I do not want any complaints on what happens to the government, programs, and the economy after two or three years under the MAGA government. First there will be Trump and the cronies he will gather around him will go after his perceived enemies, just as the right-wing dictators he loves so much. You think this is just talk, but with his people in place and SCOTUS under his thumb, he can do just about anything he wants and be immune from any legal problems. Then the right will do away with the ACA and either reduce Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid programs or get rid of them altogether. He will take away all of those pesky rules and regulations that keep our air, land water and food clean so the corporations can increase their already obscene profits. Finally, they will enact a huge tax cut for the wealthy as he has promised his donors. And what about all of those people who voted for him, well they will get the ability to tell themselves they gave it to those libs. SO when all of this starts, and it will under Trump, none of you who voted for him should start complaining as your freedom of speech no longer will cover you if you do.

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Not worth it..

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I do not want any complaints on what happens to the government, programs, and the economy after two or three years under the MAGA government. First there will be Trump and the cronies he will gather around him will go after his perceived enemies, just as the right-wing dictators he loves so much. You think this is just talk, but with his people in place and SCOTUS under his thumb, he can do just about anything he wants and be immune from any legal problems. Then the right will do away with the ACA and either reduce Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid programs or get rid of them altogether. He will take away all of those pesky rules and regulations that keep our air, land water and food clean so the corporations can increase their already obscene profits. Finally, they will enact a huge tax cut for the wealthy as he has promised his donors. And what about all of those people who voted for him, well they will get the ability to tell themselves they gave it to those libs. SO when all of this starts, and it will under Trump, none of you who voted for him should start complaining as your freedom of speech no longer will cover you if you do.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

This dude is a walking version of the view. Unhinged insanity.

Also, your lack of paragraphs make your babbling challenging to follow.

Speaking of, your poor use of paragraphs resembles mikesez. Hmm.....

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I do not want any complaints on what happens to the government, programs, and the economy after two or three years under the MAGA government. First there will be Trump and the cronies he will gather around him will go after his perceived enemies, just as the right-wing dictators he loves so much. You think this is just talk, but with his people in place and SCOTUS under his thumb, he can do just about anything he wants and be immune from any legal problems. Then the right will do away with the ACA and either reduce Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid programs or get rid of them altogether. He will take away all of those pesky rules and regulations that keep our air, land water and food clean so the corporations can increase their already obscene profits. Finally, they will enact a huge tax cut for the wealthy as he has promised his donors. And what about all of those people who voted for him, well they will get the ability to tell themselves they gave it to those libs. SO when all of this starts, and it will under Trump, none of you who voted for him should start complaining as your freedom of speech no longer will cover you if you do.

They didn't care what you had to say before and they won't start caring now.
They think it's cool and manly to be prideful and discourteous.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I do not want any complaints on what happens to the government, programs, and the economy after two or three years under the MAGA government. First there will be Trump and the cronies he will gather around him will go after his perceived enemies, just as the right-wing dictators he loves so much. You think this is just talk, but with his people in place and SCOTUS under his thumb, he can do just about anything he wants and be immune from any legal problems. Then the right will do away with the ACA and either reduce Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid programs or get rid of them altogether. He will take away all of those pesky rules and regulations that keep our air, land water and food clean so the corporations can increase their already obscene profits. Finally, they will enact a huge tax cut for the wealthy as he has promised his donors. And what about all of those people who voted for him, well they will get the ability to tell themselves they gave it to those libs. SO when all of this starts, and it will under Trump, none of you who voted for him should start complaining as your freedom of speech no longer will cover you if you do.

They didn't care what you had to say before and they won't start caring now.
They think it's cool and manly to be prideful and discourteous.

Does it feel weird responding to yourself?

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You really don't know what MAGA is about. You list a bunch of stuff that you think MAGA doesn't care about. You really need to move away from MSM and open your eyes and ears. Your brainwashing will fade and you will finally see the truth.

Conservatives care about everything you listed but they don't want a huge government controlling everything in their life. Look at the environment, any hunter, fisherman, or farmer is usually a better "environmentalist" than a crazy liberal. They need to keep habitats in balance and clean to be able to hunt, fish, and farm.

Most of the issues you have are with the elites but you fail to realize the democrats are the elites with socialism propaganda to fool you. The RINOs are all elites also, so you have 1 uniparty that doesn't really change much. Hopefully Trump can clean the government out, give the power back to the states and the people, and setup a bright future with limited federal government.

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They didn't care what you had to say before and they won't start caring now.
They think it's cool and manly to be prideful and discourteous.

Does it feel weird responding to yourself?

Show some respect, son.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I do not want any complaints on what happens to the government, programs, and the economy after two or three years under the MAGA government. First there will be Trump and the cronies he will gather around him will go after his perceived enemies, just as the right-wing dictators he loves so much. You think this is just talk, but with his people in place and SCOTUS under his thumb, he can do just about anything he wants and be immune from any legal problems. Then the right will do away with the ACA and either reduce Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid programs or get rid of them altogether. He will take away all of those pesky rules and regulations that keep our air, land water and food clean so the corporations can increase their already obscene profits. Finally, they will enact a huge tax cut for the wealthy as he has promised his donors. And what about all of those people who voted for him, well they will get the ability to tell themselves they gave it to those libs. SO when all of this starts, and it will under Trump, none of you who voted for him should start complaining as your freedom of speech no longer will cover you if you do.

Hilarious. I picture this when I see the ops post. I can see a guy arguing over abortion rights.

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You really don't know what MAGA is about. You list a bunch of stuff that you think MAGA doesn't care about. You really need to move away from MSM and open your eyes and ears. Your brainwashing will fade and you will finally see the truth.

Conservatives care about everything you listed but they don't want a huge government controlling everything in their life. Look at the environment, any hunter, fisherman, or farmer is usually a better "environmentalist" than a crazy liberal. They need to keep habitats in balance and clean to be able to hunt, fish, and farm.

Most of the issues you have are with the elites but you fail to realize the democrats are the elites with socialism propaganda to fool you. The RINOs are all elites also, so you have 1 uniparty that doesn't really change much. Hopefully Trump can clean the government out, give the power back to the states and the people, and setup a bright future with limited federal government.

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I'm surprised at your thoughtful reply. 
Leave aside the stuff about the environment.
What about him going after his perceived enemies?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

The best argument I heard about the lefts reaction to Trumps first term was they immediately reacted to anything he did or said at level 10 outrage. That caused problems as when he did something controversial, it sounded the same as all the other outrage they had.

Judge him on what he does when he's President.

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The best argument I heard about the lefts reaction to Trumps first term was they immediately reacted to anything he did or said at level 10 outrage. That caused problems as when he did something controversial, it sounded the same as all the other outrage they had.

Judge him on what he does when he's President.

It's the boy who cried wolf.  The left does it so often that it's lost whatever effectiveness it may have once had and people are tuning their left wing echo chamber propaganda "news" programs out.

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The best argument I heard about the lefts reaction to Trumps first term was they immediately reacted to anything he did or said at level 10 outrage. That caused problems as when he did something controversial, it sounded the same as all the other outrage they had.

Judge him on what he does when he's President.

Well there are three distinct entities that you're lumping together.
The media, the Democrat elected politicians, and the Democrat voters.
The media is trying to make money.  They amped up everything Trump did, to get lots of people watching, and Trump played along with it!
The Democrat elected politicians didn't want to play along, wanted to save their ammo, but, it was a prisoners dilemma.  The first Democrat to offer themselves to the media for an outrageous reaction to Trump's outrageous action would get their name in the media, and move up in the Democrat ranks.
The Democrat voters, they were just along for the ride.  Don't judge them for any of that.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

The best argument I heard about the lefts reaction to Trumps first term was they immediately reacted to anything he did or said at level 10 outrage. That caused problems as when he did something controversial, it sounded the same as all the other outrage they had.

Judge him on what he does when he's President.

It's the boy who cried wolf.  The left does it so often that it's lost whatever effectiveness it may have once had and people are tuning their left wing echo chamber propaganda "news" programs out.

Your exactly right. And with social media allowing you to block out any opinion different to your own and endlessly talking about how terrible whatever Trump has done is, they rile each other up. Obviously this isn't just limited to the left but it just undermines arguments and criticism when that's all that happens, especially when there's something genuine to be unhappy about.

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The best argument I heard about the lefts reaction to Trumps first term was they immediately reacted to anything he did or said at level 10 outrage. That caused problems as when he did something controversial, it sounded the same as all the other outrage they had.

Judge him on what he does when he's President.

Well there are three distinct entities that you're lumping together.
The media, the Democrat elected politicians, and the Democrat voters.
The media is trying to make money.  They amped up everything Trump did, to get lots of people watching, and Trump played along with it!
The Democrat elected politicians didn't want to play along, wanted to save their ammo, but, it was a prisoners dilemma.  The first Democrat to offer themselves to the media for an outrageous reaction to Trump's outrageous action would get their name in the media, and move up in the Democrat ranks.
The Democrat voters, they were just along for the ride.  Don't judge them for any of that.

You make some good points but that division was part of the problem. I don't fault Democrat voters for not liking Trump or being negative as a default. The problem like you state was the media and certain politicians willing to play the outrage card for views and attention and it hurt the times there were genuine reasons for a Democrat to feel that.

My argument would be if people think Trump is as crazy and vengeful as some think, bide your time, he will do something that will deserve scrutiny and criticism.

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It's the boy who cried wolf.  The left does it so often that it's lost whatever effectiveness it may have once had and people are tuning their left wing echo chamber propaganda "news" programs out.

Your exactly right. And with social media allowing you to block out any opinion different to your own and endlessly talking about how terrible whatever Trump has done is, they rile each other up. Obviously this isn't just limited to the left but it just undermines arguments and criticism when that's all that happens, especially when there's something genuine to be unhappy about.

I'm watching another unfriending cycle play out on Facebook.  Smaller scale than the last two, thankfully.  I guess most everyone's already been sorted by now.  Sad!

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Well there are three distinct entities that you're lumping together.
The media, the Democrat elected politicians, and the Democrat voters.
The media is trying to make money.  They amped up everything Trump did, to get lots of people watching, and Trump played along with it!
The Democrat elected politicians didn't want to play along, wanted to save their ammo, but, it was a prisoners dilemma.  The first Democrat to offer themselves to the media for an outrageous reaction to Trump's outrageous action would get their name in the media, and move up in the Democrat ranks.
The Democrat voters, they were just along for the ride.  Don't judge them for any of that.

You make some good points but that division was part of the problem. I don't fault Democrat voters for not liking Trump or being negative as a default. The problem like you state was the media and certain politicians willing to play the outrage card for views and attention and it hurt the times there were genuine reasons for a Democrat to feel that.

My argument would be if people think Trump is as crazy and vengeful as some think, bide your time, he will do something that will deserve scrutiny and criticism.

I agree! Maybe the media has learned something and will hold their fire.  I think many in the media have.  But it's a prisoner's dilemma, like I said, when anything can go viral, anyone can make a name for themselves by firing first, even if that hurts their cause, even if that hurts the entire country.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Your exactly right. And with social media allowing you to block out any opinion different to your own and endlessly talking about how terrible whatever Trump has done is, they rile each other up. Obviously this isn't just limited to the left but it just undermines arguments and criticism when that's all that happens, especially when there's something genuine to be unhappy about.

I'm watching another unfriending cycle play out on Facebook.  Smaller scale than the last two, thankfully.  I guess most everyone's already been sorted by now.  Sad!

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Yeah that's sad and the person initiating it doesn't realize they're a bigger part of the problem than whatever they think they're fighting against.  One of my wife's cousins who I've never met and we have no real life interaction with and I don't believe knows our politics so I'm not taking it personal posted on Facebook the morning of the election that "any of her friends or even family who are Trump supporters can unfriend her now because of yadda yadda yadda".  By contrast, I think her way of thinking is dangerously wrong politically speaking, but I respect her right to arrive at different conclusions and I respect my right to change my mind in the future and I never feel the need or desire to agitate someone into an altercation or to get into an uninvited persuasive argument with them.  The left seems much quicker to do these types of things and less willing to respect differences of opinion though I realize they don't have a monopoly on that.

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I do not want any complaints on what happens to the government, programs, and the economy after two or three years under the MAGA government. First there will be Trump and the cronies he will gather around him will go after his perceived enemies, just as the right-wing dictators he loves so much. You think this is just talk, but with his people in place and SCOTUS under his thumb, he can do just about anything he wants and be immune from any legal problems. Then the right will do away with the ACA and either reduce Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid programs or get rid of them altogether. He will take away all of those pesky rules and regulations that keep our air, land water and food clean so the corporations can increase their already obscene profits. Finally, they will enact a huge tax cut for the wealthy as he has promised his donors. And what about all of those people who voted for him, well they will get the ability to tell themselves they gave it to those libs. SO when all of this starts, and it will under Trump, none of you who voted for him should start complaining as your freedom of speech no longer will cover you if you do.

They didn't care what you had to say before and they won't start caring now.
They think it's cool and manly to be prideful and discourteous.

The irony of you saying this as he’s giving orders to grown [BLEEP] adults.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

The best argument I heard about the lefts reaction to Trumps first term was they immediately reacted to anything he did or said at level 10 outrage. That caused problems as when he did something controversial, it sounded the same as all the other outrage they had.

Judge him on what he does when he's President.

I totally agree with this. Of course, the "right" is no different. Listen to what Rush Limbaugh and other conservative talk show hosts had to say on a daily basis about Obama or Clinton. Both sides are equally guilty since this is what gets good ratings.

Very few disagree with the opinion that Trump is a very bad person. This includes the many Republicans who say, " I voted for Trump even though I don't like him." This, however, is not the reason people should have voted for Harris. Policies are much more important than personality. The Democrats made a big mistake by going after Trump for things that were done for political reasons only. Had they simply gone after Trump for his actions regarding the 2020 election, the overall public would have been much more supportive. This includes many Republicans who value democracy and the peaceful transition of power from one administration to the next. Instead, they looked at this as just one more thing the Democrats were drumming up to bring down the man they hated so much. Combine this with the economic struggles of too many Americans and it should be no surprise that Trump was victorious.

None of us know for sure how Trump's policies will turn out 4 years from now. Admittedly, I am very skeptical that he will he will be any more successful than he was during his first term. His failure at addressing Covid more expeditiously and effectively lead to thousands and thousands of unnecessary deaths. He added to the national debt to the tune of almost 8 Trillion dollars, about double of the Biden administration. And much of this occurred prior to Covid. The country would be much better off had the Republicans in Congress who were infuriated by Trump's behavior on January 5 voted to impeach Trump for his actions. Instead, they did a 180 when they likely feared for their safety (and their family's) when likely receiving death threats like Liz Cheney and others courageous enough to speak out against Trump. There were several true conservatives who stand for something that would have made excellent candidates and likely would have trounced Harris by more than Trump. Instead, we have a 78 year old man who never stood for anything but himself. 

Jagfan 81, I appreciate your thoughtful post and regardless of my personal distaste for Trump, I will judge his 2nd Presidency based on what he does- as you suggested. It is my hope that my expectations are incorrect and that he makes things better for all those currently struggling to pay their bills.

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This dude is a walking version of the view. Unhinged insanity.

Also, your lack of paragraphs make your babbling challenging to follow.

Speaking of, your poor use of paragraphs resembles mikesez. Hmm.....

Speaking of the view,

How good was Sunny's melt.

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