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Poll: Fire Doug Pederson? This poll is closed. |
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Yes, right now | 136 | 53.54% | |
Yes, after the bye week | 30 | 11.81% | |
Yes, after the season | 53 | 20.87% | |
No. One more year to fix it. | 25 | 9.84% | |
Blank #2 | 4 | 1.57% | |
Corn | 6 | 2.36% | |
Total | 254 vote(s) | 100% |
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Fire Doug Pederson?
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(11-01-2024, 02:03 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:(11-01-2024, 11:52 AM)Jag149 Wrote: All I know is Kahn was told by his "executive management" we need better players and he funded the acquisition of those assets. All reports during acquisition of these assets stressed everyone agreed they were the proper choices to yield the returns desired. Last year he was told we need to upgrade the coaching. He funded that. This year he was told we had a historically good roster. The best in franchise history. He expected to win this year. Now here we are, how can they return to him hat in hand? What excuses can they manufacture? OK, I had thought the consultants were there to help work to marry the run game to the pass game. Here, we don't have that issue. It also explains why Baalkie and Kahn have gone to great lengths to be out of the selection of coaches. Those decisions are all Doug.
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(11-01-2024, 01:13 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:(11-01-2024, 12:57 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: I love Tony as a player and as a personality, but I just don't get successful EVP vibes from him. That seems like a "has the right connections" type hire rather than an "overly qualified" type hire. Would prefer someone who has experience operating on the personnel side of things.I agree. The only thing I can say for Tony is at least I’d get the vibe he truly cares about Jax and the Jags in general. But I totally understand your guys point on that
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(10-27-2024, 06:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: I've seen enough. To answer the question, no I don't think he should be fired... yet. I do however think that he should fire some of the staff working under him. I would not be at all surprised if he does get fired at the bye week because I see no wins between now and then. As far as "not liking Trevor Lawrence", I didn't see that at all from his comment. I saw him acknowledge that Trevor did a nice job and gave some credit to the other players involved including those that aren't starters. I would wait and see if he takes any steps to change the people working under him up to and including the offensive/defensive coordinators. If he fails to do that, then yes it's time to get rid of him and find someone else. My reasoning is that the job of an NFL HC is primarily a manager. He is not involved in the "X's and O's" of the game nor the scheme(s). That is the job of the coordinators. As far as "player development" or teaching/motivating players, that is the job of the assistant coaches. The latter in this case seems to be what is lacking. If he makes no changes in those positions, then yes he needs to go. There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. (11-01-2024, 03:57 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:(10-27-2024, 06:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: I've seen enough. Agreed wholeheartedly.
11-01-2024, 05:07 PM
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(11-01-2024, 03:57 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:So you don’t think Shannahan, McVay, LaFleur, Reid, and KOC have a hand with the X’s and O’s of their offenses?(10-27-2024, 06:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: I've seen enough. Harbaugh for the Ravens is the HC you’re speaking of but those are few and far between. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(11-01-2024, 03:57 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:(10-27-2024, 06:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: I've seen enough. Your reasoning makes sense but the difference with Doug is….he won’t get rid of his guys. He dug his heels in at Philly for press, and got the boot. And he really wants to die twice on the same hill?
(11-01-2024, 05:08 PM)SamusAranX Wrote:(11-01-2024, 03:57 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: To answer the question, no I don't think he should be fired... yet. I do however think that he should fire some of the staff working under him. I would not be at all surprised if he does get fired at the bye week because I see no wins between now and then. He didn't dig in his heels for Groh, nor for rejecting the Scarangello/Mornhenwig babysitters though. Press was the 3rd year straw that broke the back, he put up with a lot of interference up to that point. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
(11-01-2024, 05:08 PM)SamusAranX Wrote:(11-01-2024, 03:57 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: To answer the question, no I don't think he should be fired... yet. I do however think that he should fire some of the staff working under him. I would not be at all surprised if he does get fired at the bye week because I see no wins between now and then. How is it the same hill? Is Khan trying to make him hire someone he doesn't want to? No. Do you think Doug willingly walked from the HC position (forced his own firing) because he wanted control of his own staff and then he went somewhere that would do the same thing to him the last guy did?? Hell no. He has complete control of hiring his own coaching staff and that has been made clear by Khan and Baalke in different pressers. Right after they hired Nielsen a reporter asked Baalke if Nielsen was a GM hire, and he said Doug Pederson has control over his own staff and I've supported all of his decisions 100%. I'm certain Doug demanded he have control over his staff here after what happened in Philly. I know I damn sure would have done that if I were him. The fact that our offense is very efficient in both run and pass right now and our defense is 32nd in pass defense should tell you that if Khan or Baalke were trying to interfere - it would probably be concerning Nielsen and not Taylor. But I don't think any of that is happening. (11-01-2024, 05:17 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:(11-01-2024, 05:08 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: Your reasoning makes sense but the difference with Doug is….he won’t get rid of his guys. He dug his heels in at Philly for press, and got the boot. And he really wants to die twice on the same hill? Well, he has not had that pressure here. This is all Doug. So how is that working out for us?
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(11-01-2024, 05:56 PM)Jag149 Wrote:(11-01-2024, 05:17 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: He didn't dig in his heels for Groh, nor for rejecting the Scarangello/Mornhenwig babysitters though. Press was the 3rd year straw that broke the back, he put up with a lot of interference up to that point. Offense is fine, defense was supposed to "get bigger and stronger" but that seems to have failed. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
(11-01-2024, 06:24 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:(11-01-2024, 05:56 PM)Jag149 Wrote: Well, he has not had that pressure here. This is all Doug. So how is that working out for us? We have declined in both the last 3 years. When should we expect this to turn around? offense 2022 9th 23.9 ppg 2023 15th 22.2ppg 2024 21st 21.5 ppg so far defense 2022 14th 21.4ppg 2023 16th 21.8ppg 2024 29th 28ppg so far
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(11-01-2024, 07:05 PM)Jag149 Wrote:(11-01-2024, 06:24 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Offense is fine, defense was supposed to "get bigger and stronger" but that seems to have failed. Now do the defense... And show me where the offense got bigger and stronger too please. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
(11-01-2024, 07:26 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:(11-01-2024, 07:05 PM)Jag149 Wrote: We have declined in both the last 3 years. When should we expect this to turn around? ? both are there ? The first list is the offense PPG - 23.9 points scored per game 2022, drops to 22.2 last year, 21.5 so far in 2024. The next is the Defense PPG - defense allowed 21.4 points per game in 2022, allowed 21.8 in 2023 and so far 28 ppg. The league rankings are there as well. They may have gotten bigger and stronger, but seem to be allowing more points on defense and scoring less on offense. Just the facts man. Maybe they can turn it around the rest of the way?
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(11-01-2024, 05:49 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:(11-01-2024, 05:08 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: Your reasoning makes sense but the difference with Doug is….he won’t get rid of his guys. He dug his heels in at Philly for press, and got the boot. And he really wants to die twice on the same hill? It’s the hill of having a blind spot with his guys. I don’t personally think Press is the end all be all problem with our offense, team, Everbank plumbing system, etc. But our offense has declined. Part of that is on the GM (who is the head of the snake in this situation) but at times it bears a hard inward look at coaching, planning, plays etc. my biggest criticism related to press and this Doug, is our first 15. Constantly terrible and easily sniffed out. And then when we let Trevor and the offense go up tempo and rip away, we do vastly better. Yet, the scheme the same boring first 15 over and over. Runs on first down. Throws behind the line of scrimmage. Press and Doug aren’t adapting. Perhaps they reason we run to pass. But it’s abundantly clear to anyone with half a brain, this offense is best suited to passing intermediate to deep to open the run. Pederson has control. That’s great. He can gladly keep press is he wants. I think he can do worse at OC sure, but on the other side of the coin, he can certainly do a whole lot better. But it may be his undoing again. That’s my point. He got rid of Caldwell quickly. And in hindsight, Caldwell was a scapegoat. Frankly, there should have been an overhaul with a lot more of the staff. But if Doug wants to keep him, that’s his choice. I just think it’s a dumb choice. Because it’s the same desire to keep the status quo on offense that screwed him over last time. Khan may not demand anything but if Doug survives by the skin of his teeth, keeps Press and the offense still stagnates at mid next year….then Doug blew his shot to try something different. Again, bigger problems than press but he is a problem.
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This right here.
https://blackandteal.com/jaguars-must-se...jbj8kqd950 Bring in Dorsey and he can bring Johnson with him. Dorsey is known for turning around franchises. Hes done it everywhere he has been. He helped build the Packers team the won a SB in the with Favre and Rodgers. He helped build the Chiefs into what they are today, helped turn around a Browns team the was worst in the league into a playoff team. Now he has helped build the Lions what they are today. Dorsey has a ton of experience and could turn this thing around with Johnson. They just need to find the right DC. Dorsey is who I wanted with Caldwell was out the door but Khan kept Baalke. (11-01-2024, 07:50 PM)SamusAranX Wrote:(11-01-2024, 05:49 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: How is it the same hill? I was really excited about the potential of this offense for 2 years -- and I LOVE the way they found BTJ and immediately knew to quadruple the number of play action attempts to take shots downfield this year. But there's plenty of head scratching stuff about Doug's offense too, and Press is just probably a middling coordinator. Nothing special, but not the demon he's made out to be. I have no strong dislike for either of them, but... For me it just comes down to this: They will have had 3 years to get it right and they started year three SOOO badly, that I'm ready to clean house and start over. From the GM down.
(10-28-2024, 10:34 AM)JagFan81 Wrote:(10-28-2024, 12:42 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: I’ll stand alone on this one. I’ve been through the brand new version of the Jaguars in 1995, one of the best teams in the NFL from 1996 until about 2001. Del Rio came in and gave us the the good defensive teams. I went through the Gus Bradley era where we became the laughing stock of the league. Doug Marrone era gives us 1 good season. Urban Meyer stunk the place up, and in comes Doug to give us back to back winning seasons and a playoff appearance in his 1st year. This year reminds me of the 2000 season where a play here and there changes the outcome of the season. I agree. If McManus makes his FGs in Cincy last year then we wouldn’t be having these discussions. It ain’t the coaches fault the kicker couldn’t make his FG. As a Jaguars fan, if a coach gives me a winning season 2 years in a row, then I at least owe him 1 season to get it back on track. As a Jaguars fan, I’m not in a position to turn my nose up to the only Head Coach in Jaguars just that has a won Super Bowl Championship ring with any team. As a Jaguars fan, I’m also not in a position to turn my back on a head coach that came in and helped us get to the playoffs in his 1st season. I’m also not in a position to turn my back on a head coach that helped the Jaguars a playoff game in his 1st season, and then start the next season off with a record of 8-3. A question for all Jaguars fans: Can we at least give him 1 season to get it right? He’s earned some good faith credit with what he did after taking over what Urban created. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
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(11-01-2024, 08:19 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote:(10-28-2024, 10:34 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: I applaud you for this post. It's an unpopular opinion right now but it's something that needs to be remembered. Doug walked into to the biggest dumpster fire we've ever been. Back to back #1 picks, a bad roster, the Urban experience. We've had some bad times but that was the lowest of the lows. He turned the team around very quickly and overachieved with a mix of young guys and FA pickups. Last year started amazingly and we all know the late season collapse but it was our first back to back winning seasons in over 20 years. It's an embarrassing stat but something many other HC's have failed to achieve for us. No.
(11-01-2024, 08:19 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote:(10-28-2024, 10:34 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: I applaud you for this post. It's an unpopular opinion right now but it's something that needs to be remembered. Doug walked into to the biggest dumpster fire we've ever been. Back to back #1 picks, a bad roster, the Urban experience. We've had some bad times but that was the lowest of the lows. He turned the team around very quickly and overachieved with a mix of young guys and FA pickups. Last year started amazingly and we all know the late season collapse but it was our first back to back winning seasons in over 20 years. It's an embarrassing stat but something many other HC's have failed to achieve for us. This was his year to get it right after missing the playoffs last year |
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