And claims that he doesn’t start multiple threads about attacking the same player there’s a thread for already.

I never understood this weird thing where everything needed to be under one thread. So many things get lost in the massive 50-100 page threads.

Exactly but the person is a low IQ complainer. Complaining about multiple threads on a site with not a ton of traffic.

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Part of the reason Lawrence regressed was due to bad personnel decisions from the front office and the lack of ability and/or foresight to address the areas of needs that needed to be addressed in order for him to succeed.

Bad organizations ruin good talent. Good organizations elevate good talent. It's not that hard to figure out really. Trevor regressed to some extent. I personally believe it's a carry-over effect from multiple injuries stacking up since the team's demise in 2023 when they started off 8 - 3 and then his ankle was stepped on (could go back earlier to his knee injury with the brace being added).

He's taken as an [BLEEP] beating here the past two years. It'll start to weigh you down at some point. Happened to Mayfield in Cleveland. This team is an identity on offense and defense. It's never had that outside of Lawrence playing hero ball. You have a chance now to build your offense around Brian Thomas Jr. Any coach worth his salt can figure this out within a year or two.

We need a few upgrades along the offensive line. A better play caller and honestly another weapon at WR. I am going to keep saying it until the draft. This team would be better off drafting McMillan out of Arizona in the long run while fixing up the offensive line in RD3 - RD4 this year.

Cry me a river. At some point, Lawrence has to look in the mirror. He has played poorly and a lot of it is soley on him and nobody else.

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I never understood this weird thing where everything needed to be under one thread. So many things get lost in the massive 50-100 page threads.

Exactly but the person is a low IQ complainer. Complaining about multiple threads on a site with not a ton of traffic.

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Part of the reason Lawrence regressed was due to bad personnel decisions from the front office and the lack of ability and/or foresight to address the areas of needs that needed to be addressed in order for him to succeed.

Bad organizations ruin good talent. Good organizations elevate good talent. It's not that hard to figure out really. Trevor regressed to some extent. I personally believe it's a carry-over effect from multiple injuries stacking up since the team's demise in 2023 when they started off 8 - 3 and then his ankle was stepped on (could go back earlier to his knee injury with the brace being added).

He's taken as an [BLEEP] beating here the past two years. It'll start to weigh you down at some point. Happened to Mayfield in Cleveland. This team is an identity on offense and defense. It's never had that outside of Lawrence playing hero ball. You have a chance now to build your offense around Brian Thomas Jr. Any coach worth his salt can figure this out within a year or two.

We need a few upgrades along the offensive line. A better play caller and honestly another weapon at WR. I am going to keep saying it until the draft. This team would be better off drafting McMillan out of Arizona in the long run while fixing up the offensive line in RD3 - RD4 this year.

Cry me a river. At some point, Lawrence has to look in the mirror. He has played poorly and a lot of it is soley on him and nobody else.

The ultimate team sport with 22 players on the field at all times, but yes it's solely on one person and nobody else... LOL Sure thing bud.

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I want to see a coach that truly builds an offense around what Trevor does best. Use his mobility. Don’t make him a perpetual hostage to OL play. AND be able to run the ball! If it’s 3rd and 2, it ought to be automatic. Look what Harbaugh has done for Herbert. Since they can run the ball smash mouth style, Herbert can do his thing.


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Fix the O-Line!

Exactly but the person is a low IQ complainer. Complaining about multiple threads on a site with not a ton of traffic.

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Cry me a river. At some point, Lawrence has to look in the mirror. He has played poorly and a lot of it is soley on him and nobody else.

The ultimate team sport with 22 players on the field at all times, but yes it's solely on one person and nobody else... LOL Sure thing bud.

It's the Khan/Baalke Theorem, "We're all in this together (but that [BLEEP] Pederson is the one we're tossing out)."

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I want to see a coach that truly builds an offense around what Trevor does best. Use his mobility. Don’t make him a perpetual hostage to OL play. AND be able to run the ball! If it’s 3rd and 2, it ought to be automatic. Look what Harbaugh has done for Herbert. Since they can run the ball smash mouth style, Herbert can do his thing.


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Bulldozers not Ballerinas.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Searcy failed because he thought I gave a [BLEEP] about his opinion.

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Bulldozers not Ballerinas.

I like it!

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Exactly but the person is a low IQ complainer. Complaining about multiple threads on a site with not a ton of traffic.

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Cry me a river. At some point, Lawrence has to look in the mirror. He has played poorly and a lot of it is soley on him and nobody else.

The ultimate team sport with 22 players on the field at all times, but yes it's solely on one person and nobody else... LOL Sure thing bud.

It is a QB driven league.  The 6 figure man should excel the team.  He can't do it on his own but he has to be atleast playing well.  Trevor wasn't even average in 2024 but instead of looking at #16 you pass the buck to everyone else.  Take his sack away from your chin and look objectively.  I watched nearly every Jaguar Snap this year.  Lawrence play was very mediocre and he missed way too many passes.  I don't see the broacast crew calling out Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen for missing wide open receivers or just failing to see a receiver wide open because Lawrence locked onto one target.  It don't see Mahomes and Elite Qb's throw into triple coverage or throw the ball 5 yards over the receivers head.  I don't see Elite Qb's throw bullets 10 yards away and wonder why the receivers drop the ball so much.   Drops actually decreased with Mac Jones because he knows how to put a soft touch on a Pass.

I am just sick of seeing people like you blame everyone and everything else but number 16.  He is getting paid like a top 5 QB and should be playing like it.  Lawrence didn't even play like a top 15 Qb this year but yet we keep seeing people like you on the defense force.  The team Stunk and so did Lawrence.  Both can be true.  Your angle is Lawrence played poor because of the team but most people including me am not buying that BS anymore.  Lawrence has not played good enough period.  Even if he didn't get hurt his number trajectory was bottom of the barrel.  I remember many games that he didn't even Look Thomas way for entire half's.  He's not the prince that was promised and more and more people's eyes are opening to it.

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The ultimate team sport with 22 players on the field at all times, but yes it's solely on one person and nobody else... LOL Sure thing bud.

It is a QB driven league.  The 6 figure man should excel the team.  He can't do it on his own but he has to be atleast playing well.  Trevor wasn't even average in 2024 but instead of looking at #16 you pass the buck to everyone else.  Take his sack away from your chin and look objectively.  I watched nearly every Jaguar Snap this year.  Lawrence play was very mediocre and he missed way too many passes.  I don't see the broacast crew calling out Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen for missing wide open receivers or just failing to see a receiver wide open because Lawrence locked onto one target.  It don't see Mahomes and Elite Qb's throw into triple coverage or throw the ball 5 yards over the receivers head.  I don't see Elite Qb's throw bullets 10 yards away and wonder why the receivers drop the ball so much.   Drops actually decreased with Mac Jones because he knows how to put a soft touch on a Pass.

I am just sick of seeing people like you blame everyone and everything else but number 16.  He is getting paid like a top 5 QB and should be playing like it.  Lawrence didn't even play like a top 15 Qb this year but yet we keep seeing people like you on the defense force.  The team Stunk and so did Lawrence.  Both can be true.  Your angle is Lawrence played poor because of the team but most people including me am not buying that BS anymore.  Lawrence has not played good enough period.  Even if he didn't get hurt his number trajectory was bottom of the barrel.  I remember many games that he didn't even Look Thomas way for entire half's.  He's not the prince that was promised and more and more people's eyes are opening to it.

I'll play along with this narrative. The QB position is important, that's obvious. Last year in the draft I was hoping they would have drafted a guy like Joe Milton from Tennessee. This year's draft I am hoping they're taking a look at Jaxson Dart out of Ole' Miss. Especially with how this team has failed to protect Lawrence.

The argument though, that, "He hasn't played good enough period". That's a load of [BLEEP]. The team went 9 - 8 with him in 2022 with competent coaching. The team went 8 - 3 with him in 2023 prior to the injuries racking up on him, which then carried over into 2024. So, the team manages to win football games when he's playing.

Which means he's playing good enough. The idea that he wasn't looking Brian Thomas Jr's way is also nonsense. Because a lot of us, including myself, absolutely [BLEEP] cooked Lawrence back on the 29th of September, in week four, where missed him twice for touchdowns. The play he was also sacked for a safety against Cleveland, he was looking his way as well. Just couldn't block worth a [BLEEP] to give him enough time in the pocket for the double move to work on that route.

I like you. But, at this point, you're just pulling nonsense out of your [BLEEP]. Who are you replacing him with in 2025 anyway? Because the QB prospects are not all that great, you're certainly NOT drafting a guy at #5 that's better than him. I can understand finding a young, promising back-up to develop on day three. That's about it.

Darnold is not coming here. Rodgers is cooked. Cousins is cooked. Watson is cooked. Who the [BLEEP] are you replacing Lawrence with? That's my easiest counter argument. Who else is going to come in here and handle this mess the way this kid has for the past four years? It sure as [BLEEP] wasn't Mac Jones.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

josh allen just through into 4 coverage and was bailed out by his WRs, and Mahomes has looked like crap all year. every QB misses throws, but when your Receivers just drop the ball on 3rd down, 2nd down all downs. how is that on trevor. looking at you Gabe and Kirk. Trevor and the offence was failed by the Coaches no way around it. they all failed this team. Defense especially.

how many games did Trevor put us on his back and get the lead with less than 5 mins left only for the Defense to collapse.

was he perfect no, was he terrible again no.

the 4 game stretch of Colts, Bears, Patriots and Packers he played well.

should not of came back for Philly he wasn't ready and hou well they dirty licked him.

the fist 4 games he had alot of dorps from his receivers and bad game planning by Press or Doug i'm not sure which.

bring in a real Coach and OC or Coach who will call the plays and Trevor and company will be alot better.

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The defence went from middle of the pack to ranked 31st. Didn't matter what Trevor was doing with that defence on the other side. 

Doesn't mean things are suddenly going to be fixed if the D gets back to mid-pack. Offence was always bang average and Trevor remained inconsistent.

It's a big hire for Trevor, he's not going to get much longer before everyone starts to doubt whether he's capable of being a top 10 QB.

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It is a QB driven league.  The 6 figure man should excel the team.  He can't do it on his own but he has to be atleast playing well.  Trevor wasn't even average in 2024 but instead of looking at #16 you pass the buck to everyone else.  Take his sack away from your chin and look objectively.  I watched nearly every Jaguar Snap this year.  Lawrence play was very mediocre and he missed way too many passes.  I don't see the broacast crew calling out Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen for missing wide open receivers or just failing to see a receiver wide open because Lawrence locked onto one target.  It don't see Mahomes and Elite Qb's throw into triple coverage or throw the ball 5 yards over the receivers head.  I don't see Elite Qb's throw bullets 10 yards away and wonder why the receivers drop the ball so much.   Drops actually decreased with Mac Jones because he knows how to put a soft touch on a Pass.

I am just sick of seeing people like you blame everyone and everything else but number 16.  He is getting paid like a top 5 QB and should be playing like it.  Lawrence didn't even play like a top 15 Qb this year but yet we keep seeing people like you on the defense force.  The team Stunk and so did Lawrence.  Both can be true.  Your angle is Lawrence played poor because of the team but most people including me am not buying that BS anymore.  Lawrence has not played good enough period.  Even if he didn't get hurt his number trajectory was bottom of the barrel.  I remember many games that he didn't even Look Thomas way for entire half's.  He's not the prince that was promised and more and more people's eyes are opening to it.

I'll play along with this narrative. The QB position is important, that's obvious. Last year in the draft I was hoping they would have drafted a guy like Joe Milton from Tennessee. This year's draft I am hoping they're taking a look at Jaxson Dart out of Ole' Miss. Especially with how this team has failed to protect Lawrence.

The argument though, that, "He hasn't played good enough period". That's a load of [BLEEP]. The team went 9 - 8 with him in 2022 with competent coaching. The team went 8 - 3 with him in 2023 prior to the injuries racking up on him, which then carried over into 2024. So, the team manages to win football games when he's playing.

This ^ is kind of disingenuous, as Trevor's 2023 injuries didn't carry over into 2024 (not physically anyways.)  It wasn't until week 9 where he hurt his AC joint.  And you can't count 9-8 and 8-3, without counting his latest record of 3-13 as proof that's he's playing well enough.

Now I'm not discounting that the OL has had a major impact on his progression, but there's no doubt that this years Oline was better than last years.  Unfortunately Trevor's passer rating and completion stats went down this year in comparison to last year despite the OL improvement (and an addition of a talented #1 receiver.)

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Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

trevor also lost Kirk, Engram and basically Gabe davis for the majority of his starts. BTJ is good but press didn't start designing plays to him till well into the later part of the year. targets didn't start getting over 7 a game till like week 13. unacceptable as a OC with his talent. especially when we say him have big plays pretty much every game but deciding not to utilize him. almost as bad as have Armstead as a DE instead of a DT/NT.

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Coaching needs to be elite
O-line needs to be elite
WR elite
RB elite
PK perfect
Fans 100% support and stadium at full capacity
Defense lights out, elite and opposing teams are shut out from scoring

Then and only then, Trevor can elevate his game to………………… average

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The ultimate team sport with 22 players on the field at all times, but yes it's solely on one person and nobody else... LOL Sure thing bud.

It is a QB driven league.  The 6 figure man should excel the team.  He can't do it on his own but he has to be atleast playing well.  Trevor wasn't even average in 2024 but instead of looking at #16 you pass the buck to everyone else.  Take his sack away from your chin and look objectively.  I watched nearly every Jaguar Snap this year.  Lawrence play was very mediocre and he missed way too many passes.  I don't see the broacast crew calling out Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen for missing wide open receivers or just failing to see a receiver wide open because Lawrence locked onto one target.  It don't see Mahomes and Elite Qb's throw into triple coverage or throw the ball 5 yards over the receivers head.  I don't see Elite Qb's throw bullets 10 yards away and wonder why the receivers drop the ball so much.   Drops actually decreased with Mac Jones because he knows how to put a soft touch on a Pass.

I am just sick of seeing people like you blame everyone and everything else but number 16.  He is getting paid like a top 5 QB and should be playing like it.  Lawrence didn't even play like a top 15 Qb this year but yet we keep seeing people like you on the defense force.  The team Stunk and so did Lawrence.  Both can be true.  Your angle is Lawrence played poor because of the team but most people including me am not buying that BS anymore.  Lawrence has not played good enough period.  Even if he didn't get hurt his number trajectory was bottom of the barrel.  I remember many games that he didn't even Look Thomas way for entire half's.  He's not the prince that was promised and more and more people's eyes are opening to it.

Trevor was playing statistically in the top 10 this year before his shut down, so that is just mediocre? Or is it the fact that, that doesn't fit your narrative about him so you just ignore those facts?

Also, you most definitely aren't watching if you think Mahomes or Allen doesn't miss wide open receivers, or throw into triple coverage, or throw INTs in the redzone because they most definitely do. And they have plenty of times. Every single QB does, even the all time greats. It's simply foolish to say, or think otherwise.

#TrevorLawrence prior to shut down
Top-10 #NFL Rankings:

• Total QBR, min. 7 starts, as of time of this post (61.1—10th)
• Adjusted EPA/play (0.16—10th)
• Touchdown Passes (11—10th)
• Passing Yards (2,004—9th)
• First Downs Passing (96—9th)
• Yards/Completion (11.9—6th)

Meanwhile the Defense...

#Jaguars D prior to Lawrence shut down:

• 32nd Y/P (6.0)
• 32nd AY/A (9.2)
• 32nd passer rating (113.4)
• 31st pass EXP (-103.36)
• 30th PPG
• 30th TD passes (19)
• 30th YPA (8.2)
• 30th cmp-percentage (70.7)
• 29th TD pass-percentage (6.3%)
• 29th INTs (2)
• 26th rushing TDs (11)

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For those of us that have listened to XL Primetime and Helmets and Heals every day for 2 years...

Leon's solution to Trevor's inability is to get stronger players on the offensive and defensive lines, and use the running game to set up lanes for Trevor to exploit. Also, Trevor needs to take the little things which become available on 3rd down instead of always going hero ball. Hero ball = on 3rd and 5...throwing a 25 yard pass instead of moving the chains with an open 6 yard pass. Trevor does hero ball a lot. It's like he trust his arm more than he trust what he sees.

That's it guys. Trevor ain't perfect, but he's talented enough to win if he plays smart, relies on a running game and has a STRONG DEFENSE that can get the opposing team off the field on 3rd down.

Trevor ain't Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen, but with the right gameplan he's talented enough to beat all three of those QBs. it's a team sport.

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The Other Jag Forum: Duval Football Fans.

Brandon Scherff is no longer that dude.   Next season I want him gone.

Some of you are extremely delusional and I realize I an not going to convince you any different. You can cherry pick stats for your argument but if you saw a top 10 Qb playing this year and most of last, you are blind.

Mode experts rank Lawrence middle of the pack and I believe that's fair.. There is very few experts or even people outside of some Jag fans who call Lawrence elite.

Your welcome to your opinion but you are wrong if you think Lawrence is anywhere close to elite. I hope the new coaching staff can fix him

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Some of you are extremely delusional and I realize I an not going to convince you any different. You can cherry pick stats for your argument but if you saw a top 10 Qb playing this year and most of last, you are blind.

Mode experts rank Lawrence middle of the pack and I believe that's fair.. There is very few experts or even people outside of some Jag fans who call Lawrence elite.

Your welcome to your opinion but you are wrong if you think Lawrence is anywhere close to elite. I hope the new coaching staff can fix him

Pot meet kettle

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It is a QB driven league.  The 6 figure man should excel the team.  He can't do it on his own but he has to be atleast playing well.  Trevor wasn't even average in 2024 but instead of looking at #16 you pass the buck to everyone else.  Take his sack away from your chin and look objectively.  I watched nearly every Jaguar Snap this year.  Lawrence play was very mediocre and he missed way too many passes.  I don't see the broacast crew calling out Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen for missing wide open receivers or just failing to see a receiver wide open because Lawrence locked onto one target.  It don't see Mahomes and Elite Qb's throw into triple coverage or throw the ball 5 yards over the receivers head.  I don't see Elite Qb's throw bullets 10 yards away and wonder why the receivers drop the ball so much.   Drops actually decreased with Mac Jones because he knows how to put a soft touch on a Pass.

I am just sick of seeing people like you blame everyone and everything else but number 16.  He is getting paid like a top 5 QB and should be playing like it.  Lawrence didn't even play like a top 15 Qb this year but yet we keep seeing people like you on the defense force.  The team Stunk and so did Lawrence.  Both can be true.  Your angle is Lawrence played poor because of the team but most people including me am not buying that BS anymore.  Lawrence has not played good enough period.  Even if he didn't get hurt his number trajectory was bottom of the barrel.  I remember many games that he didn't even Look Thomas way for entire half's.  He's not the prince that was promised and more and more people's eyes are opening to it.

Trevor was playing statistically in the top 10 this year before his shut down, so that is just mediocre? Or is it the fact that, that doesn't fit your narrative about him so you just ignore those facts?

Also, you most definitely aren't watching if you think Mahomes or Allen doesn't miss wide open receivers, or throw into triple coverage, or throw INTs in the redzone because they most definitely do. And they have plenty of times. Every single QB does, even the all time greats. It's simply foolish to say, or think otherwise.

#TrevorLawrence prior to shut down
Top-10 #NFL Rankings:

• Total QBR, min. 7 starts, as of time of this post (61.1—10th)
• Adjusted EPA/play (0.16—10th)
• Touchdown Passes (11—10th)
• Passing Yards (2,004—9th)
• First Downs Passing (96—9th)
• Yards/Completion (11.9—6th)

Meanwhile the Defense...

#Jaguars D prior to Lawrence shut down:

• 32nd Y/P (6.0)
• 32nd AY/A (9.2)
• 32nd passer rating (113.4)
• 31st pass EXP (-103.36)
• 30th PPG
• 30th TD passes (19)
• 30th YPA (8.2)
• 30th cmp-percentage (70.7)
• 29th TD pass-percentage (6.3%)
• 29th INTs (2)
• 26th rushing TDs (11)

Now do our D compared to KC/Buff and our OL compared to KC/Buff. @I'm sure we're all neck and neck in all the ratings@

How many games do KC or Buffalo start out looking like they had no idea how to attack an opposing defense? It was a complete systematic failure all the way around the guy. Expecting him to single handedly overcome all of these failings and be the league's best is not a formula for success. You'll be lucky to end up with what Carr is doing in NOLA.

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For those of us that have listened to XL Primetime and Helmets and Heals every day for 2 years...

Leon's solution to Trevor's inability is to get stronger players on the offensive and defensive lines, and use the running game to set up lanes for Trevor to exploit.  Also, Trevor needs to take the little things which become available on 3rd down instead of always going hero ball.  Hero ball = on 3rd and 5...throwing a 25 yard pass instead of moving the chains with an open 6 yard pass.  Trevor does hero ball a lot.  It's like he trust his arm more than he trust what he sees.

That's it guys.  Trevor ain't perfect, but he's talented enough to win if he plays smart, relies on a running game and has a STRONG DEFENSE that can get the opposing team off the field on 3rd down.

Trevor ain't Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen, but with the right gameplan he's talented enough to beat all three of those QBs.  it's a team sport.

How often are we in 3rd and five, though? Usually it's 3rd and 8 or 12, and we're already down two scores.

The key to avoiding hero ball is not to need to be the hero. It's a big part of Allen's development. Early on he was the same - taking excessive risk, costing the team in critical moments.

I don't remember a lot of guys open in the short routes when it's 3rd and five, usually that's when the blitz comes and Trevor's either crumpled in a pile or rushing his throw.

Leon's right, we need to build the trenches. We need to figure out who we are, schematically and go for that. If we are trying to run like a power offense with a buncha ballerinas, of course we're setting ourselves up for 3rd and long. If we want to live by the deep route, we need a wall of behemoths to buy the QB time. Until we figure that out, we'll be stuck looking clueless.

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I think the biggest problem Trevor has is something that would give any QB problems: 2nd and 12. Running plays that lose yards. Inability to run for a first down on 3rd and 2. Plus a defense that can't stop the other team.

I'm tired of making this Jaguars team all about Trevor. Build a team, and Trevor will be fine.

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I think the biggest problem Trevor has is something that would give any QB problems: 2nd and 12.  Running plays that lose yards.  Inability to run for a first down on 3rd and 2.  Plus a defense that can't stop the other team. 

I'm tired of making this Jaguars team all about Trevor.  Build a team, and Trevor will be fine.

Exactly. With emphasis on the line in front of him.

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