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#1

If you had a friend or family member going through a very painful and difficult time, would you recommend counseling? Why or why not?
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#2

I think I would. Often, just having someone to talk to can make a big difference, and it can be hard to open up to a family member or friend.
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(This post was last modified: 09-09-2024, 02:17 PM by Caldrac. Edited 1 time in total.)

(09-09-2024, 01:06 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: If you had a friend or family member going through a very painful and difficult time, would you recommend counseling? Why or why not?

Yes. Some people are too stubborn for their own good and beyond reasoning at times. Nobody should take offense to that when recommended neither. 

So, I am in full agreement. Let's get Mikesez help as soon as possible. We can set-up an intervention, bring some fruit punch and snacks, sing koombaya, [BLEEP] like that, however you spell it.
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(09-09-2024, 01:06 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: If you had a friend or family member going through a very painful and difficult time, would you recommend counseling? Why or why not?
The real question is here why wouldn’t you recommend counseling? Seems like there’s no downside.
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(This post was last modified: 09-09-2024, 05:31 PM by WingerDinger. Edited 1 time in total.)

(09-09-2024, 02:16 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(09-09-2024, 01:06 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: If you had a friend or family member going through a very painful and difficult time, would you recommend counseling? Why or why not?

Yes. Some people are too stubborn for their own good and beyond reasoning at times. Nobody should take offense to that when recommended neither. 

So, I am in full agreement. Let's get Mikesez help as soon as possible. We can set-up an intervention, bring some fruit punch and snacks, sing koombaya, [BLEEP] like that, however you spell it.

I got bars or soap and a [BLEEP] loads of pillow cases.. 

Cans of Coke work well too..

That's an intervention..
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(09-09-2024, 05:51 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: I think I would.  Often, just having someone to talk to can make a big difference, and it can be hard to open up to a family member or friend.

I agree. Friends and family don't always know how to be objective. They also want to solve the problem when sometimes you just need to vent.
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#7

I would and I do.
When my friends and family are in rough patches, I try my best to say encouraging things, and every now and then I mix in a "but what do I know, I'm not a counselor."
I also encourage people to start going to church (or other place of worship) if they haven't been in a while.
My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.
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(09-09-2024, 02:16 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(09-09-2024, 01:06 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: If you had a friend or family member going through a very painful and difficult time, would you recommend counseling? Why or why not?

Yes. Some people are too stubborn for their own good and beyond reasoning at times. Nobody should take offense to that when recommended neither. 

So, I am in full agreement. Let's get Mikesez help as soon as possible. We can set-up an intervention, bring some fruit punch and snacks, sing koombaya, [BLEEP] like that, however you spell it.

Thanks buddy!
I'm more of a lemonade guy, but the Gullah Geechee spiritual was perfect! Y'all could start a choir.
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(09-09-2024, 01:06 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: If you had a friend or family member going through a very painful and difficult time, would you recommend counseling? Why or why not?

Just remember the acronym WWWDD.   

When confronted with difficult situations, I often ask myself What Would WingerDinger Do?  I then take that path forward and the situation typically gets resolved with a positive outcome.
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(10-03-2024, 09:28 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote:
(09-09-2024, 01:06 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: If you had a friend or family member going through a very painful and difficult time, would you recommend counseling? Why or why not?

Just remember the acronym WWWDD.   

When confronted with difficult situations, I often ask myself What Would WingerDinger Do?  I then take that path forward and the situation typically gets resolved with a positive outcome.

Just like my momma always said, one day I'd be helpful..
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(09-09-2024, 01:06 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: If you had a friend or family member going through a very painful and difficult time, would you recommend counseling? Why or why not?

I recently did this for my niece and it is working wonders so far. 

She was not getting parental support emotionally or otherwise (she's a young adult) and had sunken into depression. 

She's learning self worth and pride in her efforts and succeeding in a new job and a new living situation with some support from me and her grandparents.
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(10-03-2024, 10:00 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(09-09-2024, 01:06 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: If you had a friend or family member going through a very painful and difficult time, would you recommend counseling? Why or why not?

I recently did this for my niece and it is working wonders so far. 

She was not getting parental support emotionally or otherwise (she's a young adult) and had sunken into depression. 

She's learning self worth and pride in her efforts and succeeding in a new job and a new living situation with some support from me and her grandparents.

Sounds rough. Glad she's getting help and support now. Not sure what it's like for women to be honest with you. I just pound pre workout and zone out in the gym six times per week for a good hour and sweat it out in the sauna. 

Guess that beats picking up a cocaine habit and a gambling addiction. Therapy and counseling is not a one size fits all. Everybody is wired differently and their environment and even genetics can play a hand or two in how we all read and react situation to situation. 

It's all about breaking the cycle nine times out of ten.
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(10-03-2024, 11:47 AM)Caldrac Wrote:
(10-03-2024, 10:00 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: I recently did this for my niece and it is working wonders so far. 

She was not getting parental support emotionally or otherwise (she's a young adult) and had sunken into depression. 

She's learning self worth and pride in her efforts and succeeding in a new job and a new living situation with some support from me and her grandparents.

Sounds rough. Glad she's getting help and support now. Not sure what it's like for women to be honest with you. I just pound pre workout and zone out in the gym six times per week for a good hour and sweat it out in the sauna. 

Guess that beats picking up a cocaine habit and a gambling addiction. Therapy and counseling is not a one size fits all. Everybody is wired differently and their environment and even genetics can play a hand or two in how we all read and react situation to situation. 

It's all about breaking the cycle nine times out of ten.

Yeah, life can hand anyone a crap sandwich from time to time and some folks need more help to get through it than others. 

My Pops always just gave me and my brother the tough love routine - you know - "suck it up kid and go be stronger than the problem" It worked with us. 

That didn't work with her, and my bro basically gave up on her when it didn't. 

Luckily in this instance some counseling and some support from other family members are getting her on track. 

I've been hitting the gym more lately to deal with my own stress levels. It helps. 
My work responsibilities have grown along with business growth which means profit for me, but it also means solving lots more problems each month and that can mess up your ability to stay level and patient. Added stress needs an outlet. 

My GF wants me to see a therapist just to make sure I'm managing it well. 
I might. 
Not opposed to good advice if I can get it.
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#14

I personally will never go see a therapist again.

Many years ago my wife and I went (as directed when I was in the military).  It wasn't for "marriage issues" or anything like that, it was to "help" us deal with one of our children that was having some problems at the time.  After sitting with this "therapist" for around an hour or so she asked me to leave the room.  She then started telling my wife that I was an abusive person with "anger issues" and would abuse her sooner or later.  She was actually trying to persuade my wife to leave me.

35 years later and I have never once laid hands on my wife in anger.  Heck, I can count on one hand the number of times that my wife ever made me angry.

I'm sure that there are some therapists that really help people, but that experience turned me off as far as the idea.


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(10-03-2024, 03:34 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: I personally will never go see a therapist again.

Many years ago my wife and I went (as directed when I was in the military).  It wasn't for "marriage issues" or anything like that, it was to "help" us deal with one of our children that was having some problems at the time.  After sitting with this "therapist" for around an hour or so she asked me to leave the room.  She then started telling my wife that I was an abusive person with "anger issues" and would abuse her sooner or later.  She was actually trying to persuade my wife to leave me.

35 years later and I have never once laid hands on my wife in anger.  Heck, I can count on one hand the number of times that my wife ever made me angry.

I'm sure that there are some therapists that really help people, but that experience turned me off as far as the idea.

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(This post was last modified: 10-03-2024, 04:12 PM by Caldrac. Edited 2 times in total.)

(10-03-2024, 01:02 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(10-03-2024, 11:47 AM)Caldrac Wrote: Sounds rough. Glad she's getting help and support now. Not sure what it's like for women to be honest with you. I just pound pre workout and zone out in the gym six times per week for a good hour and sweat it out in the sauna. 

Guess that beats picking up a cocaine habit and a gambling addiction. Therapy and counseling is not a one size fits all. Everybody is wired differently and their environment and even genetics can play a hand or two in how we all read and react situation to situation. 

It's all about breaking the cycle nine times out of ten.

Yeah, life can hand anyone a crap sandwich from time to time and some folks need more help to get through it than others. 

My Pops always just gave me and my brother the tough love routine - you know - "suck it up kid and go be stronger than the problem" It worked with us. 

That didn't work with her, and my bro basically gave up on her when it didn't. 

Luckily in this instance some counseling and some support from other family members are getting her on track. 

I've been hitting the gym more lately to deal with my own stress levels. It helps. 
My work responsibilities have grown along with business growth which means profit for me, but it also means solving lots more problems each month and that can mess up your ability to stay level and patient. Added stress needs an outlet. 

My GF wants me to see a therapist just to make sure I'm managing it well. 
I might. 
Not opposed to good advice if I can get it.

Whatever works for you. I don't judge. I think a lot of people, again, we're all wired differently. 

Some people will [BLEEP] on therapy for a variety of reasons while behind closed doors? They're struggling internally and externally. They'll "self-medicate" with a hidden addiction or habit.

Alcohol, drugs, whether legally or illegally, etc. It's the worst kept secret in our country. We have a massive mental health issue here. A lot of us are quietly suffering and just bobbing and weaving through the burnout. 

It can be lonely sometimes. Even in a room filled with loved ones or friends. Sometimes I am guilty of that "1,000 yard stare" in the middle of social gatherings. Some folks will call me out on it. Most don't. I just shut down after awhile and tune people out without realizing it. Not one for small talk. At all. 

It really does take effort and self coaching sometimes, even shadow work to a degree. I have to literally tell myself 'Put this down, give your family attention, put this away, put it away, put it down, give them attention, are you giving them attention, are you really listening to them?".

Hate to say this openly, but, there's days where I sometimes forget I have a son and a wife. Usually while I am on the job. It's an autopilot thing. We spend time together and what not, but, like I said, it's like being on an island sometimes. There's time. Then there's quality time. There's looking. Then there's seeing. There's listening. Then there's hearing. 

Break the cycle. A lot of us are out there trying to juggle 500 things at once, multitasking, worrying about being a good partner, a good father, a good brother, a good friend, a good son, a good husband, a good employee and then you have this whole other side of yourself that you're always working on whether it's shoring up a bad habit, working out, learning something new, taking care of the house, taking care of the jobs that need to be done, etc.

No shame in simply saying "I need help". Support is absolutely needed. It's a fundamental trait of being a human being. None of us got here on our own. What makes you think in the long run you can do it on your own? Hell, take a look around, the game is rigged and designed to punish you for that. Both, in nature and in society.

Trying to balance that all out? Literally balance it all out? It'll break you eventually.
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#17

When you no longer fear death or the fear of loss, you become free..
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(10-03-2024, 05:32 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: When you no longer fear death or the fear of loss, you become free..

You're hired ... Start with the yard, it's a mess.
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(10-03-2024, 06:55 PM)Sammy Wrote:
(10-03-2024, 05:32 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: When you no longer fear death or the fear of loss, you become free..

You're hired ... Start with the yard, it's a mess.

I'm free, not stupid  Wink
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(This post was last modified: 10-04-2024, 08:51 AM by Mikey.)

(10-03-2024, 03:34 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: I personally will never go see a therapist again.

Many years ago my wife and I went (as directed when I was in the military).  It wasn't for "marriage issues" or anything like that, it was to "help" us deal with one of our children that was having some problems at the time.  After sitting with this "therapist" for around an hour or so she asked me to leave the room.  She then started telling my wife that I was an abusive person with "anger issues" and would abuse her sooner or later.  She was actually trying to persuade my wife to leave me.

35 years later and I have never once laid hands on my wife in anger.  Heck, I can count on one hand the number of times that my wife ever made me angry.

I'm sure that there are some therapists that really help people, but that experience turned me off as far as the idea.

The missing detail is whether or not you struck the therapist. Ninja 

That last bit is the key - there are many counselors out there, and with that comes variance in capability (yours sucked donkey butt) and if one doesn't align well with you, it's good to see if you can find a better fit elsewhere. Help is out there, sometimes we just have to browse around to find the one that works best.

(10-03-2024, 05:32 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: When you no longer fear death or the fear of loss, you become free..

....or you make stupid decisions like sheltering in place with a cat 4 slobberknocker bearing down on you
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