I hope this 2pm conference is stating that Trent is retiring.

I know it's a long shot but I'm hoping Trent joins Hamas and heads to Gaza to fight the IDF.   Perhaps we can pitch in for a hotel for Trent in New Orleans for Mardi Gras.

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well how about this then,anyone here have  a way to get a youtube video to Shad Khan,next time im alone at house,i'll make one to him personally. hes killing the fan base by himself Khan is by keeping balk. Tons of fans are not renewing thier tickets which means now he will still make his $ cause  opposing teams will come to watch their team against the laughing stock of nfl.

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snowwolf titans owner in madden.

note titans owner means im undeafted againest them. 

Meh, I kind of get what Shad is trying to do.  A football franchise is a business/corporation.  Shad isn't and doesn't strike me as a micro-manager such as Jerry Jones in Dallas (how has that worked out for them?).  He hires executives to run the franchise (HC/GM).

The head coach is responsible for the coordinators/coaches under him.  Doug failed in this aspect.  Had Doug fired both coordinators earlier in the season he might still have a job today.

The general manager is responsible for personnel including players, scouting staff, coaches (to some extent) as well as managing the salary cap.  Trent has done a mediocre job at best, but I wouldn't say is a complete failure.

I'm not saying that I agree with Shad's decision(s), I just understand where he is coming from.

Quite a few fans were complaining and saying that coaching was the issue throughout the season.  Well, a new HC along with his own staff including coordinators/assistant coaches is coming next season.  The salary cap is in decent shape and the team has some draft capital so hopefully the GM will make good decisions regarding the draft/free agency.

This team still has a lot of young players with plenty of talent.  A turnaround next season certainly isn't out of the question.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

I canceled my opt-in season ticket renewal today. I've been on the fence about it for the last couple of months and was just waiting to see what happened with the FO before making a decision. It's not so much that I'm astonished at Khan's inaction, which I am, but there's no sense in throwing good money after bad to trudge into the stadium on Sundays just to walk out disappointed a majority of the time. It was more of an ROI decision as it was as a protest move.

Also, I have to add, I resent the hell out of being put into such a situation. If STHs are laying out thousands of dollars per season, not to mention the money laid out by single event attendees, then you would expect the owner of the team to do everything he could to ensure the fans can at least be hopeful. But thanks to league profit sharing, he can be as lazy and reckless as he wants and still laugh all the way to the bank. It sucks. It really does.

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Meh, I kind of get what Shad is trying to do.  A football franchise is a business/corporation.  Shad isn't and doesn't strike me as a micro-manager such as Jerry Jones in Dallas (how has that worked out for them?).  He hires executives to run the franchise (HC/GM).

The head coach is responsible for the coordinators/coaches under him.  Doug failed in this aspect.  Had Doug fired both coordinators earlier in the season he might still have a job today.

The general manager is responsible for personnel including players, scouting staff, coaches (to some extent) as well as managing the salary cap.  Trent has done a mediocre job at best, but I wouldn't say is a complete failure.

I'm not saying that I agree with Shad's decision(s), I just understand where he is coming from.

Quite a few fans were complaining and saying that coaching was the issue throughout the season.  Well, a new HC along with his own staff including coordinators/assistant coaches is coming next season.  The salary cap is in decent shape and the team has some draft capital so hopefully the GM will make good decisions regarding the draft/free agency.

This team still has a lot of young players with plenty of talent.  A turnaround next season certainly isn't out of the question.

I think this was what the main discussion was behind the scenes as to who was most responsible for this season. Shad said that his and the GMs job is to give the HC what they want. By that logic Baalke gave him the players/type of players Doug apparently asked for after last season. It's a tough thing to judge as we don't know what those conversations were and who ultimately had the final say on those decisions.

The one thing I didn't agree with from the Baalke-Shad press conference was they seemed to push the idea that he and Baalke had built a good roster and it was Doug and his staff that failed. The coaching staff definitely had a hand in this seasons failures but it felt a bit like what went wrong was Dougs fault and what went well was due to Baalke. Like Gabe Davis being bad was the coaching but BTJ was a good draft pick. Just felt a bit like history is written by the victor.

My main worry moving forward is with Baalke having one year left on his deal, if we have another bad season and he gets moved on does the new GM want to pick their own HC? If we have a good year with a new HC will that be used to vindicate Baalke rather than the new HC?

I just feel we're making it a lot more complicated than it has to be.

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Meh, I kind of get what Shad is trying to do.  A football franchise is a business/corporation.  Shad isn't and doesn't strike me as a micro-manager such as Jerry Jones in Dallas (how has that worked out for them?).  He hires executives to run the franchise (HC/GM).

The head coach is responsible for the coordinators/coaches under him.  Doug failed in this aspect.  Had Doug fired both coordinators earlier in the season he might still have a job today.

The general manager is responsible for personnel including players, scouting staff, coaches (to some extent) as well as managing the salary cap.  Trent has done a mediocre job at best, but I wouldn't say is a complete failure.

I'm not saying that I agree with Shad's decision(s), I just understand where he is coming from.

Quite a few fans were complaining and saying that coaching was the issue throughout the season.  Well, a new HC along with his own staff including coordinators/assistant coaches is coming next season.  The salary cap is in decent shape and the team has some draft capital so hopefully the GM will make good decisions regarding the draft/free agency.

This team still has a lot of young players with plenty of talent.  A turnaround next season certainly isn't out of the question.

I think this was what the main discussion was behind the scenes as to who was most responsible for this season. Shad said that his and the GMs job is to give the HC what they want. By that logic Baalke gave him the players/type of players Doug apparently asked for after last season. It's a tough thing to judge as we don't know what those conversations were and who ultimately had the final say on those decisions.

The one thing I didn't agree with from the Baalke-Shad press conference was they seemed to push the idea that he and Baalke had built a good roster and it was Doug and his staff that failed. The coaching staff definitely had a hand in this seasons failures but it felt a bit like what went wrong was Dougs fault and what went well was due to Baalke. Like Gabe Davis being bad was the coaching but BTJ was a good draft pick. Just felt a bit like history is written by the victor.

My main worry moving forward is with Baalke having one year left on his deal, if we have another bad season and he gets moved on does the new GM want to pick their own HC? If we have a good year with a new HC will that be used to vindicate Baalke rather than the new HC?

I just feel we're making it a lot more complicated than it has to be.

This. 

Also puts us in a lose lose situation. If for example, the Jags go 9-8 next year, make a wild card, lose that wild card game. What you think happens to Baalke? Well, we know the answer he is EXTENDED. If the Jags suck again, go 5-12, well at that point there is no way you extend Trent and now you're bringing in a new GM who will undoubtedly want his own guys.

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Meh, I kind of get what Shad is trying to do.  A football franchise is a business/corporation.  Shad isn't and doesn't strike me as a micro-manager such as Jerry Jones in Dallas (how has that worked out for them?).  He hires executives to run the franchise (HC/GM).

The head coach is responsible for the coordinators/coaches under him.  Doug failed in this aspect.  Had Doug fired both coordinators earlier in the season he might still have a job today.

The general manager is responsible for personnel including players, scouting staff, coaches (to some extent) as well as managing the salary cap.  Trent has done a mediocre job at best, but I wouldn't say is a complete failure.

I'm not saying that I agree with Shad's decision(s), I just understand where he is coming from.

Quite a few fans were complaining and saying that coaching was the issue throughout the season.  Well, a new HC along with his own staff including coordinators/assistant coaches is coming next season.  The salary cap is in decent shape and the team has some draft capital so hopefully the GM will make good decisions regarding the draft/free agency.

This team still has a lot of young players with plenty of talent.  A turnaround next season certainly isn't out of the question.

I hate that statement, the sentiment posing as logic it attempts to portray, and [BLEEP] the people who cling to it. All of what I stated I see as the main problem: a delusional sense of understanding.

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I hope this 2pm conference is stating that Trent is retiring.

I know it's a long shot but I'm hoping Trent joins Hamas and heads to Gaza to fight the IDF.   Perhaps we can pitch in for a hotel for Trent in New Orleans for Mardi Gras.

Trent would defeat all of the IDF.....the guy is unkillable.

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Meh, I kind of get what Shad is trying to do.  A football franchise is a business/corporation.  Shad isn't and doesn't strike me as a micro-manager such as Jerry Jones in Dallas (how has that worked out for them?).  He hires executives to run the franchise (HC/GM).

The head coach is responsible for the coordinators/coaches under him.  Doug failed in this aspect.  Had Doug fired both coordinators earlier in the season he might still have a job today.

The general manager is responsible for personnel including players, scouting staff, coaches (to some extent) as well as managing the salary cap.  Trent has done a mediocre job at best, but I wouldn't say is a complete failure.

I'm not saying that I agree with Shad's decision(s), I just understand where he is coming from.

Quite a few fans were complaining and saying that coaching was the issue throughout the season.  Well, a new HC along with his own staff including coordinators/assistant coaches is coming next season.  The salary cap is in decent shape and the team has some draft capital so hopefully the GM will make good decisions regarding the draft/free agency.

This team still has a lot of young players with plenty of talent.  A turnaround next season certainly isn't out of the question.

Thanks for expressing the way I feel.  You saved me a lot of trouble.  

Shad Khan doesn't seem to feel that anything is broken on this team other than the coaching.  Personally, I feel like Baalke is a very average GM at best, but the coaching this year has been abysmal.  This roster should have done a lot better than 4-13.  In 2023, our defense was 20th in the league.  So we fired the defensive coordinator and hired a new one and now we're 31st in total defense and dead last in pass defense.  We moved a successful MLB out of that position for some reason.  There were total breakdowns in the secondary all season long.  And if we had the lead late in the 4th quarter, you could be sure the other team would score and win the game.  

Offensively, we replaced Luke Fortner at C, a move I thought would bring much more success, and yet we still can't reliably run for a first down on 3rd and 1.  And I saw so many plays on offense that were inexplicable.  Design, execution, play calling... a complete mystery why we called that play and how it could possibly work.  

The coaching staff needed to be replaced.  At least we are doing that.  I wish we would replace our GM, too.  I would have done that.  But I think I understand why Khan didn't do it.

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I canceled my opt-in season ticket renewal today. I've been on the fence about it for the last couple of months and was just waiting to see what happened with the FO before making a decision. It's not so much that I'm astonished at Khan's inaction, which I am, but there's no sense in throwing good money after bad to trudge into the stadium on Sundays just to walk out disappointed a majority of the time. It was more of an ROI decision as it was as a protest move.

Also, I have to add, I resent the hell out of being put into such a situation. If STHs are laying out thousands of dollars per season, not to mention the money laid out by single event attendees, then you would expect the owner of the team to do everything he could to ensure the fans can at least be hopeful. But thanks to league profit sharing, he can be as lazy and reckless as he wants and still laugh all the way to the bank. It sucks. It really does.

I hear you, it's exactly why I dropped season tickets in 2021. I just got tired of the dysfunction in this franchise. Of course, I was wondering if I made the right choice after the run in 22, but I figured I could still go see the games when I wanted, there's always tix for sale. It's a bad situation. I think Khan wants to win, I just don't think there's really that much motivation there so he's not "playing hungry" so to speak.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you. 
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Meh, I kind of get what Shad is trying to do.  A football franchise is a business/corporation.  Shad isn't and doesn't strike me as a micro-manager such as Jerry Jones in Dallas (how has that worked out for them?).  He hires executives to run the franchise (HC/GM).

The head coach is responsible for the coordinators/coaches under him.  Doug failed in this aspect.  Had Doug fired both coordinators earlier in the season he might still have a job today.

The general manager is responsible for personnel including players, scouting staff, coaches (to some extent) as well as managing the salary cap.  Trent has done a mediocre job at best, but I wouldn't say is a complete failure.

I'm not saying that I agree with Shad's decision(s), I just understand where he is coming from.

Quite a few fans were complaining and saying that coaching was the issue throughout the season.  Well, a new HC along with his own staff including coordinators/assistant coaches is coming next season.  The salary cap is in decent shape and the team has some draft capital so hopefully the GM will make good decisions regarding the draft/free agency.

This team still has a lot of young players with plenty of talent.  A turnaround next season certainly isn't out of the question.

I hate that statement, the sentiment posing as logic it attempts to portray, and [BLEEP] the people who cling to it. All of what I stated I see as the main problem: a delusional sense of understanding.

I don't think anyone really gives a [BLEEP] about what you think about that statement (I know that I don't).  Like it or not it's a true statement.  An owner acquires a football franchise to make money.  A wise owner hires people to run it for him and doesn't micro manage.  A smart owner hires the right people.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Shane McMahon could afford to buy the jags,I'm sure he knows a lot more about nfl football then Khan does.

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snowwolf titans owner in madden.

note titans owner means im undeafted againest them. 

Shan mcman could afford to buy the jags,I'm sure he knows a lot more about nfl football then Khan does.

Who the heck is Shan mcman?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I know it's a long shot but I'm hoping Trent joins Hamas and heads to Gaza to fight the IDF.   Perhaps we can pitch in for a hotel for Trent in New Orleans for Mardi Gras.

Trent would defeat all of the IDF.....the guy is unkillable.

Great Point.  He is already holding us hostage so he also has that experience as well.

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Shan mcman could afford to buy the jags,I'm sure he knows a lot more about nfl football then Khan does.

Who the heck is Shan mcman?

SHANE-O-MAC

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sorry spelled name wrong earleir,now its spelled right. he has the money to buy jags.

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snowwolf titans owner in madden.

note titans owner means im undeafted againest them. 

sorry spelled name wrong earleir,now its spelled right. he has the money to buy jags.

Not even close to enough money.

Keep trying.

It is not the job of the OWNER to ‘know football’.  The OWNER HIRES people to know football.

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I'm disappointed the Khans didn't bring in a new GM.

That's about the extent of it for me. Just disappointed.

Baalke needs to continue building the OL - the DL - the secondary - and probably find a Z receiver to compliment BTJ and keep defenses from doubling him constantly.

So far he has landed good players and bad players at each of those spots. Like most GMs.

I'll break that down in another more relevant thread.

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Khan may end up in a very bad situation here. IF this season coming up after they hired their head coach and kept his GM and played ignorant with the whole, "What does cleaning house mean?" Crap. I also want to state I am pissed at these wimpy reporters who are afraid to ask the real tough questions. If this season blows up and next season we are looking for a new GM because Khan failed to listen again, what are the ticket sales on the new stadium going to look like? There will be the initial novelty of the new stadium but that fades fast if this franchise continues to lose.


We just haven't been bad under Khan we have been historically bad. You would think a billionaire would learn from their mistakes but when it comes to football, shad does not.

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