Something to understand about some of the 'one-score games' is that the opposing coaches don't care if they win by 1 score or 2.  If the opposing coaches team is up by 2 scores with time ticking down in the 4th, the right call is to play a very conservative/safe defense taking away the downfield plays so long as the offense is chewing up clock to get down the field for the 1st of the 2 scores.  The blitzing stops, the edge pass rush is much more concerned with pocket contain, and while the offense is chewing up 10 yards at a time that's fine so long as at the ball ends up with the offense to burn out the game clock.

If the opposing offense goes into victory formation at the end of the game it doesn't matter how 'close' the score is.

But, for example, that isn't what happened in either of the jags/tinhorn games this year. it didn't happen against Miami, Cleveland, the vikings or packers, and it didn't happen in the jests game last week. All of those games were close one score games right up until the end. Yeah, the were dog [BLEEP] in the bills, loins, and bares games, but the rest of the time, even with this trash team, they are playing hard competitive football against teams that are just a bit better. Close doesn't count on the schedule, but it matters greatly in organizational direction.

I think if you're a rebuilding team, yes.

But not when you should be a division winner and the owner says this is the most talented team they've ever had.

This team has gotten worse the last 2 years. The defense has fallen off a cliff and the offense is stale. They look better recently because they are playing the worst teams in the NFL.

It's time to completely move on.

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But, for example, that isn't what happened in either of the jags/tinhorn games this year. it didn't happen against Miami, Cleveland, the vikings or packers, and it didn't happen in the jests game last week. All of those games were close one score games right up until the end. Yeah, the were dog [BLEEP] in the bills, loins, and bares games, but the rest of the time, even with this trash team, they are playing hard competitive football against teams that are just a bit better. Close doesn't count on the schedule, but it matters greatly in organizational direction.

I think if you're a rebuilding team, yes.

But not when you should be a division winner and the owner says this is the most talented team they've ever had.

This team has gotten worse the last 2 years. The defense has fallen off a cliff and the offense is stale. They look better recently because they are playing the worst teams in the NFL.

It's time to completely move on.

Hard to argue against this as well. That's a fact. Khan did go out earlier in the year and plainly state this. This is why, again, trying to be fair to both sides of the coin with practical sense. You either, keep both and demand significant changes amongst the coaching staff and personnel department, or, you hire an EVP with complete control and final say over both departments to oversee the two of them and go from there in 2025 and beyond. 

With all of that said, I still favor the other side of the coin. I don't trust Baalke's approach to building a football team, it seems that he has it backwards in my opinion, and, I don't trust Pederson's judgement and abilities in identifying and hiring the right defensive minded coach to clearly mask his overwhelmingly glaring weakness as a coach in general. 

He's stale on offense. We can argue play call this, play call that, when you look back on the talent he had with the Eagles, outside of that one year where he had a great run with Foles, he's been an average coach that hovers around .500. He's turned into a modern day Brian Billick for me personally. Caught lightning once and he's been chasing that thunder ever since. I just don't see him repeating that same type of season here in Jacksonville.

And, I get it. This franchise went through the last 24 years with 2 random AFC Championship game appearances and a total of 4 combined play off runs. It's been tough. Really tough. We're essentially stuck as a fanbase, because, we went from an average coach like Jack Del Rio, who could do enough to give you some hope, we let him fester around a little too long and paid the price for it, and then, we got it wrong with Mularkey and Bradley, caught a brief moment of hope with Coughlin/Marrone and then we botched it with Meyer and caught yet another brief moment of hope with Pederson.

I get it. For me, it boils down to the coaching candidates. If you feel, which I do, that, you can get a little bit more out of this offense and Lawrence with a fresher take on today's NFL offense, such as from a coach like Ben Johnson, Joe Brady or Kellen Moore? You take that shot now while you can and then hopefully those guys can figure out the defense with a good enough hiring cycle and staff put in place. 

This defense has been atrocious at times, but, even going back to last year and since the day Pederson was hired. My expectations were ALWAYS higher for this offense and I expected them to step up, outshine and take control of football games when the defense couldn't do it. Because that's what Pederson's background is. That's not been the case enough for me to continue down this path with him personally.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Not to defend the defense, but the fact the Jaguars rank 31st in Time of Possession doesn't do the defense any favors.  If you combine that with lack of depth on the defensive line, it shouldn't be a surprise that the Jaguars are at the very bottom of the list in terms of forcing turnovers.

And since I'm already stating-it-up right now, we can add the Jaguars/Trevor Lawrence 'can only win if the defense gets a turnover record' of 18-1 (at some point in the season) and statistically we start to approach the Jaguars current record.

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Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

Not to defend the defense, but the fact the Jaguars rank 31st in Time of Possession doesn't do the defense any favors.  If you combine that with lack of depth on the defensive line, it shouldn't be a surprise that the Jaguars are at the very bottom of the list in terms of forcing turnovers.

And since I'm already stating-it-up right now, we can add the Jaguars/Trevor Lawrence 'can only win if the defense gets a turnover record' of 18-1 (at some point in the season) and statistically we start to approach the Jaguars current record.

And the TOP issue comes down to the inability run the ball effectively. That one critical flaw destroys literally everything else this team tries to do. It's a foundational fissure that sinks the whole house.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

My Doug Pederson Argument to Mr Khan:

Let us not forget that Dave Caldwell got 8 years and Gus Bradley full four years of the most stank product on the field before Khan made a change.   Doug is riding high on 2 back to back winning seasons (an eternity in Jacksonville) along with a playoff win.  Doug Can Point out that they lost a lot of games in a one score manner.  Yes the offense had it's problems. For many reasons some of the players who came back in 2024 did not perform at their same level in previous years.  ETN has not been as good, Kirk has been hurt, Ingram was hurt for some of this year, Cam Robinson under-performed and got traded, the offensive line due to circumstances have been a patchwork unit, Due to injury the only real WR threat on the field currently is BJT.  The QB was hurt during the season but lets be honest he wan't playing good before the injury.  Despite all that, the offense has played well enough to keep us in games this year. 
  The real issue was the defense I would say to Mr Khan.  They are the last ranked unit for a reason. They played so bad while allowing some teams score on every possession it made Doug change his whole offensive game plan.  It's hard to establish any offense when the defense lets the offense stay on the field for 40 mins a game. I would argue that the offense could not run their game plan in many games due to how bad the defense played.

My Trent Baalke argument:

Hey Khan, those smart guys over at the Duval Pride message board are saying how Lawrence is the franchise and I drafted him.  BJT right now is looking like a stud and star WR and I drafted him.  Walker Little has been playing well at the LT spot and again I drafted him, I have been a part of the winning seasons and playoff win recently. We just gave some of our young talent new contracts. The fans are so happy they are wearing clown mask in the stands.  Overall this team has been competitive the last few years.  This season the Jaguars lost a handful of games by one score. I would argue this is an off year and field a detail plan on how to fix the holes on the team.  The first step is firing Neilson. Overall Baalke has been miles better than Either Dave Caldwell and Gene Smith before him.

I am not saying I want them to stay but Khan may decide to ride it out again.

Sup Dan

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The devils advocate is that he drafted- BTJ, Walker, TLAW, Bigsby, Strange, Campbell, Miller, Little, Anton, Little

That alone is probably enough for Shad to decide he doesn't want to clear his January schedule to dedicate to the Jags GM search. This has been reported multiple times by local JAX media this is the case. Baalke stays, Dougy P, who knows.

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The devils advocate is that he drafted- BTJ, Walker, TLAW, Bigsby, Strange, Campbell, Miller, Little, Anton, Little

That alone is probably enough for Shad to  decide he doesn't want to clear his January schedule to dedicate to the Jags GM search. This has been reported speculated multiple times by local JAX media this is the case. Baalke stays, Dougy P, who knows.

Are there really any credible reports out there? 

It's possible there's something I haven't seen because I tune out a bit when the team loses this many games, but all I've seen is claims of inside sources and speculation. 

Both of which we've seen turn out to be wrong many times while following this team's coverage. 

I've pointed out the Baalke upsides for years to try to keep the hate honest a bit 'round here.
But - I really think this many losses over the past two seasons after Khan basically mandated his staff and players to win this year winds up meaning: New GM + New HC


Also, this: 
https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/repo...jfgn6qfkme

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The devils advocate is that he drafted- BTJ, Walker, TLAW, Bigsby, Strange, Campbell, Miller, Little, Anton, Little

That alone is probably enough for Shad to  decide he doesn't want to clear his January schedule to dedicate to the Jags GM search. This has been reported multiple times by local JAX media this is the case. Baalke stays, Dougy P, who knows.

Other than BTJ, none of those players have really outperformed their draft status.  Given the number of high draft picks that Baalke has had to work with, and the exorbitant amount of $$$ spent on free agents - objectively, Baalke is probably the worst GM in the NFL right now.  Well - maybe the Giants organization is worse, but that's about it.  Even the Browns have had a higher winning percentage than the Jags.  The bar is set pretty darn low if Khan thinks that Baalke deserves another year.

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The devils advocate is that he drafted- BTJ, Walker, TLAW, Bigsby, Strange, Campbell, Miller, Little, Anton, Little

That alone is probably enough for Shad to  decide he doesn't want to clear his January schedule to dedicate to the Jags GM search. This has been reported multiple times by local JAX media this is the case. Baalke stays, Dougy P, who knows.

Other than BTJ, none of those players have really outperformed their draft status.  Given the number of high draft picks that Baalke has had to work with, and the exorbitant amount of $$$ spent on free agents - objectively, Baalke is probably the worst GM in the NFL right now.  Well - maybe the Giants organization is worse, but that's about it.  Even the Browns have had a higher winning percentage than the Jags.  The bar is set pretty darn low if Khan thinks that Baalke deserves another year.

I think it was the Philly game, the "Commanders" were starting 3 Defensive rookies.  3!!!!  And they won.  (Not to mention their rookie QB)

When was the last time in your life you ever heard of a jaguar team running with 3 starting rookies and being a playoff team?  This whole thing needs to be blown out of the St. Johns river.

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I watch this offense, and I ask myself, who designed that play? Who is teaching them to execute that play? Who drafted those players? And then on defense I see breakdown after breakdown from veteran players- blown coverages, guys lined up offsides. This defense can be completely relied on to give up a touchdown with the game on the line. FIFTEEN GAMES into the season and no one on defense seems to know what they're doing. I see all this and I ask myself, is it the players? Is it the coaches?

Every year, I can look at this team and see one thing they could do that would bring a huge improvement, and probably a winning team. But this year? It's everything. There's no one single thing we can point to that is the cause of this.

I've never seen a team start a season with such high hopes and end a season in need of a complete tear-down and rebuild. We can't replace our owner. That's not going to happen. But I see other teams that have eternal success, and the one constant is that particular owner. I know Shad Khan and Tony Khan are smart people, and I'm not going to make snarky comments about them caring more about wrestling, or anything like that. But they have got to buckle down and figure this thing out. It's up to them to fix this.

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I watch this offense, and I ask myself, who designed that play?  Who is teaching them to execute that play?  Who drafted those players?  And then on defense I see breakdown after breakdown from veteran players- blown coverages, guys lined up offsides.  This defense can be completely relied on to give up a touchdown with the game on the line.  FIFTEEN GAMES into the season and no one on defense seems to know what they're doing.  I see all this and I ask myself, is it the players?  Is it the coaches? 

Every year, I can look at this team and see one thing they could do that would bring a huge improvement, and probably a winning team.  But this year?  It's everything.  There's no one single thing we can point to that is the cause of this.

I've never seen a team start a season with such high hopes and end a season in need of a complete tear-down and rebuild.  We can't replace our owner.  That's not going to happen.  But I see other teams that have eternal success, and the one constant is that particular owner.  I know Shad Khan and Tony Khan are smart people, and I'm not going to make snarky comments about them caring more about wrestling, or anything like that.  But they have got to buckle down and figure this thing out.  It's up to them to fix this.

What a stupid move to hire this new dc. He’s not up for the job. He’s way in over his head. Offensive coordinator super lack luster too. Balkie is either average or below and that’s being generous.

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I watch this offense, and I ask myself, who designed that play?  Who is teaching them to execute that play?  Who drafted those players?  And then on defense I see breakdown after breakdown from veteran players- blown coverages, guys lined up offsides.  This defense can be completely relied on to give up a touchdown with the game on the line.  FIFTEEN GAMES into the season and no one on defense seems to know what they're doing.  I see all this and I ask myself, is it the players?  Is it the coaches? 

Every year, I can look at this team and see one thing they could do that would bring a huge improvement, and probably a winning team.  But this year?  It's everything.  There's no one single thing we can point to that is the cause of this.

I've never seen a team start a season with such high hopes and end a season in need of a complete tear-down and rebuild.  We can't replace our owner.  That's not going to happen.  But I see other teams that have eternal success, and the one constant is that particular owner.  I know Shad Khan and Tony Khan are smart people, and I'm not going to make snarky comments about them caring more about wrestling, or anything like that.  But they have got to buckle down and figure this thing out.  It's up to them to fix this.

What a stupid move to hire this new dc. He’s not up for the job. He’s way in over his head. Offensive coordinator super lack luster too. Balkie is either average or below and that’s being generous.

He had a great defense last year in Atlanta.  That's what's so baffling about this.  He seemed like a perfect hire.  

And the offense?  It's a complete failure.  That is so hard to understand.  We call a running play and THREE defenders get into the backfield before the runner has a chance.  THREE.  How does that happen?  Are our players that bad?  Is the play poorly designed?  Are the coaches incompetent?  

We try a WR screen, and the result is a 5-yard loss.  Why?  Why did we call that play?  How was that play designed?  How was it supposed to be executed?  Why do we always have one guy miss his block?  Why do we have a guy blocking before the receiver catches the ball?  That's a penalty.  Why?  Why?  Why?  

When you have a total meltdown like we have had this season, it is so hard to understand what happened.

There is only one person who can fix this, and that is Shad Khan.  He and Tony have to buckle down, educate themselves about running an NFL franchise, and get better at doing this.  They have to realize, they are a failure.  They have to harness their ambition, and their self-image, and do better at this.

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What a stupid move to hire this new dc. He’s not up for the job. He’s way in over his head. Offensive coordinator super lack luster too. Balkie is either average or below and that’s being generous.

He had a great defense last year in Atlanta.  That's what's so baffling about this.  He seemed like a perfect hire.  

And the offense?  It's a complete failure.  That is so hard to understand.  We call a running play and THREE defenders get into the backfield before the runner has a chance.  THREE.  How does that happen?  Are our players that bad?  Is the play poorly designed?  Are the coaches incompetent?  

We try a WR screen, and the result is a 5-yard loss.  Why?  Why did we call that play?  How was that play designed?  How was it supposed to be executed?  Why do we always have one guy miss his block?  Why do we have a guy blocking before the receiver catches the ball?  That's a penalty.  Why?  Why?  Why?  

When you have a total meltdown like we have had this season, it is so hard to understand what happened.

There is only one person who can fix this, and that is Shad Khan.  He and Tony have to buckle down, educate themselves about running an NFL franchise, and get better at doing this.  They have to realize, they are a failure.  They have to harness their ambition, and their self-image, and do better at this.

At this point it's going to come down to the Khan family swallowing their pride and hiring someone that can do the job for them. They need an EVP. They were on the right track with Tom Coughlin. I know it may have soured quite a few people in that building 7 years ago, however, it did inject a change in the beginning and it may have made a difference.

They really do need to consider hiring a good football mind to oversee this franchise for them. To your point though, "Is it the coaches or the players?". It's a combination of both at this point. We're not getting things done from both perspectives with this franchise.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

He had a great defense last year in Atlanta.  That's what's so baffling about this.  He seemed like a perfect hire.  

And the offense?  It's a complete failure.  That is so hard to understand.  We call a running play and THREE defenders get into the backfield before the runner has a chance.  THREE.  How does that happen?  Are our players that bad?  Is the play poorly designed?  Are the coaches incompetent?  

We try a WR screen, and the result is a 5-yard loss.  Why?  Why did we call that play?  How was that play designed?  How was it supposed to be executed?  Why do we always have one guy miss his block?  Why do we have a guy blocking before the receiver catches the ball?  That's a penalty.  Why?  Why?  Why?  

When you have a total meltdown like we have had this season, it is so hard to understand what happened.

There is only one person who can fix this, and that is Shad Khan.  He and Tony have to buckle down, educate themselves about running an NFL franchise, and get better at doing this.  They have to realize, they are a failure.  They have to harness their ambition, and their self-image, and do better at this.

At this point it's going to come down to the Khan family swallowing their pride and hiring someone that can do the job for them. They need an EVP. They were on the right track with Tom Coughlin. I know it may have soured quite a few people in that building 7 years ago, however, it did inject a change in the beginning and it may have made a difference.

They really do need to consider hiring a good football mind to oversee this franchise for them. To your point though, "Is it the coaches or the players?". It's a combination of both at this point. We're not getting things done from both perspectives with this franchise.

Hiring TC wasn't a bad concept, they just hired the wrong guy. 

The league and all of its contemporary dynamics had long passed him by and it was just never going to work out.

It was easy for everyone to buy in because of what he means to this city and the franchise, but he wasn't the right hire. 

The Khans have tried several approaches - and to their credit the careful variations of the hires were a noble effort.
They have just repeatedly hired the wrong guys. Not for lack of trying even if they held on to one regime way too long. My guess is they've learned from that by now. Fingers crossed on that. 

I think an " EVP / GM / HC " traditional hierarchy would be a welcome change here. 
No convolution of responsibility and accountability. 

I'd be good with that.

The BIGGEST element is having those three guys like each others' football philosophy and genuinely trust one another to get it right. That's the lighting in a bottle that's so hard to catch. And there's no guarantee it doesn't fizzle out in a few years. 

I'd also be fine with the Khans (along with the requisite help of a search committee like always) just hiring a quality GM who then leads their search for a quality HC. 

So, the question becomes "would an EVP insure they hire a better GM and who would that EVP be?"

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At this point it's going to come down to the Khan family swallowing their pride and hiring someone that can do the job for them. They need an EVP. They were on the right track with Tom Coughlin. I know it may have soured quite a few people in that building 7 years ago, however, it did inject a change in the beginning and it may have made a difference.

They really do need to consider hiring a good football mind to oversee this franchise for them. To your point though, "Is it the coaches or the players?". It's a combination of both at this point. We're not getting things done from both perspectives with this franchise.

Hiring TC wasn't a bad concept, they just hired the wrong guy. 

The league and all of its contemporary dynamics had long passed him by and it was just never going to work out.

It was easy for everyone to buy in because of what he means to this city and the franchise, but he wasn't the right hire. 

The Khans have tried several approaches - and to their credit the careful variations of the hires were a noble effort.
They have just repeatedly hired the wrong guys. Not for lack of trying even if they held on to one regime way too long. My guess is they've learned from that by now. Fingers crossed on that. 

I think an " EVP / GM / HC " traditional hierarchy would be a welcome change here. 
No convolution of responsibility and accountability. 

I'd be good with that.

The BIGGEST element is having those three guys like each others' football philosophy and genuinely trust one another to get it right. That's the lighting in a bottle that's so hard to catch. And there's no guarantee it doesn't fizzle out in a few years. 

I'd also be fine with the Khans (along with the requisite help of a search committee like always) just hiring a quality GM who then leads their search for a quality HC. 

So, the question becomes "would an EVP insure they hire a better GM and who would that EVP be?"

If we have an EVP and he hires both the GM and the HC, we'd still be stuck with this question, is the problem with the coaches or the players?  And then would Khan have to fire the EVP?  It would be much simpler to have a search firm help Khan hire a GM, and have the GM hire the HC.  That way, the GM is entirely responsible for the results.  And if we suck again, we know whom to blame.  

Having the GM hire the HC would also ensure that the two of them are on the same page in terms of how to build the team.  

I think an EVP would be a distraction.  What would he do after he hires the GM and HC?  Work on Khan's yacht?

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Hiring TC wasn't a bad concept, they just hired the wrong guy. 

The league and all of its contemporary dynamics had long passed him by and it was just never going to work out.

It was easy for everyone to buy in because of what he means to this city and the franchise, but he wasn't the right hire. 

The Khans have tried several approaches - and to their credit the careful variations of the hires were a noble effort.
They have just repeatedly hired the wrong guys. Not for lack of trying even if they held on to one regime way too long. My guess is they've learned from that by now. Fingers crossed on that. 

I think an " EVP / GM / HC " traditional hierarchy would be a welcome change here. 
No convolution of responsibility and accountability. 

I'd be good with that.

The BIGGEST element is having those three guys like each others' football philosophy and genuinely trust one another to get it right. That's the lighting in a bottle that's so hard to catch. And there's no guarantee it doesn't fizzle out in a few years. 

I'd also be fine with the Khans (along with the requisite help of a search committee like always) just hiring a quality GM who then leads their search for a quality HC. 

So, the question becomes "would an EVP insure they hire a better GM and who would that EVP be?"

If we have an EVP and he hires both the GM and the HC, we'd still be stuck with this question, is the problem with the coaches or the players?  And then would Khan have to fire the EVP?  It would be much simpler to have a search firm help Khan hire a GM, and have the GM hire the HC.  That way, the GM is entirely responsible for the results.  And if we suck again, we know whom to blame.  

Having the GM hire the HC would also ensure that the two of them are on the same page in terms of how to build the team.  

I think an EVP would be a distraction.  What would he do after he hires the GM and HC?  Work on Khan's yacht?

First of all - The EVP wouldn't hire the coach - the GM would do that with the EVP approving his decision. 

An EVP isn't going to hire a GM that would seek out a coach he doesn't like in the first place so that isn't an issue. 

The benefit of the EVP is that he gets to be the bad guy instead of the owner.
He gets to hold the GM's feet to the fire when his picks or acquisitions don't fit the scheme or turn out lacking in talent or skill. 
He gets to steer that GM to hold the coach's feet to the fire when he gets pencil whipped on Sunday with a lousy gameplan. 
He is also responsible for managing the relationship and cooperation between the coach and GM in terms of personnel. 
The age-old GM/HC disagreement issues on whom to draft or acquire in free agency will have a mediator with authority over them both, and it won't be an owner who is more fan than football analyst. It will be a guy with years and years of executive experience that has seen good and bad personnel decisions laid bare to learn from. 

That said - I'm good either way. 
The right GM can manage this stuff without an EVP. But a really good EVP keeps the owner out of the roles of decision-maker, mediator, and enforcer.  Since most of our fanbase don't trust our ownership, you'll see lots of desire for that position in Jax.

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Hiring TC wasn't a bad concept, they just hired the wrong guy. 

The league and all of its contemporary dynamics had long passed him by and it was just never going to work out.

It was easy for everyone to buy in because of what he means to this city and the franchise, but he wasn't the right hire. 

The Khans have tried several approaches - and to their credit the careful variations of the hires were a noble effort.
They have just repeatedly hired the wrong guys. Not for lack of trying even if they held on to one regime way too long. My guess is they've learned from that by now. Fingers crossed on that. 

I think an " EVP / GM / HC " traditional hierarchy would be a welcome change here. 
No convolution of responsibility and accountability. 

I'd be good with that.

The BIGGEST element is having those three guys like each others' football philosophy and genuinely trust one another to get it right. That's the lighting in a bottle that's so hard to catch. And there's no guarantee it doesn't fizzle out in a few years. 

I'd also be fine with the Khans (along with the requisite help of a search committee like always) just hiring a quality GM who then leads their search for a quality HC. 

So, the question becomes "would an EVP insure they hire a better GM and who would that EVP be?"

If we have an EVP and he hires both the GM and the HC, we'd still be stuck with this question, is the problem with the coaches or the players?  And then would Khan have to fire the EVP?  It would be much simpler to have a search firm help Khan hire a GM, and have the GM hire the HC.  That way, the GM is entirely responsible for the results.  And if we suck again, we know whom to blame.  

Having the GM hire the HC would also ensure that the two of them are on the same page in terms of how to build the team.  

I think an EVP would be a distraction.  What would he do after he hires the GM and HC?  Work on Khan's yacht?

The way I see is it Khan clearly has no ability to evaluate the performance of the team or the people he's put in charge of it. He's shown through the years that he only accepts the reality of the situation when there is so much empirical evidence that even a blind man could see it. That's why people think we need an EVP. The EVP would do those things well, in theory, and it really shouldn't be hard to find someone that can grade the job the personnel and scouting department do, because you don't have to have a crystal ball to do it, just the ability to understand what you're watching.

We know that Baalke has been awful because when a playoff level of talent has been on the team Doug has gotten wins out of it. When the talent has been lost (due to age, injury, or cap casualty) the performance has regressed.

When blue chip guys like BTJ have been bumbled into those talents have succeeded under the current regime.

I don't think Doug needs to go, but I think Khan needs someone in charge who isn't Baalke, and it has to be accepted that whoever he hires to be in that position is going to have their own thoughts on Doug and who should be coaching.

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My Doug Pederson Argument to Mr Khan:

Let us not forget that Dave Caldwell got 8 years and Gus Bradley full four years of the most stank product on the field before Khan made a change.   

Let's repeat stupidity. Giving Gus that extension was purely idiotic.  If I recall correctly, he was 1-13 in September, meaning most of us were already looking at Mock Drafts by October.

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Maybe someone needs to put together some analytics on the coaching and GM and send it to Tony Khan. He is the one most likely making the decision anyway, not Shad.

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But, for example, that isn't what happened in either of the jags/tinhorn games this year. it didn't happen against Miami, Cleveland, the vikings or packers, and it didn't happen in the jests game last week. All of those games were close one score games right up until the end. Yeah, the were dog [BLEEP] in the bills, loins, and bares games, but the rest of the time, even with this trash team, they are playing hard competitive football against teams that are just a bit better. Close doesn't count on the schedule, but it matters greatly in organizational direction.

I think if you're a rebuilding team, yes.

But not when you should be a division winner and the owner says this is the most talented team they've ever had.

This team has gotten worse the last 2 years. The defense has fallen off a cliff and the offense is stale. They look better recently because they are playing the worst teams in the NFL.

It's time to completely move on.

So much this.   Play a .500 or above team and there is nothing there.   Even with Trevor.

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Brandon Scherff is no longer that dude.   Next season I want him gone.