor plays for a quiet good franchise that is very patient evident by the users on this board.

I could imagine TLaw playing behind that OL and throwing to DSmith/ABrown.

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You are not comparing the same metrics. Time to throw is not the same as "highest average time between snap and throwing ball or receiving pressure" which is what you are giving. 

You would have to remove the bold as they are not the same thing, that's combining two different stats as I am only speaking about the OL protection regardless of QB. A useful stat for sure but would highlight how well (or how bad) Trevor gets the ball out in combination of OL protection not just focused on OL protection itself. I'll have to look at the stats this year but the previous two Trevor was among the best in the NFL at getting the ball out fast. 

As I've said he's horrible this year no arguments there. He is playing as a bottom tier QB and has earned a lot of blame. Hopefully he gets better he needs to improve majorly to state the obvious. I don't agree with no excuses however, he's got a valid reason for part of his poor play. OL protection is major contributor to QB play as football starts with blocking. It's not a fundamental problem that needs to be addressed, it's the problem to address first otherwise it doesn't really matter who they bring in or play. Every single play on offense depends on and builds off blocking. If the OL can't block at least okay enough, enough times in a game the QB and the rest simply can't function. You can have a HOFer at every skill position but if the OL opens up the floodgates it won't matter as you won't have time to throw it and you won't have the space to run anywhere. Trevor might be a problem to address as well but by nature of football and how the game works the first has got to get corrected. I agree there are no excuses for the fumbles/missing basic layup passes ect ect that is all Trevor. The OL is the chief reason for the dysfunction on offense

The OL played pretty damn good for the first half of the football last week. And we only managed to put 7 points the entire half. So whats your explantion there? Was it Trevor or was it that oline needed to play good the entire game....

Are you having trouble reading today? Here are two sentences from the post you replied to that might help you:

"As I've said he's horrible this year no arguments there. He is playing as a bottom tier QB and has earned a lot of blame"

"Trevor might be a problem to address as well but by nature of football and how the game works the first has got to get corrected. I agree there are no excuses for the fumbles/missing basic layup passes ect ect that is all Trevor."

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The OL played pretty damn good for the first half of the football last week. And we only managed to put 7 points the entire half. So whats your explantion there? Was it Trevor or was it that oline needed to play good the entire game....

Are you having trouble reading today? Here are two sentences from the post you replied to that might help you:

"As I've said he's horrible this year no arguments there. He is playing as a bottom tier QB and has earned a lot of blame"

"Trevor might be a problem to address as well but by nature of football and how the game works the first has got to get corrected. I agree there are no excuses for the fumbles/missing basic layup passes ect ect that is all Trevor."

I did read all your post by the way, but you just said football starts on the trenches and the lines for a QB to be successful, so why are we not seeing results from Trevor when they DO play at times like an NFL oline?

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The Jags can't trade him for two reasons.  A. His contract has a no-trade clause.  B. His contract was just signed and the dead money is $142M, $133M, and $116M over the next three years.

A no trade clause just means Lawrence has to agree to it. Pretty sure a team willing take him on would have a better OC than the Jags and Trevor could be interested.

The contract as written is set up for option bonuses that get guaranteed effectively at the beginning of the next football year. So a post June 1st trade, this season would only net 2024 Dead Cap: $13,529,725 and 2025 Dead Cap: $30,000,000 per Spotrac. Over the Cap shows relatively similar figures. They are guaranteed as part of the contract, but they were not considered a signing bonus and have not been paid out by the Jaguars yet. That is why the Dead cap is different for cutting him versus trading him.

You misunderstand what you're looking at on Spotrac. Most of the options are part of the guarantees which is represented by the dead cap.  The 2027 option is mostly ($29M of $35M) already guaranteed.  Only the 2028 option is not guaranteed at this time.  All future guarantees and the full signing bonus have to be immediately recognized at the moment of trade which is how you get to calculate the dead cap figure.  Not sure where you're getting $30M as spotrac doesn't list that anywhere as a dead cap number for 2025, not even close.  It's as cland has it listed above as it's $133M, though it does drop to $88M in 2026, not $116M.

Now, could Trevor waive the no trade clause and the Jags negotiate another team to pick up some of the future guaranteed money instead of them being on the hook for it?  Perhaps, but if the team that drafted and then extended a guy is now trying to ship him off, nobody is going out of their way to take any significant financial burden off of the Jags or any other team in that scenario.  This trade fantasy around here is getting kind of ridiculous. He isn't going anywhere and if he does get traded it wouldn't be until at least 2027 when the dead cap drops to $44M which is still ridiculous but somewhat manageable.

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Trevor needs a mentor, the money's gone to his head, he doesn't have the drive, the will to win he used to. Bring in a Brady, Manning, Favre or somebody he'd respect for a sit-down and some motivation counseling.

Also his mechanics suck, continuously overthrows and other times throws bullets too hard to catch, partly because he's always in a hurry. Opposing defenses likely notice, just park a defender 10-15 yards behind the receiver he'll throw it right to you.

Or just bench him and go with Mac, can't be any worse and probably better, that’ll get his attention.

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A no trade clause just means Lawrence has to agree to it. Pretty sure a team willing take him on would have a better OC than the Jags and Trevor could be interested.

The contract as written is set up for option bonuses that get guaranteed effectively at the beginning of the next football year. So a post June 1st trade, this season would only net 2024 Dead Cap: $13,529,725 and 2025 Dead Cap: $30,000,000 per Spotrac. Over the Cap shows relatively similar figures. They are guaranteed as part of the contract, but they were not considered a signing bonus and have not been paid out by the Jaguars yet. That is why the Dead cap is different for cutting him versus trading him.

You misunderstand what you're looking at on Spotrac. Most of the options are part of the guarantees which is represented by the dead cap.  The 2027 option is mostly ($29M of $35M) already guaranteed.  Only the 2028 option is not guaranteed at this time.  All future guarantees and the full signing bonus have to be immediately recognized at the moment of trade which is how you get to calculate the dead cap figure.  Not sure where you're getting $30M as spotrac doesn't list that anywhere as a dead cap number for 2025, not even close.  It's as cland has it listed above as it's $133M, though it does drop to $88M in 2026, not $116M.

Now, could Trevor waive the no trade clause and the Jags negotiate another team to pick up some of the future guaranteed money instead of them being on the hook for it?  Perhaps, but if the team that drafted and then extended a guy is now trying to ship him off, nobody is going out of their way to take any significant financial burden off of the Jags or any other team in that scenario.  This trade fantasy around here is getting kind of ridiculous. He isn't going anywhere and if he does get traded it wouldn't be until at least 2027 when the dead cap drops to $44M which is still ridiculous but somewhat manageable.

I mean I could be completely misunderstanding it. I clicked the scissors symbol to the left, and it had this pop up:

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This was the columns from overthecap.com:

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Come on guys
U gotta admit it was funny qhen mac came in and immediately got sacked and fumbled

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Looking at the CBA from NFLPA the sections in question would be these two:

(ii)
(1) Acceleration.
For any player removed from the Team’s roster, or whose Contract is assigned to another Club via waivers or trade, on or before June 1 in any League Year prior to the Final League Year, or at any time during the Final League Year, any unamortized signing bonus amounts will be included in Team Salary for such League Year, except that for each League Year preceding the Final League Year, each Club may designate up to two Player Contracts that, if terminated (i) on or after the first day of that League Year; and (ii) on or prior to June 1 and if not renegotiated after the last regular season game of the prior League Year, shall be treated (except to the extent prescribed by Section 6(d)(iv) below) as if terminated on June 2, i.e., the Salary Cap charge for each such contract will remain in the Club’s Team Salary until June 2, at which time its Paragraph 5 Salary and any unearned LTBE incentives will no longer be counted and any unamortized signing bonus will be treated as set forth in Subsection (2) below. If acceleration puts a Team over the Salary Cap, the Team will have seven days to conform with the Salary Cap, but may not sign any players until there is Room to do so under the Salary Cap.

(2) For any player removed from the Team’s roster or whose Contract is assigned via waivers or trade after June 1, except in the Final League Year, any unamortized signing bonus amounts for future years will be included fully in Team Salary at the start of the next League Year.

(3) In the event that a player who has had a signing bonus allocated over the years of his Player Contract is traded, or whose Contract is assigned to another team pursuant to the NFL’s waiver procedure, the Team Salary of the player’s new team will not include any portion of the signing bonus.

and this:

Traded Contracts.
(i)In the event that a Player Contract is assigned to another NFL Team, either by trade or pursuant to the NFL’s waiver procedure, the assignee Team will count as part of its Team Salary only that portion of the player’s Salary which remains unpaid and for which the Team may be obligated. The assignor Team will continue to count as part of its Team Salary only that portion of the player’s Salary which has already been paid by the Team and/or any Salary for which the Team remains obligated.

(ii) Subject to the requirements of Article 9, Section 3(h) of this Agreement, a Club is not required to have Room to execute a Player Contract with a player who is subject to any Required Tender permitted by Articles 8, 9, or 10 of this Agreement at the time the Player Contract is executed if the player is assigned to another Club via a trade on the same business day as the execution of the contract, and the assignee Club has or makes Room for such Player Contract.

I can see the confusion now. It is based on how the "Option Bonuses" are classified because they were not a signing bonus but are guaranteed and basically will always be paid. I always thought it was how you analyzed it, until I looked at the Spotrac website. I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not sure how to interpret the language for that accurately.

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You misunderstand what you're looking at on Spotrac. Most of the options are part of the guarantees which is represented by the dead cap.  The 2027 option is mostly ($29M of $35M) already guaranteed.  Only the 2028 option is not guaranteed at this time.  All future guarantees and the full signing bonus have to be immediately recognized at the moment of trade which is how you get to calculate the dead cap figure.  Not sure where you're getting $30M as spotrac doesn't list that anywhere as a dead cap number for 2025, not even close.  It's as cland has it listed above as it's $133M, though it does drop to $88M in 2026, not $116M.

Now, could Trevor waive the no trade clause and the Jags negotiate another team to pick up some of the future guaranteed money instead of them being on the hook for it?  Perhaps, but if the team that drafted and then extended a guy is now trying to ship him off, nobody is going out of their way to take any significant financial burden off of the Jags or any other team in that scenario.  This trade fantasy around here is getting kind of ridiculous. He isn't going anywhere and if he does get traded it wouldn't be until at least 2027 when the dead cap drops to $44M which is still ridiculous but somewhat manageable.

I mean I could be completely misunderstanding it. I clicked the scissors symbol to the left, and it had this pop up:

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This was the columns from overthecap.com:

Interesting.  The notes below the contract on Spotrac explain that the options are fully guaranteed thru 2026 and mostly guaranteed in 2027.  When you add them all up with the signing bonus you get the dead cap figure.  I understand the pre and post cut/trade of pushing some of the dead cap into the following year, but those numbers you linked don't make sense given the options aren't really options if they are already guaranteed as it states.  It's only counting the signing bonus on the trade calculation.  Maybe the fact they are "options" means the dead cap for them trades with the player?  Or perhaps the dead cap for it doesn't get accelerated into the current year but remains in the option year?  Or perhaps they are treating them as non-guaranteed options and are not properly accounting the full ramifications?  I don't think I've looked at a contract that's set up this way before with so much mostly guaranteed option money.  Either way, if the team that drafted and extended a guy is suddenly looking to and willing to ship him off, that should be a red flag to any other GM and they're not going to be doing us any cap favors in the process as someone is on the hook for those guarantees. They have to be paid and they have to be accounted for against someone's cap (probably ours).  If the receiving team is on the hook, I'd bet they'd be negotiating for us to pay for and eat a lot of that option cap hit to get rid of our "problem".  It's just not happening.  You don't sign a guy to that deal and then 3 games in say "you know what?  Nah."

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I mean I could be completely misunderstanding it. I clicked the scissors symbol to the left, and it had this pop up:

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This was the columns from overthecap.com:

Interesting.  The notes below the contract on Spotrac explain that the options are fully guaranteed thru 2026 and mostly guaranteed in 2027.  When you add them all up with the signing bonus you get the dead cap figure.  I understand the pre and post cut/trade of pushing some of the dead cap into the following year, but those numbers you linked don't make sense given the options aren't really options if they are already guaranteed as it states.  It's only counting the signing bonus on the trade calculation.  Maybe the fact they are "options" means the dead cap for them trades with the player?  Or perhaps the dead cap for it doesn't get accelerated into the current year but remains in the option year?  Or perhaps they are treating them as non-guaranteed options and are not properly accounting the full ramifications?  I don't think I've looked at a contract that's set up this way before with so much mostly guaranteed option money.  Either way, if the team that drafted and extended a guy is suddenly looking to and willing to ship him off, that should be a red flag to any other GM and they're not going to be doing us any cap favors in the process as someone is on the hook for those guarantees. They have to be paid and they have to be accounted for against someone's cap (probably ours).  If the receiving team is on the hook, I'd bet they'd be negotiating for us to pay for and eat a lot of that option cap hit to get rid of our "problem".  It's just not happening.  You don't sign a guy to that deal and then 3 games in say "you know what?  Nah."

Trevor is here for at least 3 more seasons.  Trevor should be here for the rest of his career.  The fact that he looks like dog water right now is not an indictment on Trevor.  It's an indictment on Baalke and Pederson.

This thread is beginning to jump the shark.  We're not trading him for lesser QBs.  There isn't a QB out there that I'd rather have that we could possibly get.  There isn't a better QB out there worth trying to chase after.  

If you want to use this thread to complain about the short-comings of Lawrence, cool.  But this sudden shift in the discussion to trading or cutting bait on Trevor Lawrence is beyond the scope of normal human reasoning.  Come on, ya'll.  Let's get back to a normal discussion.  

Is Trevor Lawrence broken at this moment?  Yes.  Can he turn it around?  Not with the current coaching staff and how they are running the offense.  Can this be fixed?  Yes.  But we have to hire an honest to goodness HC/OC that knows how to run a modern NFL offense and has the passion to actually turn this thing around.

We're not getting rid of Lawrence.  Let's talk about things that are realistic.

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Much like what happened with David Garrard. They had a reliable solution to their QB position for very, very cheap, and, instead of taking advantage of that and building around that they opted to take the easiest out for regime change sake. 

Here's the thing, had Khan made the right hire from the beginning back when they drafted Lawrence? Maybe there's a good chance that coaching staff doesn't start him right away. They actually give Minshew 10 - 12 weeks to build up his trade value before starting Lawrence.

Or, maybe Minshew wins enough under that new coaching staff, to where, you can go the Green Bay Packers route and sit Lawrence for another year or two. It would have done him some good. He was young enough to merit that path when he left Clemson.

I mean they had Urban Meyer in charge. I'm sure Baalke has some blood on his hands for all that fiasco, but most of that blame goes to Mr. lap dance.

On a more serious note, I agree that rushing Lawrence out there and trading Minshew was short sighted and probably influenced by all the media hype of "generational prospect."

It was a massive mistake. There was no reason to jump the gun and throw him out there. I can't recall all of the coaching candidates the team looked at in 2021, but, the Lions ended up hiring Dan Campbell. The Eagles ended up replacing Doug Pederson that same year with Nick Sirianni. 

There was a 72 hour difference between Pederson being fired by Philadelphia on January 11th and then our announcement of hiring Urban Meyer on the 14th. It's a shame we didn't pause for just a split second longer there as an organization. 

I think today's team would be drastically different had Doug been able to maybe immediately jump from Philadelphia and into this situation with Jacksonville from the very beginning with Minshew and Lawrence. 

I don't know. We'll see what the future holds with fourteen more games to go, but, if Khan goes in a different direction. I just hope like hell he gets rid of everybody, hires a team of experts and lets them decide what's best for his future and this franchise. 

It's bittersweet seeing how fast Washington seems to be on track already and Jayden Daniels ABSOLUTELY looked the part in his Monday Night Football debut. Just looking at their overall staff, they have a great mix of veterans along with guys that recently played the game and are very good at what they do. Look at some of these names on this staff.

HC- Dan Quinn - Former SB caliber HC in ATL
OC- Kliff Kingsbury - Former HC in ARZ
DC- Joe Whitt Jr - Came over from DAL with Quinn, was apart of making Diggs and a few other guys household names in DAL's secondary the last two years
ST- Larry Izzo - Longtime NFL great Special Team's player with MIA and NE
RB/Run Game- Anthony Lynn - Former HC in SD/LAC
LB/Pass Rush- Ryan Kerrigan - Washington Great OLB
DB's- William Gay, good role player with the Steelers
DL- Shariff Floyd and Daryl Tapp

That's a solid little coaching staff that they put together with a lot of recent head coaching experience which helps create accountability on a very manageable level. Some guys are just better specialists or coordinators than they are at trying to tackle the whole damn operation as the head coach.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."