It's hard to coach when you have a crappy roster.

In a crucial situation late in a game, the opposing team's superstar WR, the most important guy for us to cover, is wide open, no one within 20 yards of him?  This problem goes way beyond talent level.  It's the coaching.  These guys are not properly prepared.  Any crappy roster, with decent coaching, would play better than that.  It's the coaches- either the scheme or the teaching of the scheme.

So it can't possibly be guys who can't recognize their responsibility on the field? Who had Adams on that play and why did he leave him? Why didn't anyone pick up Wilson on the first TD or Adams on the long one? I don't like this scheme, but I seriously doubt that it doesn't account for every player on the offense.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

In a crucial situation late in a game, the opposing team's superstar WR, the most important guy for us to cover, is wide open, no one within 20 yards of him?  This problem goes way beyond talent level.  It's the coaching.  These guys are not properly prepared.  Any crappy roster, with decent coaching, would play better than that.  It's the coaches- either the scheme or the teaching of the scheme.

So it can't possibly be guys who can't recognize their responsibility on the field? Who had Adams on that play and why did he leave him? Why didn't anyone pick up Wilson on the first TD or Adams on the long one? I don't like this scheme, but I seriously doubt that it doesn't account for every player on the offense.

Yeah, that was blown coverage. Was it Jarrian Jones?

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So it can't possibly be guys who can't recognize their responsibility on the field? Who had Adams on that play and why did he leave him? Why didn't anyone pick up Wilson on the first TD or Adams on the long one? I don't like this scheme, but I seriously doubt that it doesn't account for every player on the offense.

Yeah, that was blown coverage. Was it Jarrian Jones?

I don't know, there wasn't anyone in the picture to tell.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Yeah, that was blown coverage. Was it Jarrian Jones?

I don't know, there wasn't anyone in the picture to tell.

It was either Jones, or Lloyd (likely both imo). One of them busted the assignment though for sure. Jones looks like he's playing Zone Coverage and Lloyd just looks a little lost in the sauce on this play.
https://twitter.com/ClutchPoints/status/...5598903320

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In a crucial situation late in a game, the opposing team's superstar WR, the most important guy for us to cover, is wide open, no one within 20 yards of him?  This problem goes way beyond talent level.  It's the coaching.  These guys are not properly prepared.  Any crappy roster, with decent coaching, would play better than that.  It's the coaches- either the scheme or the teaching of the scheme.

So it can't possibly be guys who can't recognize their responsibility on the field? Who had Adams on that play and why did he leave him? Why didn't anyone pick up Wilson on the first TD or Adams on the long one? I don't like this scheme, but I seriously doubt that it doesn't account for every player on the offense.

Yes.  It's guys who can't recognize their responsibility on the field.  It's professional players who can't do what any college level player could probably do: know what their responsibility is on the field.  That problem is on the coaches.
You can't tell me that we need smarter players or better players, because this is so fundamental that almost any decent player could be taught how to play better than that in that situation.

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So it can't possibly be guys who can't recognize their responsibility on the field? Who had Adams on that play and why did he leave him? Why didn't anyone pick up Wilson on the first TD or Adams on the long one? I don't like this scheme, but I seriously doubt that it doesn't account for every player on the offense.

Yes.  It's guys who can't recognize their responsibility on the field.  It's professional players who can't do what any college level player could probably do: know what their responsibility is on the field.  That problem is on the coaches.
You can't tell me that we need smarter players or better players, because this is so fundamental that almost any decent player could be taught how to play better than that in that situation.

You've made the point for me it seems.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

just think it will be the same thing in 2025 when  we keep everyone.

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Yes.  It's guys who can't recognize their responsibility on the field.  It's professional players who can't do what any college level player could probably do: know what their responsibility is on the field.  That problem is on the coaches.
You can't tell me that we need smarter players or better players, because this is so fundamental that almost any decent player could be taught how to play better than that in that situation.

You've made the point for me it seems.

If any college level player can learn and remember his coverage responsibilities, and yet our professional level players cannot seem to do it, it is obviously a problem of coaching.  Otherwise, you are saying we have a bunch of really stupid players.  And I don't believe that.

Yes, we need more and better talent back there.  But the players back there now have had success in other places and with other coaches.  And all of a sudden they fail here?  I'm not defending Trent Baalke.  We need a new GM.  But you cannot excuse the coaching.  Based on the results of the season, the coaches have to have some responsibility.

Do you think this team is well-coached?  Do you think we should keep this coaching staff?

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You've made the point for me it seems.

If any college level player can learn and remember his coverage responsibilities, and yet our professional level players cannot seem to do it, it is obviously a problem of coaching.  Otherwise, you are saying we have a bunch of really stupid players.  And I don't believe that.

And I can't believe you think that these players you think are so smart need a coach to hand hold them through their on field responsibilities in their 14th game. You're also assuming that college schemes are as complex as the pro ones, which they clearly aren't. You also seem to think that the guy left Atlanta and moved here and suddenly he doesn't know how to coach the scheme he did fine with last year. The coach has a track record of being pretty good while the roster has a track record of being the Jaguars. I know where my money lies on the source of the problem.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Stop arguing about if it's the players or the coaching. It's so clear that it's both.

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If any college level player can learn and remember his coverage responsibilities, and yet our professional level players cannot seem to do it, it is obviously a problem of coaching.  Otherwise, you are saying we have a bunch of really stupid players.  And I don't believe that.

And I can't believe you think that these players you think are so smart need a coach to hand hold them through their on field responsibilities in their 14th game. You're also assuming that college schemes are as complex as the pro ones, which they clearly aren't. You also seem to think that the guy left Atlanta and moved here and suddenly he doesn't know how to coach the scheme he did fine with last year. The coach has a track record of being pretty good while the roster has a track record of being the Jaguars. I know where my money lies on the source of the problem.

Do you think this team is well-coached?  Do you think we should keep this coaching staff?  

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Lol. 120 of it was linebacker coverage. What on Earth is that about...

Might be the most overthought bit of coaching ever. Why in the poop would you put an LB on A. A. Ron's favorite WR target?

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https://x.com/RichCimini/status/1868412356612460654

"Davante Adams had 135 Rec yds in the final 4 minutes of regulation, the most by any player in a game this century, per ESPN Research."

LOL

....and who DIDN'T see it coming?

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Lloyd was also maned up with Garrett one on one a few times, its wasn't just the few times with Adams.

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Lol. 120 of it was linebacker coverage. What on Earth is that about...

So you put that on the LB?  You always say its the players not the coaching

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And I can't believe you think that these players you think are so smart need a coach to hand hold them through their on field responsibilities in their 14th game. You're also assuming that college schemes are as complex as the pro ones, which they clearly aren't. You also seem to think that the guy left Atlanta and moved here and suddenly he doesn't know how to coach the scheme he did fine with last year. The coach has a track record of being pretty good while the roster has a track record of being the Jaguars. I know where my money lies on the source of the problem.

Do you think this team is well-coached?  Do you think we should keep this coaching staff?  

I think Belichick could be coaching this defense and not get much more out of it. The players are a reflection of the GM and the GM is trash because he didn't get the missing pieces needed for the new scheme. Again, do you think Nielsen hasn't told those guys their responsibilities in the scheme? I find that unlikely because the guy wants to keep his job (well, maybe not here at Dumpster Fire HQ, but somewhere else for sure). Because bad players hurt good coaches more than bad coaches hurt good players. Talent can overcome poor scheme, but scheme can't overcome trash talent.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

198 dropped on the secondary’s dome. Don’t go to blaming linebackers.

The game-deciding play involved a DB and an LB failing to account for the best guy on the field in a breakdown of zone coverage. Everybody fell for the bait. You shouldn't be making that mistake in week 15, even if the scheme is new.

nobody is above blame in that situation. Coaches, players, stadium announcers, nobody.

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Lloyd was also maned up with Garrett one on one a few times, its wasn't just the few times with Adams.

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Lol. 120 of it was linebacker coverage. What on Earth is that about...

So you put that on the LB?  You always say its the players not the coaching

Gosh no, I put it on the fact that we had schemed up linebackers on the other team's #1 receiver and the coverage help didn't know what he was doing. No one should expect Lloyd and Foye to cover Davante [BLEEP] Adams down the field, it's an absurdity.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

In a crucial situation late in a game, the opposing team's superstar WR, the most important guy for us to cover, is wide open, no one within 20 yards of him?  This problem goes way beyond talent level.  It's the coaching.  These guys are not properly prepared.  Any crappy roster, with decent coaching, would play better than that.  It's the coaches- either the scheme or the teaching of the scheme.

So it can't possibly be guys who can't recognize their responsibility on the field? Who had Adams on that play and why did he leave him? Why didn't anyone pick up Wilson on the first TD or Adams on the long one? I don't like this scheme, but I seriously doubt that it doesn't account for every player on the offense.

if it's a zone call, and that was Lloyd's zone, you can see him get distracted by a crosser heading the opposite direction. Unless the coaches or players come out and specifically call out the failure, we're left to speculate, but either the DB wasn't supposed to hand off the coverage, or Lloyd fell for the ruse.

It's not only a scheme/coaching issue, there is a breakdown in the communication on the field. Everyone playing for themselves, not working as a unit. THAT is how a play like that happens, and it might be the only way it does.

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Lloyd was also maned up with Garrett one on one a few times, its wasn't just the few times with Adams.

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So you put that on the LB?  You always say its the players not the coaching

Gosh no, I put it on the fact that we had schemed up linebackers on the other team's #1 receiver and the coverage help didn't know what he was doing. No one should expect Lloyd and Foye to cover Davante [BLEEP] Adams down the field, it's an absurdity.

Now you're making my point for me.

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They are talking about it on 1010XL to start a drive in the 3rd Allen and Walker were both on the sidelines lol. I'm sure sure Armstead was on the edge as well.

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They are talking about it on 1010XL to start a drive in the 3rd Allen and Walker were both on the sidelines lol.  I'm sure sure Armstead was on the edge as well.

Yea I noticed that yesterday while at the game. The Jets were walking down the field then as Rodgers had zero pressure. Everyone around me were thinking they were nut jobs coaching. We seem to pull them out at the worst times.

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