https://youtu.be/4yufda6wh-0?si=dXdITk6BDqkExFiO

I just seen this in my YouTube feed. History is repeating itself exactly. Hate to say i told you so about PRESS Taylor. SMH!!!

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https://youtu.be/4yufda6wh-0?si=dXdITk6BDqkExFiO

I just seen this in my YouTube feed. History is repeating itself exactly. Hate to say i told you so about PRESS Taylor. SMH!!!

I mean - Doug LEFT because the owner was forcing him to hire someone he didn't want to hire.
I kind of respect that.

But, yes, he wanted to keep Press and ownership didn't like Press. 

So it is no surprise that if he was that loyal to a guy then, enough to walk away,  he'd be loyal to him again like he is now. 

However - our offense is not the problem right now.
 Our defense is. 

So - even though most of us are ready to see Trevor and the guys get a chance to learn a new offense from new coaches next spring/summer, Press Taylor is not the reason we are losing games right now. We could do better certainly, but he's only a minor factor of the crappola soup-sandwich in Jax at the moment. 

*shrug* 

Is what it is.

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I agree that the offense is better than it was, but that happened after the hole was already dug for this season. It’s kind of like saying I’m a billion in debt, but the good news is none of that debt was created this month. Even the owner said doug should call the plays. Dude is stubborn or loyal or foolish. This is kind of like nepotism, and why it could backfire.

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I agree that the offense is better than it was, but that happened after the hole was already dug for this season. It’s kind of like saying I’m a billion in debt, but the good news is none of that debt was created this month.  Even the owner said Doug should call the plays. Dude is stubborn or loyal or foolish. This is kind of like nepotism, and why it could backfire.

I am concerned about what appears to be a common thread running through Doug's first 3 seasons. Each year we begin and see a team that is an organizational mess. Timing of play calls, missed assignments or worse not knowing the assignments well enough to play fast.  The team at the end of the day was not ready, what is someone paying off the QC guys or something? 

I do hate to ruin an ongoing argument, but about half of our issues executing are players that have to think first to play. As the season goes on it smooths out a bit due to repetition but never goes away. This can account for the Jekyll-Hyde of our team where for periods they appear great, then appear to get in their own way. It means they may be a step slow getting to a block, receivers that read option routes differently than our QB. (hint hint last week's interception) This is the NFL where all the players are pretty durn good. It really doesn't matter if the calls are good or bad if the players are unsure during the game. 

Doug has actually commented on this the last couple of seasons saying the players need to execute better. I just do not believe it is all on the players. The coaches that are teaching, training, verifying the players are good to go are just as culpable probably more. At the end of the day Doug, Press and Nielsen are responsible for these coaches and are failing.  I see this as an organizational failure not a lack of good game plan, play calls or individual player one.  A proper process of training, educating and testing players is how good organizations get better production out of average players and develop stars out of good ones.

When they hired Doug I hoped he had learned from his time in Philly. There he was a 7-9, 13-3, 9-7, 9-7, 4-11 coach. He seems to be repeating the same pattern here.  There is no doubt he is a good coach that knows football and a generally nice guy. In the NFL to be a HC you also have to be a good Chief Operating Officer strong enough to run a multi billion dollar operation. To do this loyalty is a must, but one must be strong enough to not let that cloud your vision at the expense of the operation. Can Doug take that step is the question.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Rumor has it that Pederson AND Baalke are both on their way out. People are already eyeing the Jags front office opening.

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I agree that the offense is better than it was, but that happened after the hole was already dug for this season. It’s kind of like saying I’m a billion in debt, but the good news is none of that debt was created this month.  Even the owner said Doug should call the plays. Dude is stubborn or loyal or foolish. This is kind of like nepotism, and why it could backfire.

I am concerned about what appears to be a common thread running through Doug's first 3 seasons. Each year we begin and see a team that is an organizational mess. Timing of play calls, missed assignments or worse not knowing the assignments well enough to play fast.  The team at the end of the day was not ready, what is someone paying off the QC guys or something? 

I do hate to ruin an ongoing argument, but about half of our issues executing are players that have to think first to play. As the season goes on it smooths out a bit due to repetition but never goes away. This can account for the Jekyll-Hyde of our team where for periods they appear great, then appear to get in their own way. It means they may be a step slow getting to a block, receivers that read option routes differently than our QB. (hint hint last week's interception) This is the NFL where all the players are pretty durn good. It really doesn't matter if the calls are good or bad if the players are unsure during the game. 

Doug has actually commented on this the last couple of seasons saying the players need to execute better. I just do not believe it is all on the players. The coaches that are teaching, training, verifying the players are good to go are just as culpable probably more. At the end of the day Doug, Press and Nielsen are responsible for these coaches and are failing.  I see this as an organizational failure not a lack of good game plan, play calls or individual player one.  A proper process of training, educating and testing players is how good organizations get better production out of average players and develop stars out of good ones.

When they hired Doug I hoped he had learned from his time in Philly. There he was a 7-9, 13-3, 9-7, 9-7, 4-11 coach. He seems to be repeating the same pattern here.  There is no doubt he is a good coach that knows football and a generally nice guy. In the NFL to be a HC you also have to be a good Chief Operating Officer strong enough to run a multi billion dollar operation. To do this loyalty is a must, but one must be strong enough to not let that cloud your vision at the expense of the operation. Can Doug take that step is the question.

Great post. I’ll add, it’s about results. It’s not personal. Either one succeeds or adjustments are made. I don’t see hardly any changes or, improvements.

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Rumor has it that Pederson AND Baalke are both on their way out. People are already eyeing the Jags front office opening.

I bet. This is a very good situation to be in. People will line up to get the potential of Lawrence/BTJ. As well as 44/41 on defense.

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Rumor has it that Pederson AND Baalke are both on their way out. People are already eyeing the Jags front office opening.

It would make sense with his answers to the media. He isn't looking for answers and just keeps repeating the same stuff every week. Someone looking to save his job would normally have a different tone. He just appears to have accepted it.

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Rumor has it that Pederson AND Baalke are both on their way out. People are already eyeing the Jags front office opening.

It would make sense with his answers to the media. He isn't looking for answers and just keeps repeating the same stuff every week. Someone looking to save his job would normally have a different tone. He just appears to have accepted it.

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And we ain’t changing anything.

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Wow so a complete front office comb through

Maybe except our ST

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https://twitter.com/1010XL/status/1852013913627308069

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https://twitter.com/1010XL/status/1852013913627308069

Pretty common thing. Most of the time people always fire themselves. Well it is actually the decisions they make and actions (or lack of) that cause it.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

WIth this particular Doug/Press scenario apparently playing out again and getting airplay this week in the lead up to Doug returning to Philly, if he survives this year I would imagine Khan has a similar conversation with him as Lurie reportedly did about Press at the end of the year. If this staff largely survives, I think Nielsen may get a pass due to personnel issues and scheme switch, but someone's head likely has to roll. Would Doug finally accept that conclusion? I would think he would this time. It's not often Head Coaches get a 3rd stint, but with a Super Bowl win on his resume maybe he would be one of the exceptions.

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WIth this particular Doug/Press scenario apparently playing out again and getting airplay this week in the lead up to Doug returning to Philly, if he survives this year I would imagine Khan has a similar conversation with him as Lurie reportedly did about Press at the end of the year.  If this staff largely survives, I think Nielsen may get a pass due to personnel issues and scheme switch, but someone's head likely has to roll.  Would Doug finally accept that conclusion?  I would think he would this time.  It's not often Head Coaches get a 3rd stint, but with a Super Bowl win on his resume maybe he would be one of the exceptions.

As a reminder, Press Taylor was never the OC in Philly. The report given to H&H was very slanted to the iggles organization's story about what happened, not about what actually happened.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

All I know is Kahn was told by his "executive management" we need better players and he funded the acquisition of those assets. All reports during acquisition of these assets stressed everyone agreed they were the proper choices to yield the returns desired. Last year he was told we need to upgrade the coaching. He funded that. This year he was told we had a historically good roster. The best in franchise history. He expected to win this year. Now here we are, how can they return to him hat in hand? What excuses can they manufacture?

ps. While Press Taylor was never the official OC in Philly, Doug would not hire one at all so he just didn't have anyone with that title, because of the tiff with Luri. So Doug just had no OC that year, but this mean Press was the de facto OC just without the title. This move by Doug did not fool Luri and should not fool anyone else.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

WIth this particular Doug/Press scenario apparently playing out again and getting airplay this week in the lead up to Doug returning to Philly, if he survives this year I would imagine Khan has a similar conversation with him as Lurie reportedly did about Press at the end of the year.  If this staff largely survives, I think Nielsen may get a pass due to personnel issues and scheme switch, but someone's head likely has to roll.  Would Doug finally accept that conclusion?  I would think he would this time.  It's not often Head Coaches get a 3rd stint, but with a Super Bowl win on his resume maybe he would be one of the exceptions.

As a reminder, Press Taylor was never the OC in Philly. The report given to H&H was very slanted to the iggles organization's story about what happened, not about what actually happened.

Yes, I realize what you have been saying which is why I chose the words "apparently" and "reportedly".  I'm usually one of the first to not necessarily accept the media's or fan's version of events at face value.  Also, ownership can kind of paint whatever picture they want in the media about coaches and GMs being let go.  It would be career threatening for a coach or GM to contradict that on the public record.

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Rumor has it that Pederson AND Baalke are both on their way out. People are already eyeing the Jags front office opening.

I hope Khan makes this move. Of all the potential openings this year, Jax is by far the most attractive for a new coach and GM. Likely a relatively high draft pick, a lot of young talent already here, and for an offensive minded HC we have so many options. 

I said it earlier in the season, there’s no excuse for us to be THIS bad. We have holes sure, but not this many. 

I can’t wait for EVP Tony and HC Ben Johnson. At this point, anyone but Baalke at GM is fine with me

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Rumor has it that Pederson AND Baalke are both on their way out. People are already eyeing the Jags front office opening.

I hope Khan makes this move. Of all the potential openings this year, Jax is by far the most attractive for a new coach and GM. Likely a relatively high draft pick, a lot of young talent already here, and for an offensive minded HC we have so many options. 

I said it earlier in the season, there’s no excuse for us to be THIS bad. We have holes sure, but not this many. 

I can’t wait for EVP Tony and HC Ben Johnson. At this point, anyone but Baalke at GM is fine with me

I love Tony as a player and as a personality, but I just don't get successful EVP vibes from him.  That seems like a "has the right connections" type hire rather than an "overly qualified" type hire.  Would prefer someone who has experience operating on the personnel side of things.

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I hope Khan makes this move. Of all the potential openings this year, Jax is by far the most attractive for a new coach and GM. Likely a relatively high draft pick, a lot of young talent already here, and for an offensive minded HC we have so many options. 

I said it earlier in the season, there’s no excuse for us to be THIS bad. We have holes sure, but not this many. 

I can’t wait for EVP Tony and HC Ben Johnson. At this point, anyone but Baalke at GM is fine with me

I love Tony as a player and as a personality, but I just don't get successful EVP vibes from him.  That seems like a "has the right connections" type hire rather than an "overly qualified" type hire.  Would prefer someone who has experience operating on the personnel side of things.

I agree.

My ideal outcome:

Spielman EVP
Ray Agnew GM
Ben Johnson HC

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All I know is Kahn was told by his "executive management" we need better players and he funded the acquisition of those assets. All reports during acquisition of these assets stressed everyone agreed they were the proper choices to yield the returns desired. Last year he was told we need to upgrade the coaching. He funded that. This year he was told we had a historically good roster. The best in franchise history. He expected to win this year.  Now here we are, how can they return to him hat in hand?  What excuses can they manufacture? 

ps. While Press Taylor was never the official OC in Philly,  Doug would not hire one at all so he just didn't have anyone with that title, because of the tiff with Luri. So Doug just had no OC that year, but this mean Press was the de facto OC just without the title. This move by Doug did not fool Luri and should not fool anyone else.

No, that's not quite right. Pederson wanted to give Mike Groh a second year as OC in 2020 but Roseman forced Pederson to fire him. Then when Pederson wouldn't name a new one the de facto OCs were Rick Scangarello and Marty Mornhenwig ("Offensive Consultants"), put in place by Roseman and Lurie to look over Pederson's shoulder. Press Taylor was not even discussed as OC until the following offseason (2021) when Pederson seems to have used it to get himself fired. Taylor wasn't an issue until Pederson wanted to put him in the O.C. chair, which was only an issue because of the failed Groh hire and Lurie/Roseman wanting a veteran OC presence in there rather than the person Pederson chose.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato