I reject what you say because what you say is based off of emotion and feelings..

[BLEEP] your feelings.

You assume that anyone who hasn't come to share your particular brand of spite conservatism must be too devoted to immature soft-hearted feelings. 

And then you feel additional spite against them because they're not dead inside like you. 

Spite is not your friend. You feed it, and it just makes you feel more spite to more people who deserve it less and less.

So, really, [BLEEP] YOUR feelings, Winger.  They aren't helping you or anyone else. You need to be saying to yourself, "[BLEEP] my feelings".  Make it your new mantra. Make your Feelings Great Again.

When it comes to this health and safety of this country, you leave your [BLEEP] feelings out of it, bite the bullet and do what's right.. You like to incorporate your feelings into a subject and warp that subject into a totally different topic seeded in delusion and hypotheticals and treat that hypothetical as fact..

You are one of the most delusional people on this forum, which is why I quit reading you as much and take what you say with a grain of salt..

Or am I lying?

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You assume that anyone who hasn't come to share your particular brand of spite conservatism must be too devoted to immature soft-hearted feelings. 

And then you feel additional spite against them because they're not dead inside like you. 

Spite is not your friend. You feed it, and it just makes you feel more spite to more people who deserve it less and less.

So, really, [BLEEP] YOUR feelings, Winger.  They aren't helping you or anyone else. You need to be saying to yourself, "[BLEEP] my feelings".  Make it your new mantra. Make your Feelings Great Again.

When it comes to this health and safety of this country, you leave your [BLEEP] feelings out of it, bite the bullet and do what's right.. You like to incorporate your feelings into a subject and warp that subject into a totally different topic seeded in delusion and hypotheticals and treat that hypothetical as fact..

You are one of the most delusional people on this forum, which is why I quit reading you as much and take what you say with a grain of salt..

Or am I lying?

No you're just unable to understand or appreciate hypotheticals or most other forms of higher level thinking.
So you just call them delusions.
You do you!

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

When it comes to this health and safety of this country, you leave your [BLEEP] feelings out of it, bite the bullet and do what's right.. You like to incorporate your feelings into a subject and warp that subject into a totally different topic seeded in delusion and hypotheticals and treat that hypothetical as fact..

You are one of the most delusional people on this forum, which is why I quit reading you as much and take what you say with a grain of salt..

Or am I lying?

No you're just unable to understand or appreciate hypotheticals or most other forms of higher level thinking.
So you just call them delusions.
You do you!

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Trump is 78 years old, and doesn't look like he's in great health.  He's way overweight.  And without that orange makeup, he looks pretty old.  

He's not immortal.

I don't think it's orange make-up I think it's too much time spent in a tanning bed, or at least self tanner. I say that because right around his eyes has always been more normal skin color and those who use tanning beds always use specific goggles to protect the eyes.

Regardless, it looks like he's not as orange as usual and he does look older without the 'tanned' skin. Plus, he's 8 years older than his previous win for the WH. I do wish the man would take better care of himself. Anyone leading the country doesn't need to be super athletic but eating nutrient dense food and getting some exercise is good for the mind and the body. 

Who is the last POTUS, if any, to die of anything other than assasination while in active service? I'll have to look that up. None in modern history that I can think of right off hand.

FDR

1945.

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Trump is 78 years old, and doesn't look like he's in great health.  He's way overweight.  And without that orange makeup, he looks pretty old.  

He's not immortal.

I don't think it's orange make-up I think it's too much time spent in a tanning bed, or at least self tanner. I say that because right around his eyes has always been more normal skin color and those who use tanning beds always use specific goggles to protect the eyes.

Regardless, it looks like he's not as orange as usual and he does look older without the 'tanned' skin. Plus, he's 8 years older than his previous win for the WH. I do wish the man would take better care of himself. Anyone leading the country doesn't need to be super athletic but eating nutrient dense food and getting some exercise is good for the mind and the body. 

Who is the last POTUS, if any, to die of anything other than assassination while in active service? I'll have to look that up. None in modern history that I can think of right off hand.

Biden (2023)

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I don't think it's orange make-up I think it's too much time spent in a tanning bed, or at least self tanner. I say that because right around his eyes has always been more normal skin color and those who use tanning beds always use specific goggles to protect the eyes.

Regardless, it looks like he's not as orange as usual and he does look older without the 'tanned' skin. Plus, he's 8 years older than his previous win for the WH. I do wish the man would take better care of himself. Anyone leading the country doesn't need to be super athletic but eating nutrient dense food and getting some exercise is good for the mind and the body. 

Who is the last POTUS, if any, to die of anything other than assasination while in active service? I'll have to look that up. None in modern history that I can think of right off hand.

FDR

1945.

I believe that is correct.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

I don't think it's orange make-up I think it's too much time spent in a tanning bed, or at least self tanner. I say that because right around his eyes has always been more normal skin color and those who use tanning beds always use specific goggles to protect the eyes.

Regardless, it looks like he's not as orange as usual and he does look older without the 'tanned' skin. Plus, he's 8 years older than his previous win for the WH. I do wish the man would take better care of himself. Anyone leading the country doesn't need to be super athletic but eating nutrient dense food and getting some exercise is good for the mind and the body. 

Who is the last POTUS, if any, to die of anything other than assassination while in active service? I'll have to look that up. None in modern history that I can think of right off hand.

Biden (2023)

Technically incorrect.  Though the brain is dead, he still has a heartbeat.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

DeSantis has no chance unless Trump comes out and says he ran on purpose to drain the RINO money from the Bush side and to split votes.

DeSantis showed he has no charisma, listens to the wrong people (Jeb Bush heavy influences), and didn't really sound like he wanted it. He is better in different elements but campaigning across the country isn't good for him. I don't know if he will run for senate or want his plans are but I'm not sure he wins a primary before 2028.

The Dems side is way too early. Their party has to figure out what they want to be. Newsom or Shapiro would probably be the normal front runners but both of them are damaged goods and may not fit the new vision.

If Trump can clean house, fix election laws, and stop voter roll fraud, then I don't see how a Dem wins in the near future.

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Donald will claim that the 2024 was 25% stolen and the 2020 election was 75% stolen so he is entitled to at least one more term.

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Donald will claim that the 2024 was 25% stolen and the 2020 election was 75% stolen so he is entitled to at least one more term.

Does it hurt pulling all this crap out your butt at once, or have you done it so often that you’re used to it?

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Biden (2023)

Technically incorrect.  Though the brain is dead, he still has a heartbeat.

Good point.   I think your point is proved when Jill got denied when she attempted to cash in on his life insurance policy  ...

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Donald will claim that the 2024 was 25% stolen and the 2020 election was 75% stolen so he is entitled to at least one more term.

Does it hurt pulling all this crap out your butt at once, or have you done it so often that you’re used to it?

LOL I believ e it was a nice try but while funny, not very good attempt. What some people do not realize is this was not your normal election. Trump was very clear on what he was going to do. He was really blunt on the changes and how he would do it. The people listened and voted overwhelmingly for this. This is real life, this is happening it will not be stopped. Those that try will be remembered and dealt with during mid terms. Get used to it and enjoy.

reminds me of a quote from a film. (Moneyball)

I know you are taking it in the teeth, but the first guy through the wall... he always gets bloody... always. This is threatening not just a way of doing business... but in their minds, it's threatening the game. Really what it's threatening is their livelihood, their jobs. It's threatening the way they do things... and every time that happens, whether it's the government, a way of doing business, whatever, the people who are holding the reins - they have their hands on the switch - they go [BLEEP] crazy.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Donald will claim that the 2024 was 25% stolen and the 2020 election was 75% stolen so he is entitled to at least one more term.

Does it hurt pulling all this crap out your butt at once, or have you done it so often that you’re used to it?

Donald isn't interested in your opinions on his 2028 candidacy.

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With the 2024 election now over, I was just curious about who were the leading candidates for president in 2028.  I realize different sites will have different odds, but the below is based upon the site that I pulled up first.  Below are the Republicans with the best odds:

1.  JD Vance - No surprise.  Assuming the Trump second term is successful, I would be surprised if he wasn't the Republican candidate.

2.  Ron DeSantis - He has the qualifications.  By 2028, he will have served 2 full terms as governor of the third largest state.  His re-election was by a margin over 20%.  The usual criticism of governors running for president is lack of foreign affairs and military experience.  However, DeSantis has foreign affairs experience from serving in Congress and military experience from serving in the Navy.  The questions on him are whether he is charismatic enough and whether Republicans hold a grudge for challenging Trump in 2024. 

3.  Tulsi Gabbard - The former Congresswoman is expected to serve some major role in the Trump administration.  She would be a great candidate at attracting independent and moderate voters in a general election.  The question is how much does her prior voting record and stance on issues as a former Democrat turn off Republican voters.

Much more interesting are the Democrats with the best odds:

1.  Michelle Obama - Unlike Hillary who was a senator for her first run and then secretary of state for her second run, Obama has no experience legitimately qualifying her to be President of the United States unless you count first lady and I don't.  I think it's highly unlikely she runs.  I hear she hates campaigning.  I also think she enjoys her current popularity which would inevitably nose dive as soon as she became a candidate.

2.  Gavin Newsom - I do think he runs and is maybe the candidate.  He is governor of the largest states and is reasonably charismatic.  His problem is that he's going to have to defend his terrible record as governor.  Maybe he can convince Democrats, but Republicans and I think many Independents will hate it in the general election.

3.  Hillary Clinton - LOL!  She lost before and she's just gotten older.  I would be very surprised if she actually attempted to run again.

4.  Oprah Winfrey - She's very light on experience, although I'm sure Democrats will argue that being CEO of Harpo Productions and the Oprah Winfrey Network somehow qualifies her as a successful businessperson like Trump.  I also just don't think that she'll run.  I believe she only did what she did for the Harris campaign because of a $1 million payment to Harpo Productions, aka herself.  If I was paid a million dollars, I would probably hold a town hall for Harris too.

5.  Kamala Harris - LOL again!  She had an embarrassing loss and she's going to run again!?!?!?!

6.  Josh Shapiro - I think he would be one of the tougher opponents for the Republicans.  The question is whether Democrats will nominate him given that he is Jewish and holds some moderate political positions.  I find it interesting that he's so far down this list of candidates.  He's less likely than Hillary and Harris?

7 (tie).  AOC - LOL!  Never mind that she's an idiot, she's so far to the left that she would lose the general election in a landslide if she was the candidate.

7 (tie) Tim Walz -  I can't stop LOL'ing!  He was the VP candidate on a very poor campaign and got destroyed in the VP debate.

7 (tie) Ivanka Trump - She was listed as a Democrat and I believe it's true that she is a registered Democrat.  She seems to be trying to distance herself from Donald Trump this time around.  Does that mean she has political aspirations as a Democrat or that she simply wants nothing to do with politics anymore?  Would Democrats actually vote for a Trump?  I seriously doubt it.  

7 (tie).  Gretchen Whitmer - I think she would be one of the better candidates for the Democrats.  It's funny to see her this far down the list and having equal or lower odds than Hillary, Harris, Walz and AOC.  

The Democrats have a very weak bench.

8. Registered Democrat Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson

9 (or 4?): Independent Matthew McConaughey

10: John Fetterman

The odds are zero for Michelle, Kamala, or Hillary. Newsom is definitely going to run, unless there is a major scandal in his life.  Whitmer too.  Newsom would probably beat her.  The Democrat voters probably want Newsom this time.  BUT the DNC is going to want to find an "opposite of Kamala" candidate and Newsom ain't it.  They want a candidate who poor and lower middle class folks will like.  Hence the three names I added

I don't see an actor getting the nomination.  A senator is always possible, but the Democrats would have a better chance of winning the presidency with a governor.  They are currently losing bad on the economy/inflation and immigration.  A governor at least has plausible deniability.  They can at least try to say "I had nothing to do with the border.  I had nothing to do with national inflation."

Shapiro-Whitmer would probably be their toughest ticket to go against the Republicans.  I know that being from a state doesn't guarantee you win it, but who would be better for the Democrats to win Pennsylvania than Shapiro?  Who would be better to win Michigan than Whitmer?  If they can win those two states and hold the Harris states, the Democrats are just Wisconsin (which Trump won by less than 1%) away from winning the electoral college.  That ticket would at least give them a shot.  I currently see most other tickets as having long odds of winning.

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The R's almost certainly will run Vance.  There will be an upstart candidate challenging Vance.  It won't be Ron.  They are too similar.  It won't be any current senator or governor.  That lane is likely closed for now.  The best scenario for the R's is another figure from the corporate world or entertainment world steps up to challenge Vance. It would give Vance a foil and a quest to win and whichever candidate who won would be that much stronger.  The worst scenario is Don Jr or Eric challenges him.  The Trump kid would probably lose but it would badly wound Vance's candidacy.  Lots of the Trump coalition voters drop away.

I think the odds are very slim of them running if Vance is running.  What are they going to do?  Trash their father's record?  If they praise Trump's record, they would also be praising Vance.  How do they win votes that way?  As such, they are too smart to run.  They are both young.  If they want to run for president, they can wait for a better opportunity down the road.

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Does it hurt pulling all this crap out your butt at once, or have you done it so often that you’re used to it?

Donald isn't interested in your opinions on his 2028 candidacy.

That’s good, since my comment was directed at you. You get confused easily, don’t you? You should get checked, they have things that can help with that now.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Hey guys what are the odds now?

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

8. Registered Democrat Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson

9 (or 4?): Independent Matthew McConaughey

10: John Fetterman

The odds are zero for Michelle, Kamala, or Hillary. Newsom is definitely going to run, unless there is a major scandal in his life.  Whitmer too.  Newsom would probably beat her.  The Democrat voters probably want Newsom this time.  BUT the DNC is going to want to find an "opposite of Kamala" candidate and Newsom ain't it.  They want a candidate who poor and lower middle class folks will like.  Hence the three names I added

Not in '28 and not as a Democrat, but it will happen and he will win.

IF YA SMELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL....

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Would love Tulsi to win in '28, but to do so, the Russia conflict with Ukraine has to be over. Otherwise it's too easy for the D to campaign that Tulsi is a KGB agent.

Imagine a R woman President to shut the misogyny crowd.

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CCL Stroudcrowd1

I like Tulsi Gabbard and Vivek Ramaswamy for 2028 at the moment.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."