I don't know anymore with him. He's going to be here for awhile though. Need to get used to that. Regardless of the front office or coaching changes.

There needs to be some form of an insurance plan though to cover themselves in the event he doesn't develop or progress with the next regime change in 2025.

I would be in full support of bringing back Gardner Minshew in 2025 if he doesn't stay in Las Vegas. I would be interested in Jaxson Dart at QB out of Ole' Miss along with Tre Harris at WR if they're within reach.

I would be interested in Cam Ward at QB out of Miami along with Xavier Restrepo at WR if they're within reach. Ward is probably a top five pick.

If this team continues to flounder? They might damn well have to make a decision if they feel like under a new regime they want a legitimate QB situation to start the pressure early with Lawrence or try and flip it for picks.

You never know.

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Trevor Lawrence is a good QB. He needs coaching to be great.

The fact that people are thinking we should find another QB is beyond crazy.

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I don't know anymore with him. He's going to be here for awhile though. Need to get used to that. Regardless of the front office or coaching changes.

There needs to be some form of an insurance plan though to cover themselves in the event he doesn't develop or progress with the next regime change in 2025.

I would be in full support of bringing back Gardner Minshew in 2025 if he doesn't stay in Las Vegas. I would be interested in Jaxson Dart at QB out of Ole' Miss along with Tre Harris at WR if they're within reach.

I would be interested in Cam Ward at QB out of Miami along with Xavier Restrepo at WR if they're within reach. Ward is probably a top five pick.

If this team continues to flounder? They might damn well have to make a decision if they feel like under a new regime they want a legitimate QB situation to start the pressure early with Lawrence or try and flip it for picks.

You never know.

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Full support of Minshew man? C'mon man...

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Mitch Morse got to get this ball man... I fully blame Trevor on the fumble... but holy hell Morse has to get this ball. The man got bullied into outer space. WE SIMPLY DO NOT WANT IT MORE!

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I don't know anymore with him. He's going to be here for awhile though. Need to get used to that. Regardless of the front office or coaching changes.

There needs to be some form of an insurance plan though to cover themselves in the event he doesn't develop or progress with the next regime change in 2025.

I would be in full support of bringing back Gardner Minshew in 2025 if he doesn't stay in Las Vegas. I would be interested in Jaxson Dart at QB out of Ole' Miss along with Tre Harris at WR if they're within reach.

I would be interested in Cam Ward at QB out of Miami along with Xavier Restrepo at WR if they're within reach. Ward is probably a top five pick.

If this team continues to flounder? They might damn well have to make a decision if they feel like under a new regime they want a legitimate QB situation to start the pressure early with Lawrence or try and flip it for picks.

You never know.

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Full support of Minshew man? C'mon man...

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Mitch Morse got to get this ball man... I fully blame Trevor on the fumble... but holy hell Morse has to get this ball. The man got bullied into outer space. WE SIMPLY DO NOT WANT IT MORE!

Caldrac is drunk again. 

And yah Trevor deserves the blame for that fumble full stop. Woulda been nice if Morse tried harder

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Full support of Minshew man? C'mon man...

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Mitch Morse got to get this ball man... I fully blame Trevor on the fumble... but holy hell Morse has to get this ball. The man got bullied into outer space. WE SIMPLY DO NOT WANT IT MORE!

Caldrac is drunk again. 

And yah Trevor deserves the blame for that fumble full stop. Woulda been nice if Morse tried harder

It's this type of effort that is contagious and is probably what Cisco was referring to. Just sucks to watch.

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Exactly. It was a bit fortunate play by the Packers player but a good play. Can it be a good play by an opponent and not always be Trevor's fault?

It’s a good play by the defender and a bad play by Trevor at the same time.  A 2-turnover game unfortunately negates a lot of the positives that we saw.

You can’t let that happen, especially with the field position we had at that time. 
I did like that Trevor moved the ball and scored some points today, so that’s a positive, and did tie the game with 2 minutes remaining.

The turnovers were unfortunate, especially where they took place but it happens. Trevor shouldn't have to be absolutely perfect every single game. Would be nice if the Defense could come through once in awhile.

Mahomes threw an INT out of his own endzone today. Raiders had the ball 1st and goal. You know what the Chiefs Defense did to bail out their QB after a mistake? They stuffed the Raiders 4 straight times and got a turnover on downs. Ball back and zero points off the INT.

Trevor doesn't have that luxury. If he isn't perfect we're [BLEEP].

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It's hard to be a QB of a team that has no idea what the heck they are doing.

With that said, Lawrence had a great 2nd half. I think his contract is perfect. He's capable of being a great QB. He just needs the right mentorship. Cooter was great for him. But we let him walk instead of paying him. I have no doubt that Lawrence is a top 5 QB.

Lawrence just needs competent coaching.

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It’s a good play by the defender and a bad play by Trevor at the same time.  A 2-turnover game unfortunately negates a lot of the positives that we saw.

You can’t let that happen, especially with the field position we had at that time. 
I did like that Trevor moved the ball and scored some points today, so that’s a positive, and did tie the game with 2 minutes remaining.

The turnovers were unfortunate, especially where they took place but it happens. Trevor shouldn't have to be absolutely perfect every single game. Would be nice if the Defense could come through once in awhile.

Mahomes threw an INT out of his own endzone today. Raiders had the ball 1st and goal. You know what the Chiefs Defense did to bail out their QB after a mistake? They stuffed the Raiders 4 straight times and got a turnover on downs. Ball back and zero points off the INT.

Trevor doesn't have that luxury. If he isn't perfect we're [BLEEP].

Packers are a well run organization with a top coach and GM.

Jags are the opposite.

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LOL if you call that flashes of being great then almost all other QBs have done the same thing. He is not special. Other young QBs have shown the same or more than Trevor.

You really don't think you've seen great flashes from Trevor? 2022 Baltimore, 2022 Dallas, 2nd half of Chargers playoff game, just about every clots game, 2023 Bengals before injury.... Those are just off the top of my head.

I'm not saying he's the best QB in the league by any means but to say he likely will never be great or hasn't shown great flashes seems a little disingenuous.

Last time for me was in 2022. When he has more than a year without really showing flashes it gets pretty obvious. Maybe he can be top 10, never will be anywhere near top 5 imho. I bet whoever is the next HC will also get blamed when Trevor plays bad next year though lol.

Not like I think he will be any better but I'd like to see how Mac Jones does in this offense, maybe in the last 2 games of the season.

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

I’m not savvy to what ESPN does to come up with their QBR statistics, but some analysts take it in higher consideration than QB rating. That being said, I found this interesting;

https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

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It’s a good play by the defender and a bad play by Trevor at the same time.  A 2-turnover game unfortunately negates a lot of the positives that we saw.

You can’t let that happen, especially with the field position we had at that time. 
I did like that Trevor moved the ball and scored some points today, so that’s a positive, and did tie the game with 2 minutes remaining.

The turnovers were unfortunate, especially where they took place but it happens. Trevor shouldn't have to be absolutely perfect every single game. Would be nice if the Defense could come through once in awhile.

Mahomes threw an INT out of his own endzone today. Raiders had the ball 1st and goal. You know what the Chiefs Defense did to bail out their QB after a mistake? They stuffed the Raiders 4 straight times and got a turnover on downs. Ball back and zero points off the INT.

Trevor doesn't have that luxury. If he isn't perfect we're [BLEEP].

I was at the game. That interception was on the receiver not TL. The pass was perfectly timed for the receiver to button hook to the inside about a yard past the first down marker.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Bring back Minshew is a horrendous take.

Come on people.

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Full support of Minshew man? C'mon man...

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https://x.com/i/status/1850621645603709345 

Mitch Morse got to get this ball man... I fully blame Trevor on the fumble... but holy hell Morse has to get this ball. The man got bullied into outer space. WE SIMPLY DO NOT WANT IT MORE!

Caldrac is drunk again. 

And yah Trevor deserves the blame for that fumble full stop. Woulda been nice if Morse tried harder

No. Far from it. Again, it's called an insurance plan. Not a replacement plan. For what it's worth. I still think Lawrence is salvageable.

You also cannot rule anything out with a full on regime change though.

Especially if the new regime takes over with a top three to five pick and there's a legitimate QB on the board to consider.


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Bring back Minshew is a horrendous take.

Come on people.

Insurance plan. Not a replacement plan. Not sure why people have a hard time reading around here.

Lawrence is still having his high's and low's this year. He didn't play well in Houston.

He didn't play well today until he finally had to after he assisted in putting them in a hole to begin with.

Nobody should be getting a free pass at this point. Including the $275M QB.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Caldrac is drunk again. 

And yah Trevor deserves the blame for that fumble full stop. Woulda been nice if Morse tried harder

No. Far from it. Again, it's called an insurance plan. Not a replacement plan. For what it's worth. I still think Lawrence is salvageable.

You also cannot rule anything out with a full on regime change though.

Especially if the new regime takes over with a top three to five pick and there's a legitimate QB on the board to consider.


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Bring back Minshew is a horrendous take.

Come on people.

Insurance plan. Not a replacement plan. Not sure why people have a hard time reading around here.

Lawrence is still having his high's and low's this year. He didn't play well in Houston.

He didn't play well today until he finally had to after he assisted in putting them in a hole to begin with.

Nobody should be getting a free pass at this point. Including the $275M QB.

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Hypothetical: we are picking top 5, we get a new gm/HC and there's a QB both are in agreement on on the board.

The jets offer us 2 firsts for Lawrence, how do we feel about that? I'd be pretty tempted. I don't think he's bad but maybe trev and the jags could both benefit from a fresh start. No clue how that would work contractually so maybe a moot point

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Caldrac is drunk again. 

And yah Trevor deserves the blame for that fumble full stop. Woulda been nice if Morse tried harder

No. Far from it. Again, it's called an insurance plan. Not a replacement plan. For what it's worth. I still think Lawrence is salvageable.

You also cannot rule anything out with a full on regime change though.

Especially if the new regime takes over with a top three to five pick and there's a legitimate QB on the board to consider.


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Bring back Minshew is a horrendous take.

Come on people.

Insurance plan. Not a replacement plan. Not sure why people have a hard time reading around here.

Lawrence is still having his high's and low's this year. He didn't play well in Houston.

He didn't play well today until he finally had to after he assisted in putting them in a hole to begin with.

Nobody should be getting a free pass at this point. Including the $275M QB.

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What? So when Trevor makes a bad throw we can have the segment of the fan base who still loves Minshew yell for him to be QB? 

Hard pass. Mac Jones is just fine as a backup….. on the bench.

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Caldrac is drunk again. 

And yah Trevor deserves the blame for that fumble full stop. Woulda been nice if Morse tried harder

No. Far from it. Again, it's called an insurance plan. Not a replacement plan. For what it's worth. I still think Lawrence is salvageable.

You also cannot rule anything out with a full on regime change though.

Especially if the new regime takes over with a top three to five pick and there's a legitimate QB on the board to consider.


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Bring back Minshew is a horrendous take.

Come on people.

Insurance plan. Not a replacement plan. Not sure why people have a hard time reading around here.

Lawrence is still having his high's and low's this year. He didn't play well in Houston.

He didn't play well today until he finally had to after he assisted in putting them in a hole to begin with.

Nobody should be getting a free pass at this point. Including the $275M QB.

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What? So when Trevor makes a bad throw we can have the segment of the fan base who still loves Minshew yell for him to be QB? 

Hard pass. Mac Jones is just fine as a backup….. on the bench.

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Caldrac is drunk again. 

And yah Trevor deserves the blame for that fumble full stop. Woulda been nice if Morse tried harder

No. Far from it. Again, it's called an insurance plan. Not a replacement plan. For what it's worth. I still think Lawrence is salvageable.

You also cannot rule anything out with a full on regime change though.

Especially if the new regime takes over with a top three to five pick and there's a legitimate QB on the board to consider.


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Bring back Minshew is a horrendous take.

Come on people.

Insurance plan. Not a replacement plan. Not sure why people have a hard time reading around here.

Lawrence is still having his high's and low's this year. He didn't play well in Houston.

He didn't play well today until he finally had to after he assisted in putting them in a hole to begin with.

Nobody should be getting a free pass at this point. Including the $275M QB.

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Salvageable? Cmon man with the hyperbole.

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No. Far from it. Again, it's called an insurance plan. Not a replacement plan. For what it's worth. I still think Lawrence is salvageable.

You also cannot rule anything out with a full on regime change though.

Especially if the new regime takes over with a top three to five pick and there's a legitimate QB on the board to consider.


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Insurance plan. Not a replacement plan. Not sure why people have a hard time reading around here.

Lawrence is still having his high's and low's this year. He didn't play well in Houston.

He didn't play well today until he finally had to after he assisted in putting them in a hole to begin with.

Nobody should be getting a free pass at this point. Including the $275M QB.

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What? So when Trevor makes a bad throw we can have the segment of the fan base who still loves Minshew yell for him to be QB? 

Hard pass. Mac Jones is just fine as a backup….. on the bench.

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No. Far from it. Again, it's called an insurance plan. Not a replacement plan. For what it's worth. I still think Lawrence is salvageable.

You also cannot rule anything out with a full on regime change though.

Especially if the new regime takes over with a top three to five pick and there's a legitimate QB on the board to consider.


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Insurance plan. Not a replacement plan. Not sure why people have a hard time reading around here.

Lawrence is still having his high's and low's this year. He didn't play well in Houston.

He didn't play well today until he finally had to after he assisted in putting them in a hole to begin with.

Nobody should be getting a free pass at this point. Including the $275M QB.

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What? So when Trevor makes a bad throw we can have the segment of the fan base who still loves Minshew yell for him to be QB? 

Hard pass. Mac Jones is just fine as a backup….. on the bench.

There's going to be a segment for that to happen regardless of who is on the bench.

I don't think Mac Jones comes back during free agency and we'll need a solid back up and insurance plan. Minshew fits that bill.

He'll be a lot cheaper than guys like Sam Darnold...

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Jags aren't moving on from Trevor Lawrence. Doesn't matter if Baalke is fired, or if Pedersen is fired. His contract prohibits it. Plus there is enough body of evidence to show that he can be successful. His WR's lead the NFL in drops. The O-line has been horrible for years. The new regime is going to build around him, not try and replace him.

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What? So when Trevor makes a bad throw we can have the segment of the fan base who still loves Minshew yell for him to be QB? 

Hard pass. Mac Jones is just fine as a backup….. on the bench.

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What? So when Trevor makes a bad throw we can have the segment of the fan base who still loves Minshew yell for him to be QB? 

Hard pass. Mac Jones is just fine as a backup….. on the bench.

There's going to be a segment for that to happen regardless of who is on the bench.

I don't think Mac Jones comes back during free agency and we'll need a solid back up and insurance plan. Minshew fits that bill.

He'll be a lot cheaper than guys like Sam Darnold...

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Insurance plan? Dude. Just get Flacco then.

There’s so many backup QBs to choose from. Bringing back Minshew is a bad idea for a multitude of reasons.

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No. Far from it. Again, it's called an insurance plan. Not a replacement plan. For what it's worth. I still think Lawrence is salvageable.

You also cannot rule anything out with a full on regime change though.

Especially if the new regime takes over with a top three to five pick and there's a legitimate QB on the board to consider.


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Insurance plan. Not a replacement plan. Not sure why people have a hard time reading around here.

Lawrence is still having his high's and low's this year. He didn't play well in Houston.

He didn't play well today until he finally had to after he assisted in putting them in a hole to begin with.

Nobody should be getting a free pass at this point. Including the $275M QB.

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Salvageable? Cmon man with the hyperbole.

He's not living up to the player he was billed out to be when he left Clemson. His ceiling was Matt Ryan for me with his floor being Alex Smith. He's tilted more towards Alex Smith since the injuries from last year.

I just don't have enough confidence in him for the long term. Especially with this current front office and coaching staff. Hence, he's salvageable. Like it or not. He's been an average QB with a below average record and a high amount of turnovers.

I don't care about the potential plays missed. The potential missed opportunities. The eye tests. The coulda, woulda, shoulda of it all. He's simply not where he should be, and, that $275M contract extension puts even more tension on these facts.

Maybe Ben Johnson can turn him into Jared Goff or better. Maybe Slowik can turn him into C.J Stroud or better. Maybe Belichick can turn him into Matt Ryan or better. We simply don't know or won't know until things change from the top, down.

22 - 35 in 57 career starts.

70 some odd TD's Vs. God knows how many turnovers.

Completion percentage down with current trajectories set to be his lowest since his rookie season.

So, I mean, it's year four. We're 2 - 6 now. I'd say your next regime is looking to salvage what they can out of him and anybody else that has a solid floor and high ceiling to work with.

Not sure why everybody's panties gets in a massive bunch anytime someone *gasps* refuses to accept mediocre or below mediocre results in progress from any position on the team. Regardless if it's the QB's complete fault or not.

Again. You are what your record says you are. The statistics are also there to support said body of work.

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