Andy Reid's evaluation of talent easily surpasses Caldwell's and Bradley's. I would also say he would have optimized our roster within the constraints of free agency, draft and salaries. He was the guy who selected Donovan McNabb in 99 when the rest of Philly booed. He also gave Michael Vick a shot after years of inactivity when other teams didn't want to touch him.


After a decade of sucking, he would have brought an element to this franchise we've never seen, and that is a proven coach. Instead, we're still searching for that diamond in the rough while we become further ingrained as the laughingstock of the NFL.


Regards.....................the Chiefjag

We have seen it before.... his name was Coughlin.

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We have seen it before.... his name was Coughlin.

 

But it was his insistence on playing GM that got him fired after he helped put us in cap hell.

 

We had a top notch coach, what we haven't had is a top notch GM.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

I really don't know if this team is doing the right thing.  It's really hard to tell

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But it was his insistence on playing GM that got him fired after he helped put us in cap hell.

 

We had a top notch coach, what we haven't had is a top notch GM.

 

He along with Michael Huyghue (who no one ever wants to give his proper share of blame) were both responsible for the cap hell. 

 

At least Coughlin was usually pretty good with the first rounders. He rarely missed, and when he did hit, it was usually a pro bowl level player at best, solid starter at worst; Boselli, Hardy, Wynn, Taylor, Darius, Bryant, Pothead (only 1st round bust) , Stroud, Henderson.

 

He also drafted Rob Johnson in the 4th round that parlayed into Fred Taylor & Tavian Banks. But I guess he gets no credit as a GM for all of that. Just overblame him for the cap problems. 

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We have seen it before.... his name was Coughlin.

 

In Coughlin's case he was HIGHLY recommended by Bill Parcells. Bill Parcells was the NFL guru of coaches and his diciples still rule the NFL. So, how many times, and how many years, do you want to suffer through Shack Harris, Gene Smith, Jack Del Rio, Mike Mularkeys before you land a diamond in the rough? Ten more years, 3 more coaches? Twenty more years, 5 more coaches? WE HAVE SUCKED FOR A DECADE!!!!!!

 

 

They want to build through the draft but flounder on the roulette wheel of promoting assistants! Unbelievable!!! 

 

Regards.........................the Chiefjag

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Teams go through rough patches in sports. We as Jaguars fans have been lucky in regards to success. It started early and lasted several years. There's even been a few years in the last decade where the team wasn't bad. It's not unusual for a team to have many down years in the NFL. It's a cycle and all teams go through it.


Yes this team has been bad and I want nothing more than for them to turn it around and be successful. I know it will get there at some point and I will enjoy the ride until then. This will make the success even sweeter.

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Teams go through rough patches in sports. We as Jaguars fans have been lucky in regards to success. It started early and lasted several years. There's even been a few years in the last decade where the team wasn't bad. It's not unusual for a team to have many down years in the NFL. It's a cycle and all teams go through it.

 

I can agree with this. 

 

Cleveland hasn't been to the playoffs since they returned in '99.  I don't even beleive they have had a winning season since the early 90s. Vinny Testaverde?.

Green Bay Stunk for many years before Farve.

The 49ers were a horrible team for years after Young Retired.

The dolphins, bills,raiders,rams,Saints, etc.  All have had stretches of bad seasons in recent memory.

 

The NFL has done a very good job of creating parity. 

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I can agree with this. 

 

Cleveland hasn't been to the playoffs since they returned in '99.  I don't even beleive they have had a winning season since the early 90s. Vinny Testaverde?.

Green Bay Stunk for many years before Farve.

The 49ers were a horrible team for years after Young Retired.

The dolphins, bills,raiders,rams,Saints, etc.  All have had stretches of bad seasons in recent memory.

 

The NFL has done a very good job of creating parity. 

 

Misery loves company, huh? Why seek  solace in sucking with the Bills, Raiders, et. al. instead of regret for not reaching relevancy like the Patriots, Colts, Giants, 49'ers, Packers, Saints, etc.?

 

I know the NFL's ambition to achieve parity but there are teams who achieve perpetual success despite the rules which influence parity? It comes from the top of the organization.  

 

Regards..........................the Chiefjag

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Misery loves company, huh? Why seek  solace in sucking with the Bills, Raiders, et. al. instead of regret for not reaching relevancy like the Patriots, Colts, Giants, 49'ers, Packers, Saints, etc.?

 

I know the NFL's ambition to achieve parity but there are teams who achieve perpetual success despite the rules which influence parity? It comes from the top of the organization.  

 

Regards..........................the Chiefjag

Listen man,  This roster is in the shape it's in cause of Gene Smith.  He had 4 terrible drafts in a row.  There are only a couple of players left on the team from his draft picks and they are nothing but average.  Gene Smith was a cancer to this organization.  I'm giving Caldwell time to build this team before I judge.  This is not a current regimes probelm.

 

I and a few others were smart enough to see Gene Smith was a bum and were insulted by all the "smart ones" on the board.  I believe if the jaguars had a competent GM in place this team would of been much better off.

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Misery loves company, huh? Why seek solace in sucking with the Bills, Raiders, et. al. instead of regret for not reaching relevancy like the Patriots, Colts, Giants, 49'ers, Packers, Saints, etc.?


I know the NFL's ambition to achieve parity but there are teams who achieve perpetual success despite the rules which influence parity? It comes from the top of the organization.


Regards..........................the Chiefjag

You do realize that every great franchise has to start somewhere right? The Pats hired Bellicheck who was very very average in Cleveland. Ravens hires a dbs coach named Harbaugh... and 49ers hired his college coach bro.


Everyone has to start somewhere and maybe this is where we start. Our rock bottom before the uphill climb. Grab some beers, eat some wings and enjoy the show (or lack their of during this year)

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We were 2-14 last year. What did you expect? Caldwell to bring back alot of guys from that team?

 

The defense was way better last year then this year, and we've gone over this record is not an evaluation on every player on the roster. By that same logic the Chiefs where 2-14 should they have let go players like Brandon Flowers, Jamal Charles, ect.....?

 

Broken argument, a 2-14 team is not fully void of any talent, it is severly lacking of enough talent and a bigger conviction of lack of quality coaching then anything.

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The only one in that group worth considering to resign in my eyes was Smith and he wasn't changing anything this year.

 

Did we upgrade or downgrade the position by letting Smith go and bringing in Geno Heyes?

 

I might be way off here, but I really don't have a huge issue with the defense. I understand it still has some fixing to do, but I see a lot of potential. I like the way they shut down (out)  KC (adjustments) from the mid 2nd Q on. 

 

Oakland didn't do a heckuva lot against them, point-wise....yeah, McFadden had a decent day, but McFadden is a really good RB when healthy. 

 

Let's just wait until Sunday when we play a team with a good QB, we'll see how promosing this Defense looks.

 

I'm saying it was time to move on. 

 

Moving on is fine, but you have to have something to move on to. Moving onto Geno Heyes or some UDFA, no thanks.

 

Teams go through rough patches in sports. We as Jaguars fans have been lucky in regards to success. It started early and lasted several years. There's even been a few years in the last decade where the team wasn't bad. It's not unusual for a team to have many down years in the NFL. It's a cycle and all teams go through it.


Yes this team has been bad and I want nothing more than for them to turn it around and be successful. I know it will get there at some point and I will enjoy the ride until then. This will make the success even sweeter.

 

Let's be honest we had 4 great years, from 1996 season till 1999 after that it's been a downhill ride with one uptick in 07. You call that lucky? You call that success? 

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The defense was way better last year then this year, and we've gone over this record is not an evaluation on every player on the roster. By that same logic the Chiefs where 2-14 should they have let go players like Brandon Flowers, Jamal Charles, ect.....?


Broken argument, a 2-14 team is not fully void of any talent, it is severly lacking of enough talent and a bigger conviction of lack of quality coaching then anything.

This team didn't let anyone on the level of Flowers or Charles go. You aren't making in point here because the Chiefs had a considerable amount of talent on the roster when Andy Reid showed up. Specifically on defense. They weren't 2-14 in terms of talent last year, on defense specifically.


Last years defense was much better than this years? We're only through two games, how can you come to that conclusion? Througb two games I'd argue the defense is better than last years team all things considered. Even with being in the field as much as they've been.

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Did we upgrade or downgrade the position by letting Smith go and bringing in Geno Heyes?

 

Let's be honest we had 4 great years, from 1996 season till 1999 after that it's been a downhill ride with one uptick in 07. You call that lucky? You call that success?

1) Neither guy would be in the long term plans of the team, so what does it really matter? I can't believe anyone could hold this much animosity against the new front office over the likes of players like Cox, Knighton, or even Daryl Smith. None of them would make an impact on this season or the long term future of the team. Daryl Smith would have been nice to have for a year or two but it didn't work out. Hardly anything to make a fuss over.


2) I am being honest. The Jaguars found great success as an opening franchise. AFC Championship games in the first few years of a franchise is a big deal. This team hasn't been truly bad for THAT long. The year it needed to be with Andrew Luck and RGIII we missed out. This year I see a guy that could be on that level and I don't want to miss out. I'm willing to struggle to get the first pick in the draft and a shot at a elite player in the most important position on sports. It will get better, all we have to do is wait.

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Well lets all get ready for this sunday when we beat the seahawks.

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snowwolf titans owner in madden.

note titans owner means im undeafted againest them. 

Well lets all get ready for this sunday when we beat the seahawks.

Is your friend at least giving you the point spread? If not please humor our advice from the old MB.

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The defense was way better last year then this year, and we've gone over this record is not an evaluation on every player on the roster. By that same logic the Chiefs where 2-14 should they have let go players like Brandon Flowers, Jamal Charles, ect.....?

 

Broken argument, a 2-14 team is not fully void of any talent, it is severly lacking of enough talent and a bigger conviction of lack of quality coaching then anything.

 

How is that the same? Those two are Pro Bowl players. You're talking about Derek Cox and Terrance Knighton. Average players that are easily replacable.

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No matter how bad things may get with this team, those of us who have been here through thick and thin will continue to support this team.


The first two games have certainly been a test for most, and the frustrations we all feel are only natural. But, a time will come when this team is on the upswing, and success returns. These challenging times will make it all that much sweeter.


Patience is going to be required, but I continue to remain optimistic we have the right people in place to address the years of abuse this team has been subjected to. It won't be a quick fix, but most things worth having take time to develop.


It's not a pretty picture right now, but it will get better.

 

This reminded me of SNL's Stuart Smalley...LOL.  If you are younger and don't know who I am referring to, check out a Youtube.

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The defense was way better last year then this year, and we've gone over this record is not an evaluation on every player on the roster. By that same logic the Chiefs where 2-14 should they have let go players like Brandon Flowers, Jamal Charles, ect.....?

 

Broken argument, a 2-14 team is not fully void of any talent, it is severly lacking of enough talent and a bigger conviction of lack of quality coaching then anything.

 

How was the defense way better last year? What?

 

I think what you are missing is the big picture thinking.

 

Why commit so much money to Derek Cox when he probably is not a good fit on this defense anyway?

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He along with Michael Huyghue (who no one ever wants to give his proper share of blame) were both responsible for the cap hell. 

 

At least Coughlin was usually pretty good with the first rounders. He rarely missed, and when he did hit, it was usually a pro bowl level player at best, solid starter at worst; Boselli, Hardy, Wynn, Taylor, Darius, Bryant, Pothead (only 1st round bust) , Stroud, Henderson.

 

He also drafted Rob Johnson in the 4th round that parlayed into Fred Taylor & Tavian Banks. But I guess he gets no credit as a GM for all of that. Just overblame him for the cap problems. 

 

"overblame"?

 

He was FIRED for the state he put the club in...

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."