You incorrectly think your opinion has been proven right because, like most amateur intellects, you conflate correlation with causation.

Is Doug going to be fired?

That's what media is saying more or less. We'll see. 

I think it's going to be very interesting to see if a new coach can make this team play better.

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Is Doug going to be fired?

That's what media is saying more or less. We'll see. 

I think it's going to be very interesting to see if a new coach can make this team play better.

We're playoff caliber with a HC that wants to be a HC.  The talent on this team isn't the best.  But the talent on this team is also not worthy of a 2-9 record.

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I didn't watch this game but i just saw a stat where the lions had 475 more total offensive yards than the jags....

Just crazy

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You incorrectly think your opinion has been proven right because, like most amateur intellects, you conflate correlation with causation.

Is Doug going to be fired?

I expect so, there's a lot of groundswell for it today, but we know that's not really how Shad operates. I do think he goes at the end of the year for sure. The question is whether or not Baalke survives.

For the record, I'm ok if both are fired tonight, the product doesn't warrant keeping either one despite the obvious-to-most-people critical deficiencies of this roster. Maybe a new coach and GM can right this ship next year, but a new coach with Baalke will likely be the end of my time watching this team.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Didn't watch.

It was a beautiful afternoon outside in Jacksonville. Soaked it all in.

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That's what media is saying more or less. We'll see. 

I think it's going to be very interesting to see if a new coach can make this team play better.

We're playoff caliber with a HC that wants to be a HC.  The talent on this team isn't the best.  But the talent on this team is also not worthy of a 2-9 record.

Lol, you keep thinking that champ.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Disappointed in the Jaguars. More disappointed in the Lions.

Why?

A better team could have broken three digits.

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That's what media is saying more or less. We'll see. 

I think it's going to be very interesting to see if a new coach can make this team play better.

We're playoff caliber with a HC that wants to be a HC.  The talent on this team isn't the best.  But the talent on this team is also not worthy of a 2-9 record.

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Is Doug going to be fired?

I expect so, there's a lot of groundswell for it today, but we know that's not really how Shad operates. I do think he goes at the end of the year for sure. The question is whether or not Baalke survives.

For the record, I'm ok if both are fired tonight, the product doesn't warrant keeping either one despite the obvious-to-most-people critical deficiencies of this roster. Maybe a new coach and GM can right this ship next year, but a new coach with Baalke will likely be the end of my time watching this team.

Bro, Baalke is going to be fired.  

I'm not sure why you are so negative.  It's gonna happen.  You are correct that the GM is total trash.  The entire thing is going to be flushed out.  But you have to admit this coaching has been garbage for the last 2 seasons.

Honestly, I'm more upset with Doug because he could have really turned this whole thing around, and instead he got lazy.  But I think Baalke is the one that needs to be fired first.  He's failed this team.  The O-Line is out classed by most teams.  The D-Line is out classed by every team we've gone against.  That's all on Baalke.  He should not be here come Monday afternoon. 

But Doug, a SB winning HC, should be allowed to run out the string.  Let him either inspire a few wins to get him a potential future job, or prove he's a total mirage of a HC.  He deserves that chance.  Baalke doesn't.

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I expect so, there's a lot of groundswell for it today, but we know that's not really how Shad operates. I do think he goes at the end of the year for sure. The question is whether or not Baalke survives.

For the record, I'm ok if both are fired tonight, the product doesn't warrant keeping either one despite the obvious-to-most-people critical deficiencies of this roster. Maybe a new coach and GM can right this ship next year, but a new coach with Baalke will likely be the end of my time watching this team.

Bro, Baalke is going to be fired.  

I'm not sure why you are so negative.  It's gonna happen.  You are correct that the GM is total trash.  The entire thing is going to be flushed out.  But you have to admit this coaching has been garbage for the last 2 seasons.

Honestly, I'm more upset with Doug because he could have really turned this whole thing around, and instead he got lazy.  But I think Baalke is the one that needs to be fired first.  He's failed this team.  The O-Line is out classed by most teams.  The D-Line is out classed by every team we've gone against.  That's all on Baalke.  He should not be here come Monday afternoon. 

But Doug, a SB winning HC, should be allowed to run out the string.  Let him either inspire a few wins to get him a potential future job, or prove he's a total mirage of a HC.  He deserves that chance.  Baalke doesn't.

Bull [BLEEP]. You didn't think that when you wouldn't shut up about Press Taylor, you were insistent that Taylor was the reason for all evil in the world. The coaching got this team in position to win games, the players [BLEEP] up their chances. You can change the coaches a hundred times, that doesn't fix the issue.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

https://twitter.com/TravisDHolmes/status...5548770721

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Does anyone have a secondary team they'll root for now that our season is done? Mine is any team playing against the Chiefs. Today, I'm a Bills fan.

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Bro, Baalke is going to be fired.  

I'm not sure why you are so negative.  It's gonna happen.  You are correct that the GM is total trash.  The entire thing is going to be flushed out.  But you have to admit this coaching has been garbage for the last 2 seasons.

Honestly, I'm more upset with Doug because he could have really turned this whole thing around, and instead he got lazy.  But I think Baalke is the one that needs to be fired first.  He's failed this team.  The O-Line is out classed by most teams.  The D-Line is out classed by every team we've gone against.  That's all on Baalke.  He should not be here come Monday afternoon. 

But Doug, a SB winning HC, should be allowed to run out the string.  Let him either inspire a few wins to get him a potential future job, or prove he's a total mirage of a HC.  He deserves that chance.  Baalke doesn't.

Bull [BLEEP]. You didn't think that when you wouldn't shut up about Press Taylor, you were insistent that Taylor was the reason for all evil in the world. The coaching got this team in position games, the players [BLEEP] up their chances. You can change the coaches a hundred times, that doesn't fix the issue.

That's just incorrect.  I kept saying during the 2022 season that the offense didn't look right.  I kept saying it even during wins.  The offense in 2023 didn't look like the offense of 2022.  And you know that is correct.  Then it came out that Doug decided to give more responsibility to Press.  

You know that.  Stop trying to revise what happened last year.  What I said last year, anyone can look up.  We were winning and I was still worried about how the game plan on offense was running.  It looked off, even when we were going 8-3.

But seriously, who cares?  You were wrong last year.  I was right.  It happens.  Just stop trying to make it like I was hating Press only.  I was concerned that Doug was relinquishing his duties to an inferior coach.  And it's come to fruition that is exactly what happened.

Doug is going to be fired.  And it's because he didn't want to continue to run the offense and he relinquished his responsibilities to an OC that has no clue how to run an offense.  Whatever type of accusations you want to throw my way, I know, and you know that I'm right.  

You know how I know this?  Because Doug and Press are about to be fired.

Lo and Behod, I was right.

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Does anyone have a secondary team they'll root for now that our season is done? Mine is any team playing against the Chiefs. Today, I'm a Bills fan.

Houston for me. Everyone is excited to get that division title and I'll root for them this year. Stroud is loved here. Got tix to the Texans titans game next week and I'm only going to cheer for a titans loss more than a texans win

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Bull [BLEEP]. You didn't think that when you wouldn't shut up about Press Taylor, you were insistent that Taylor was the reason for all evil in the world. The coaching got this team in position games, the players [BLEEP] up their chances. You can change the coaches a hundred times, that doesn't fix the issue.

That's just incorrect.  I kept saying during the 2022 season that the offense didn't look right.  I kept saying it even during wins.  The offense in 2023 didn't look like the offense of 2022.  And you know that is correct.  Then it came out that Doug decided to give more responsibility to Press.  

You know that.  Stop trying to revise what happened last year.  What I said last year, anyone can look up.  We were winning and I was still worried about how the game plan on offense was running.  It looked off, even when we were going 8-3.

But seriously, who cares?  You were wrong last year.  I was right.  It happens.  Just stop trying to make it like I was hating Press only.  I was concerned that Doug was relinquishing his duties to an inferior coach.  And it's come to fruition that is exactly what happened.

Doug is going to be fired.  And it's because he didn't want to continue to run the offense and he relinquished his responsibilities to an OC that has no clue how to run an offense.  Whatever type of accusations you want to throw my way, I know, and you know that I'm right.  

You know how I know this?  Because Doug and Press are about to be fired.

Lo and Behod, I was right.

Doug isn't a good coach. He's just not. It doesn't matter whether he kept calling the plays or not. It was his offense.

This is also not a playoff team with a new HC. We are devoid of talent.

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That's just incorrect.  I kept saying during the 2022 season that the offense didn't look right.  I kept saying it even during wins.  The offense in 2023 didn't look like the offense of 2022.  And you know that is correct.  Then it came out that Doug decided to give more responsibility to Press.  

You know that.  Stop trying to revise what happened last year.  What I said last year, anyone can look up.  We were winning and I was still worried about how the game plan on offense was running.  It looked off, even when we were going 8-3.

But seriously, who cares?  You were wrong last year.  I was right.  It happens.  Just stop trying to make it like I was hating Press only.  I was concerned that Doug was relinquishing his duties to an inferior coach.  And it's come to fruition that is exactly what happened.

Doug is going to be fired.  And it's because he didn't want to continue to run the offense and he relinquished his responsibilities to an OC that has no clue how to run an offense.  Whatever type of accusations you want to throw my way, I know, and you know that I'm right.  

You know how I know this?  Because Doug and Press are about to be fired.

Lo and Behod, I was right.

Doug isn't a good coach. He's just not. It doesn't matter whether he kept calling the plays or not. It was his offense.

This is also not a playoff team with a new HC. We are devoid of talent.

This is not a 2-9 team...

That's on coaching.

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Bull [BLEEP]. You didn't think that when you wouldn't shut up about Press Taylor, you were insistent that Taylor was the reason for all evil in the world. The coaching got this team in position games, the players [BLEEP] up their chances. You can change the coaches a hundred times, that doesn't fix the issue.

That's just incorrect.  I kept saying during the 2022 season that the offense didn't look right.  I kept saying it even during wins.  The offense in 2023 didn't look like the offense of 2022.  And you know that is correct.  Then it came out that Doug decided to give more responsibility to Press.  

You know that.  Stop trying to revise what happened last year.  What I said last year, anyone can look up.  We were winning and I was still worried about how the game plan on offense was running.  It looked off, even when we were going 8-3.

But seriously, who cares?  You were wrong last year.  I was right.  It happens.  Just stop trying to make it like I was hating Press only.  I was concerned that Doug was relinquishing his duties to an inferior coach.  And it's come to fruition that is exactly what happened.

Doug is going to be fired.  And it's because he didn't want to continue to run the offense and he relinquished his responsibilities to an OC that has no clue how to run an offense.  Whatever type of accusations you want to throw my way, I know, and you know that I'm right.  

You know how I know this?  Because Doug and Press are about to be fired.

Lo and Behod, I was right.

Lol, you care deeply. It's why you keep trying to make your wrong takes be correct, even if you have to revise history to make them so.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Does anyone have a secondary team they'll root for now that our season is done? Mine is any team playing against the Chiefs. Today, I'm a Bills fan.

Tbh lions

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That's just incorrect.  I kept saying during the 2022 season that the offense didn't look right.  I kept saying it even during wins.  The offense in 2023 didn't look like the offense of 2022.  And you know that is correct.  Then it came out that Doug decided to give more responsibility to Press.  

You know that.  Stop trying to revise what happened last year.  What I said last year, anyone can look up.  We were winning and I was still worried about how the game plan on offense was running.  It looked off, even when we were going 8-3.

But seriously, who cares?  You were wrong last year.  I was right.  It happens.  Just stop trying to make it like I was hating Press only.  I was concerned that Doug was relinquishing his duties to an inferior coach.  And it's come to fruition that is exactly what happened.

Doug is going to be fired.  And it's because he didn't want to continue to run the offense and he relinquished his responsibilities to an OC that has no clue how to run an offense.  Whatever type of accusations you want to throw my way, I know, and you know that I'm right.  

You know how I know this?  Because Doug and Press are about to be fired.

Lo and Behod, I was right.

Lol, you care deeply. It's why you keep trying to make your wrong takes be correct, even if you have to revise history to make them so.

Go back to last year's game threads.  Go back to last year's discussions.  

I was always concerned that Doug wasn't calling the plays and running the offense.  I was critical of Press because he's not worthy of being an OC, I wanted Doug to run the offense....  I mean, how hard is that to find.  I honestly don't know what you are trying to argue about...

Can we just let it go?  You realize most great offenses have the HC running the offense, right??  Why is it that Doug decided to just stop running the offense after 1 season?  It's whatever you want to believe.  But I honestly think you are wrong on this one, my friend.

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Lol, you care deeply. It's why you keep trying to make your wrong takes be correct, even if you have to revise history to make them so.

Go back to last year's game threads.  Go back to last year's discussions.  

I was always concerned that Doug wasn't calling the plays and running the offense.  I was critical of Press because he's not worthy of being an OC, I wanted Doug to run the offense....  I mean, how hard is that to find.  I honestly don't know what you are trying to argue about...

Can we just let it go?  You realize most great offenses have the HC running the offense, right??  Why is it that Doug decided to just stop running the offense after 1 season?  It's whatever you want to believe.  But I honestly think you are wrong on this one, my friend.

It's ok for you to be wrong. Why do you continue to Press the point if it's just water under the bridge? It's like you're hyper-fixated again.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato