Me too. Get the big guys early.

With the way Harrison has fallen off a cliff, dunno that I want him at LT. Definitely don't want to throw money at the oft-injured.

You would rather Luke Joeckel over Sauce Gardner?  Get the big guys early right?  It would be nice but you have to take the right guy.  Im not taking a tackle early just because its a need. Still a long way in the season and if Harrison has fallen off a cliff by season end like you say we need 2 tackles not just 1.  Also if you draft a tackle that is was very good at LT and played there his college career and change his position and he falls off a cliff, you might want to try him back at the position he was very good at.  Same with Armstead, he should be playing DT like he did in SF

I don't think that's what he's saying here. I think he's saying if he had to pick between getting lineman early or taking a risk on moving a guy over to another position in addition to spending more money via FA on an oft-injured lineman, it's better to draft your guy if he's there. 

If you think you're looking at the next Sauce Gardner? Yeah, you take him. Hopefully you had a good enough evaluation process though of figuring out your want's, need's and possibilities before the draft. 

Everything's a risk I guess. 

Hopefully it's not Baalke in the building or War Room anymore picking for this franchise though.

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You would rather Luke Joeckel over Sauce Gardner?  Get the big guys early right?  It would be nice but you have to take the right guy.  Im not taking a tackle early just because its a need. Still a long way in the season and if Harrison has fallen off a cliff by season end like you say we need 2 tackles not just 1.  Also if you draft a tackle that is was very good at LT and played there his college career and change his position and he falls off a cliff, you might want to try him back at the position he was very good at.  Same with Armstead, he should be playing DT like he did in SF

I don't think that's what he's saying here. I think he's saying if he had to pick between getting lineman early or taking a risk on moving a guy over to another position in addition to spending more money via FA on an oft-injured lineman, it's better to draft your guy if he's there. 

If you think you're looking at the next Sauce Gardner? Yeah, you take him. Hopefully you had a good enough evaluation process though of figuring out your want's, need's and possibilities before the draft. 

Everything's a risk I guess. 

Hopefully it's not Baalke in the building or War Room anymore picking for this franchise though.

The only problem with that is you dont know if your guy will be there when you pick unless you are picking in the first couple picks I guess.  Its also usually easier to find a RT than it is a LT as well.  At the end of the season if Harrision has fallen off a cliff like he said we need 2 tackles not just 1.  Id rather not start 2 rookie tackles next year, I dont think that would be best trying to fix Lawrence. Garrett Boles would be an option as well. Its a long way to go though and  a lot of football to be played to see how the rest of the seaon plays out. As far as moving Harrison to LT, you are just moving him back to the position he played his whole life outside from one game in college, it wouldnt be new to him and the positon he played at a high level that made him a 1st round draft pick.

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Me too. Get the big guys early.

With the way Harrison has fallen off a cliff, dunno that I want him at LT. Definitely don't want to throw money at the oft-injured.

You would rather Luke Joeckel over Sauce Gardner?  Get the big guys early right?  It would be nice but you have to take the right guy.  Im not taking a tackle early just because its a need. Still a long way in the season and if Harrison has fallen off a cliff by season end like you say we need 2 tackles not just 1.  Also if you draft a tackle that is was very good at LT and played there his college career and change his position and he falls off a cliff, you might want to try him back at the position he was very good at.  Same with Armstead, he should be playing DT like he did in SF

hyperbole is hyper.

You would want Penei Sewell over CJ Henderson? I can play dumb games too.

Are you saying that
1) CB at 1 is head and shoulders better than any linemen in the current darft
2) our need at CB outweighs our need at OL
3) if 1 or 2 is not the case, that all things being equal, you'd prefer to take CB over OL

If they are anywhere close evaluation-wise, you can't pass up the big guys. Sauce is great, he really is. But his team is not winning or losing games on his merit. You build a line that dominates, that will beat a team with a great CB every day of the week.

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You would rather Luke Joeckel over Sauce Gardner?  Get the big guys early right?  It would be nice but you have to take the right guy.  Im not taking a tackle early just because its a need. Still a long way in the season and if Harrison has fallen off a cliff by season end like you say we need 2 tackles not just 1.  Also if you draft a tackle that is was very good at LT and played there his college career and change his position and he falls off a cliff, you might want to try him back at the position he was very good at.  Same with Armstead, he should be playing DT like he did in SF

hyperbole is hyper.

You would want Penei Sewell over CJ Henderson? I can play dumb games too.

Are you saying that
1) CB at 1 is head and shoulders better than any linemen in the current darft
2) our need at CB outweighs our need at OL
3) if 1 or 2 is not the case, that all things being equal, you'd prefer to take CB over OL

If they are anywhere close evaluation-wise, you can't pass up the big guys. Sauce is great, he really is. But his team is not winning or losing games on his merit. You build a line that dominates, that will beat a team with a great CB every day of the week.

That's not a dumb game at all.  Sewell is the better player so you take Sewell which is my point.   As of now it is looking like there will be 2 elite CBs.  The only way I'm passing on either is if one of these OT's look like an elite tackle prospect, which i hope one is because LT imo is the 2nd most important position with edge.  We need blue chip elite players on this team and you have to get them when you can.

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You would rather Luke Joeckel over Sauce Gardner?  Get the big guys early right?  It would be nice but you have to take the right guy.  Im not taking a tackle early just because its a need. Still a long way in the season and if Harrison has fallen off a cliff by season end like you say we need 2 tackles not just 1.  Also if you draft a tackle that is was very good at LT and played there his college career and change his position and he falls off a cliff, you might want to try him back at the position he was very good at.  Same with Armstead, he should be playing DT like he did in SF

hyperbole is hyper.

You would want Penei Sewell over CJ Henderson? I can play dumb games too.

Are you saying that
1) CB at 1 is head and shoulders better than any linemen in the current darft
2) our need at CB outweighs our need at OL
3) if 1 or 2 is not the case, that all things being equal, you'd prefer to take CB over OL

If they are anywhere close evaluation-wise, you can't pass up the big guys. Sauce is great, he really is. But his team is not winning or losing games on his merit. You build a line that dominates, that will beat a team with a great CB every day of the week.

What they explain with the 1st pick is what i was saying.

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2025-nfl-...as-raiders

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hyperbole is hyper.

You would want Penei Sewell over CJ Henderson? I can play dumb games too.

Are you saying that
1) CB at 1 is head and shoulders better than any linemen in the current darft
2) our need at CB outweighs our need at OL
3) if 1 or 2 is not the case, that all things being equal, you'd prefer to take CB over OL

If they are anywhere close evaluation-wise, you can't pass up the big guys. Sauce is great, he really is. But his team is not winning or losing games on his merit. You build a line that dominates, that will beat a team with a great CB every day of the week.

What they explain with the 1st pick is what i was saying.

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2025-nfl-...as-raiders

meh.

I'm moving off the pick if he's so special. A fantastic DB isn't going to be the difference between a cellar dweller and a superb owl champ. Sneed was killing it for the chefs, they moved on from him and seem to be doing just fine. Meanwhile, Sauce has still never played a postseason game.

The difference between a great DB and a potentially great OL isn't enough for me to continue to forego building the thing that we all acknowledge is the priority. Move to where the value fits, but DB at 1 ain't changing our fortunes.

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What they explain with the 1st pick is what i was saying.

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2025-nfl-...as-raiders

meh.

I'm moving off the pick if he's so special. A fantastic DB isn't going to be the difference between a cellar dweller and a superb owl champ. Sneed was killing it for the chefs, they moved on from him and seem to be doing just fine. Meanwhile, Sauce has still never played a postseason game.

The difference between a great DB and a potentially great OL isn't enough for me to continue to forego building the thing that we all acknowledge is the priority. Move to where the value fits, but DB at 1 ain't changing our fortunes.

If we do pick 1st my hope is Campbell looks like an elite LT come draft time and I'm taking him but if not, I'm not passing on Hunter or trading back if he looks like a special player unless I get a get a kings ransom and teams don't do that unless it's a QB.  

We need special players regardless of position and that is one of the biggest reasons we have sucked for years.  You need starts and elite playees in this league to win SBs.  Joe Thomas was one of the best LTs ever and the Browns did nothing pretty much his whole career.  It's the biggest team sport and you have to find the best players you can find wherever.

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meh.

I'm moving off the pick if he's so special. A fantastic DB isn't going to be the difference between a cellar dweller and a superb owl champ. Sneed was killing it for the chefs, they moved on from him and seem to be doing just fine. Meanwhile, Sauce has still never played a postseason game.

The difference between a great DB and a potentially great OL isn't enough for me to continue to forego building the thing that we all acknowledge is the priority. Move to where the value fits, but DB at 1 ain't changing our fortunes.

If we do pick 1st my hope is Campbell looks like an elite LT come draft time and I'm taking him but if not, I'm not passing on Hunter or trading back if he looks like a special player unless I get a get a kings ransom and teams don't do that unless it's a QB.  

We need special players regardless of position and that is one of the biggest reasons we have sucked for years.  You need starts and elite playees in this league to win SBs.  Joe Thomas was one of the best LTs ever and the Browns did nothing pretty much his whole career.  It's the biggest team sport and you have to find the best players you can find wherever.

Bad example, because the Browns cape proves that without QB, nothing will happen. They had something like forty-threeve quarterbacks start during his career. How many picks did they waste trying to find "the guy"?

We (the team, maybe the board) *think* we have the QB. I agree that you don't forfeit value just to stack the cards on the offensive side, but a Joe Thomas would help us a heap more today than a Darelle Revis would. Like you said, it would be fortuitous if Campbell looks to be a dominant LT, and we somehow stay in the vicinity of where he'll be picked.

I don't foresee us picking first next April, but crazier things have happened.

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If we do pick 1st my hope is Campbell looks like an elite LT come draft time and I'm taking him but if not, I'm not passing on Hunter or trading back if he looks like a special player unless I get a get a kings ransom and teams don't do that unless it's a QB.  

We need special players regardless of position and that is one of the biggest reasons we have sucked for years.  You need starts and elite playees in this league to win SBs.  Joe Thomas was one of the best LTs ever and the Browns did nothing pretty much his whole career.  It's the biggest team sport and you have to find the best players you can find wherever.

Bad example, because the Browns cape proves that without QB, nothing will happen. They had something like forty-threeve quarterbacks start during his career. How many picks did they waste trying to find "the guy"?

We (the team, maybe the board) *think* we have the QB. I agree that you don't forfeit value just to stack the cards on the offensive side, but a Joe Thomas would help us a heap more today than a Darelle Revis would. Like you said, it would be fortuitous if Campbell looks to be a dominant LT, and we somehow stay in the vicinity of where he'll be picked.

I don't foresee us picking first next April, but crazier things have happened.

Its comical you say the bolded yet pointed out Garnder hasnt helped the Jets win anything?  Do you know why the Jets havent won since they drafted Gardner?  It because the same reason Thomas didnt win, the QB position.  At least Thomas's position helps the QB so your bolded was a pretty bad response.  Football is the ultimate team sport.

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Bad example, because the Browns cape proves that without QB, nothing will happen. They had something like forty-threeve quarterbacks start during his career. How many picks did they waste trying to find "the guy"?

We (the team, maybe the board) *think* we have the QB. I agree that you don't forfeit value just to stack the cards on the offensive side, but a Joe Thomas would help us a heap more today than a Darelle Revis would. Like you said, it would be fortuitous if Campbell looks to be a dominant LT, and we somehow stay in the vicinity of where he'll be picked.

I don't foresee us picking first next April, but crazier things have happened.

Its comical you say the bolded yet pointed out Garnder hasnt helped the Jets win anything?  Do you know why the Jets havent won since they drafted Gardner?  It because the same reason Thomas didnt win, the QB position.  At least Thomas's position helps the QB so your bolded was a pretty bad response.  Football is the ultimate team sport.

So you're agreeing that if we believe QB is figured out, taking an OL over a DB is better?

And I even stated the exact same thing you said (OL helps QB), so uh, might want to look at the entire context before you start chuckin stones.

Simply put, if we end up with the first pick in the darft and we walk away with Travis Hunter, I have no confidence that our course will be changed in any form. We'll still be lost offensively and unable to accomplish the most basic things like converting 3rd and shorts consistently or equipping our QB to prove whether or not he is the guy. It accomplishes little.

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Its comical you say the bolded yet pointed out Garnder hasnt helped the Jets win anything?  Do you know why the Jets havent won since they drafted Gardner?  It because the same reason Thomas didnt win, the QB position.  At least Thomas's position helps the QB so your bolded was a pretty bad response.  Football is the ultimate team sport.

So you're agreeing that if we believe QB is figured out, taking an OL over a DB is better?

And I even stated the exact same thing you said (OL helps QB), so uh, might want to look at the entire context before you start chuckin stones.

Simply put, if we end up with the first pick in the darft and we walk away with Travis Hunter, I have no confidence that our course will be changed in any form. We'll still be lost offensively and unable to accomplish the most basic things like converting 3rd and shorts consistently or equipping our QB to prove whether or not he is the guy. It accomplishes little.

One thing we both agree on is we need an upgrade at LT.  That said, Hopefully we start winning some games and don't pick first overall.  If we do though there are other ways to upgrade LT outside of the first pick in the draft.  I'd get a veteran like Wills or Boles and resign Little unless I have a LT at the top of my board.  Even if I have a LT at the top of my board I'd still like to add Boles or Wills along with resigning Little and that pick can start at RG unless we can sign Trey Smith as well.  

Say we start winning games and pick 10th overall, there is a good chance Banks and Campbell will be gone so im not going to reach for a tackle there just to take a tackle.  I hope we do something in FA just so are backs aren't up against the wall and forced to take a tackle.  A lot of football left to be played though so we don't know where we will sit in the draft and how these prospects play the rest of the year. It would be nice if Cam starts playing amazing football or Little comes in and shows he can be the guy and this oline we have starts playing like the one they envisioned.

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After week 5 we are picking 3rd

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After week 5 we are picking 3rd

I think we'll slip out of the top 5 by the end of the season at the minimum. Possibly to 20th.

If we do land a pick that high? I would hope the Jets are moving on without Rodgers and hoping to land Sanders or Milroe at QB.

Would HAPPILY swap 1's with them while taking their 2 and future 1 and 2 for 2026.

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After week 5 we are picking 3rd

I think we'll slip out of the top 5 by the end of the season at the minimum. Possibly to 20th.

If we do land a pick that high? I would hope the Jets are moving on without Rodgers and hoping to land Sanders or Milroe at QB.

Would HAPPILY swap 1's with them while taking their 2 and future 1 and 2 for 2026.

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20th?  If we are picking 20th we made the playoffs.  We would be the 2nd team in NFL history to start 0-4 and make the playoffs and the first team in over 30 years to do it.  I think the game this week will give us a much better idea where we are picking.  If we lose to the Bears we are heading towards a top 5 or top 10 pick.  If we beat the Bears things will get interesting

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I think we'll slip out of the top 5 by the end of the season at the minimum. Possibly to 20th.

If we do land a pick that high? I would hope the Jets are moving on without Rodgers and hoping to land Sanders or Milroe at QB.

Would HAPPILY swap 1's with them while taking their 2 and future 1 and 2 for 2026.

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20th?  If we are picking 20th we made the playoffs.  We would be the 2nd team in NFL history to start 0-4 and make the playoffs and the first team in over 30 years to do it.  I think the game this week will give us a much better idea where we are picking.  If we lose to the Bears we are heading towards a top 5 or top 10 pick.  If we beat the Bears things will get interesting

I look at this game as an absolute "must win" if our fans have any hopes of making it to the post-season. The five game stretch between Oct. 27 and December 1 is a killer (Packers, Eagles, Vikings, Lions and Texans). If they can get 2 wins during that stretch, they should be 5-7 going into the final 5 games which are all winnable. The season could replicate the 2022 one in which they went on a wild streak culminating in the great playoff comeback against the Chargers.

Is it crazy to be looking at this scenario one week after the Jaguars were the only win-less team in the NFL ? I don't believe so if the offensive line can maintain the improvements seen the last couple of weeks. Of course, the defense needs to get Campbell and Foye back and the entire secondary must show much improvement. The Bears are much improved and slight favorites so it won't be easy to get a "W".

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I think we'll slip out of the top 5 by the end of the season at the minimum. Possibly to 20th.

If we do land a pick that high? I would hope the Jets are moving on without Rodgers and hoping to land Sanders or Milroe at QB.

Would HAPPILY swap 1's with them while taking their 2 and future 1 and 2 for 2026.

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20th?  If we are picking 20th we made the playoffs.  We would be the 2nd team in NFL history to start 0-4 and make the playoffs and the first team in over 30 years to do it.  I think the game this week will give us a much better idea where we are picking.  If we lose to the Bears we are heading towards a top 5 or top 10 pick.  If we beat the Bears things will get interesting

I have high expectations as well as high hopes. It's a week-to-week league. I think our offense has somewhat turned the corner of these last two weeks and has started to figure out it's identity. 

Once the defense gets healthier they might catch their stride and lightning in a bottle at the perfect time of the year.

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20th?  If we are picking 20th we made the playoffs.  We would be the 2nd team in NFL history to start 0-4 and make the playoffs and the first team in over 30 years to do it.  I think the game this week will give us a much better idea where we are picking.  If we lose to the Bears we are heading towards a top 5 or top 10 pick.  If we beat the Bears things will get interesting

I have high expectations as well as high hopes. It's a week-to-week league. I think our offense has somewhat turned the corner of these last two weeks and has started to figure out it's identity. 

Once the defense gets healthier they might catch their stride and lightning in a bottle at the perfect time of the year.

Depends on this Bears game for me.  I think if we lose this game i don't think we don't stand a chance to make the playoffs.  If we beat the Bears i will have much more hope.

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Jags picking 3rd heading into week 7

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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-d...er-top-10/

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https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/mock_draft

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Right now, I'd say the Jaguars end up picking 5th after the Patriots, Browns, Panthers and Titans. That would enable them to get either Will Johnson or one of the top 2 tackles.

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If there is a Penei Sewell type talent I’m all for it. If not, just get a superstar type player in Travis Hunter. Can’t keep blowing these top picks.

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