The ONLY person in the NFL to hire Byron was Bruce Ariens. It took the goat Brady to make him successful. So please no.

If Byron could convince Arians to come over in a supporting role (dude's 72, maybe some consulting/QB coach role that isn't as intensive as a coordinator), I might be on board.

I wanted him over Doug, but he's been out of the league for several years now, BL may just be comfortable enjoying the fruits of his labors in retirement. Good gig if you can get it.

Leftwich was on a podcast recently (within a few weeks) and said he had no idea where the rumor came from that he wouldn't coach in Jax if they kept Baalke. 
Said he'd be the coach there in an instant if he were offered the job no matter the GM. 
Was never offered the job. 
He wasn't trying to bring any exec level guy with him then, and likely doesn't have the juice to do so now. 

Just sharing since that was a popular narrative around here a few years ago "He won't come becuz Baalke"

It is likely that same rumor-mill line is of equal inaccuracy concerning a few of the top candidates this offseason as well.

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If Byron could convince Arians to come over in a supporting role (dude's 72, maybe some consulting/QB coach role that isn't as intensive as a coordinator), I might be on board.

I wanted him over Doug, but he's been out of the league for several years now, BL may just be comfortable enjoying the fruits of his labors in retirement. Good gig if you can get it.

Leftwich was on a podcast recently (within a few weeks) and said he had no idea where the rumor came from that he wouldn't coach in Jax if they kept Baalke. 
Said he'd be the coach there in an instant if he were offered the job no matter the GM. 
Was never offered the job. 
He wasn't trying to bring any exec level guy with him then, and likely doesn't have the juice to do so now. 

Just sharing since that was a popular narrative around here a few years ago "He won't come becuz Baalke"

It is likely that same rumor-mill line is of equal inaccuracy concerning a few of the top candidates this offseason as well.

The echo chamber on local sports talk radio and social media really is something else.  Everybody is sure what happened or what is currently happening because they heard it loudly on social media.

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If Byron could convince Arians to come over in a supporting role (dude's 72, maybe some consulting/QB coach role that isn't as intensive as a coordinator), I might be on board.

I wanted him over Doug, but he's been out of the league for several years now, BL may just be comfortable enjoying the fruits of his labors in retirement. Good gig if you can get it.

Leftwich was on a podcast recently (within a few weeks) and said he had no idea where the rumor came from that he wouldn't coach in Jax if they kept Baalke. 
Said he'd be the coach there in an instant if he were offered the job no matter the GM. 
Was never offered the job. 
He wasn't trying to bring any exec level guy with him then, and likely doesn't have the juice to do so now. 

Just sharing since that was a popular narrative around here a few years ago "He won't come becuz Baalke"

It is likely that same rumor-mill line is of equal inaccuracy concerning a few of the top candidates this offseason as well.

People's memories get foggy over time, even regarding their own past and statements.

Also, sure he and his agent may not have made that blunt statement, but he may have definitely given off the impression the he want to be there with Baalke. It could have even been all in subtext/hypothetical, "what if were to offer the job to you?", "In that situation I may request this.", etc. etc. So that everyone can deny anything they wish after the fact.

All that stuff in done in the rooms with no recording and basically no witness other than the powers that be, so it will only ever be a he said-he said thing. No one outside that will truly know the truth.

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Curious why the hard pass on Flores? I get trepidation given some of the reports from his Miami tenure. 

But everything out of Minn has been glowing, and he easily could have learn a few ways to improve since Miami.

Because of the [BLEEP] he pulled in Mia.  Blamed everyone but himself.  Go look and read what Tua said about him?  I don't want that for Lawrence.  I also don't want someone that throws out the race card when the team wants to upgrade the coaching spot like they did.  I don't want that drama here we got enough [BLEEP] to worry about without all that.

I mean that owner and FO have never actually looked great either, so I could definitely understand him feeling like they were setting him up to fail and take the fall. 

The Tua comments feel more like a coach that is used to coaching a particular way and didn't adjust for particular players or Tua in particular. Sometimes, coaches grow out of that and learn to be more adaptable to the player and situation. No idea if Flores has done that, but it would be reasonable to do the due diligence of his Minnesota tenure to see if he has grown.

Regarding the race card bit. I would bet most people feel the Rooney rule stuff hasn't particularly worked as intended that felt more like him calling aspects of the hiring process and required arbitration contracts that most people would agree are not fair and should be changed. I'm sure any lawyer would have told him that he had a low likelihood to win any case, and that the point would be getting it out in the court of public opinion to try enact change there. And the use of race was the method to get more eyeballs on the grievances especially given the recent interest nationally in DEI and race based issues. 

I can totally understand how that could turn people off completely. But I can also understand how it happened. As someone already said, Khan is a minority owner. Tony Khan is a minority with a high level position in the building. And he cannot really pull that card again now. So I wouldn't expect that be major point of drama here or really at any future position.

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Jags have at least asked to interview Johnson, Coen, and Aaron Glenn for some reason (since they said they want an offensive coach)

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Rooney rule

Why are you suggesting Aaron Glenn isn't a deserving candidate?   His defense is arguably great.  Mike Tomlin was only DC for year before he was given a HC gig in Pittsburgh of all places.   A place where they don't have a turnstile at HC.   Glenn has been DC for 3 seasons.

It can be argued that the Jaguars two biggest issues are the offensive line with it's ability to run block, and the Jags defense overall.

A HC needs to be able to motivate the entire team, not just draw up a great offensive scheme.

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The Other Jag Forum: Duval Football Fans.

Brandon Scherff is no longer that dude.   Next season I want him gone.

I’d be just as happy with Glenn as Johnson.

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I’d be just as happy with Glenn as Johnson.

"Hi, Glenn."
"No, I'm Johnson."
"Uh, you're Glenn."
"I'm Johnson. You have a problem with that?"

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Rooney rule

Why are you suggesting Aaron Glenn isn't a deserving candidate?   His defense is arguably great.  Mike Tomlin was only DC for year before he was given a HC gig in Pittsburgh of all places.   A place where they don't have a turnstile at HC.   Glenn has been DC for 3 seasons.

It can be argued that the Jaguars two biggest issues are the offensive line with it's ability to run block, and the Jags defense overall. 

A HC needs to be able to motivate the entire team, not just draw up a great offensive scheme.

I don't know, somebody said they want an offensive minded coach so if true that is something they have to do anyway so get it out of the way so you can get the guy you really want.

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Rooney rule

Why are you suggesting Aaron Glenn isn't a deserving candidate?   His defense is arguably great.  Mike Tomlin was only DC for year before he was given a HC gig in Pittsburgh of all places.   A place where they don't have a turnstile at HC.   Glenn has been DC for 3 seasons.

It can be argued that the Jaguars two biggest issues are the offensive line with it's ability to run block, and the Jags defense overall. 

A HC needs to be able to motivate the entire team, not just draw up a great offensive scheme.

I've heard a lot of good things about Aaron Glenn.  Obviously, the advantage of hiring an offensive coordinator to be our head coach is that the offensive system will continue, even when our offensive coordinator is hired away to be a head coach elsewhere.  But over and above all of that, the most important characteristic of a head coach is can he lead a team.  That is a completely different skill set than being a coordinator.  So whoever we hire, I hope that is the reason they hire him.  Not because he's the hot coordinator out there.  

No one wanted Dan Campbell except the Lions, and when they hired him, everyone made fun of the Lions for doing that.

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Pff on Baalke

https://youtu.be/WUnEX3533Nc?si=bsCBtZ_UvWSaG_Fi

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If Byron could convince Arians to come over in a supporting role (dude's 72, maybe some consulting/QB coach role that isn't as intensive as a coordinator), I might be on board.

I wanted him over Doug, but he's been out of the league for several years now, BL may just be comfortable enjoying the fruits of his labors in retirement. Good gig if you can get it.

Leftwich was on a podcast recently (within a few weeks) and said he had no idea where the rumor came from that he wouldn't coach in Jax if they kept Baalke. 
Said he'd be the coach there in an instant if he were offered the job no matter the GM. 
Was never offered the job. 
He wasn't trying to bring any exec level guy with him then, and likely doesn't have the juice to do so now. 

Just sharing since that was a popular narrative around here a few years ago "He won't come becuz Baalke"

It is likely that same rumor-mill line is of equal inaccuracy concerning a few of the top candidates this offseason as well.

It's odd to me though that he's been out of coaching since that cycle, not sure if he's turning down interviews waiting for the perfect placement, if he doesn't want to deal with the (bologna), or if he's just happy to be rich and relaxed. You'd think if he has the fire to want a HC position, he'd be working in some fashion within a franchise.

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Leftwich was on a podcast recently (within a few weeks) and said he had no idea where the rumor came from that he wouldn't coach in Jax if they kept Baalke. 
Said he'd be the coach there in an instant if he were offered the job no matter the GM. 
Was never offered the job. 
He wasn't trying to bring any exec level guy with him then, and likely doesn't have the juice to do so now. 

Just sharing since that was a popular narrative around here a few years ago "He won't come becuz Baalke"

It is likely that same rumor-mill line is of equal inaccuracy concerning a few of the top candidates this offseason as well.

People's memories get foggy over time, even regarding their own past and statements.

Also, sure he and his agent may not have made that blunt statement, but he may have definitely given off the impression the he want to be there with Baalke. It could have even been all in subtext/hypothetical, "what if were to offer the job to you?", "In that situation I may request this.", etc. etc. So that everyone can deny anything they wish after the fact.

All that stuff in done in the rooms with no recording and basically no witness other than the powers that be, so it will only ever be a he said-he said thing. No one outside that will truly know the truth.

There were definitely associations with Adrian Wilson during that period, but as stated before, nothing explicit that it was a package deal should an offer be made. Not sure that's much different than what Shad is proposing now, that if the right coach nails the interview, but has a preferred GM to work with, we may consider making it a package.

Maybe Shad learned a thing or two from the last cycle?

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Rooney rule

Why are you suggesting Aaron Glenn isn't a deserving candidate?   His defense is arguably great.  Mike Tomlin was only DC for year before he was given a HC gig in Pittsburgh of all places.   A place where they don't have a turnstile at HC.   Glenn has been DC for 3 seasons.

It can be argued that the Jaguars two biggest issues are the offensive line with it's ability to run block, and the Jags defense overall. 

A HC needs to be able to motivate the entire team, not just draw up a great offensive scheme.

Think it's more that everyone is eyeing the two offensive minds who happen to be caucasian, and see the defensive guy(s) being the candidates that satisfy the rule, while not being the preferred options. Nothing saying that they aren't qualified, just that they aren't what everyone thinks will be what gets the franchise over the top.

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Pff on Baalke

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proxy blocked, so I can only make assumptions given the lack of supporting context.

I guess they gave him a 61 rating or so? No idea how they got to that metric, though. Nothing on the field reflected that kind of rating.

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Kliff Kingsbury is who I want to be the Jags coach in 2025.

https://x.com/NashJagsNats22/status/1877059893846286421

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Why are you suggesting Aaron Glenn isn't a deserving candidate?   His defense is arguably great.  Mike Tomlin was only DC for year before he was given a HC gig in Pittsburgh of all places.   A place where they don't have a turnstile at HC.   Glenn has been DC for 3 seasons.

It can be argued that the Jaguars two biggest issues are the offensive line with it's ability to run block, and the Jags defense overall. 

A HC needs to be able to motivate the entire team, not just draw up a great offensive scheme.

Think it's more that everyone is eyeing the two offensive minds who happen to be caucasian, and see the defensive guy(s) being the candidates that satisfy the rule, while not being the preferred options. Nothing saying that they aren't qualified, just that they aren't what everyone thinks will be what gets the franchise over the top.

I understand the desire to get an offensive coordinator to be our head coach.  The obvious reason for me would be the stability that would bring to our offense, since the person creating that offense would not ever be hired away by another team.  But the most important thing in a head coach is leadership ability.  I want our next head coach to make this team tougher- tougher in the trenches, and tougher on defense.  People love Dan Campbell, but he was never one of those hot offensive coordinators.  Neither was Mike Tomlin, or Bill Belichick.  Leadership ability is what we should be looking for.  I've heard great things about Aaron Glenn.  People say he has a strong personality, and strong leadership qualities.  

I'm really tired of making this all about Trevor.  Trevor's fine, but what I want is a total team, a team that will smash people in the mouth, stop the run, get after the opposing QB, etc.  I want a team that has a personality, that makes the opposing team feel the pain.  I'm tired of trying to pencil-whip people.  I want to hit them in the mouth.

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Think it's more that everyone is eyeing the two offensive minds who happen to be caucasian, and see the defensive guy(s) being the candidates that satisfy the rule, while not being the preferred options. Nothing saying that they aren't qualified, just that they aren't what everyone thinks will be what gets the franchise over the top.

I understand the desire to get an offensive coordinator to be our head coach.  The obvious reason for me would be the stability that would bring to our offense, since the person creating that offense would not ever be hired away by another team.  But the most important thing in a head coach is leadership ability.  I want our next head coach to make this team tougher- tougher in the trenches, and tougher on defense.  People love Dan Campbell, but he was never one of those hot offensive coordinators.  Neither was Mike Tomlin, or Bill Belichick.  Leadership ability is what we should be looking for.  I've heard great things about Aaron Glenn.  People say he has a strong personality, and strong leadership qualities.  

I'm really tired of making this all about Trevor.  Trevor's fine, but what I want is a total team, a team that will smash people in the mouth, stop the run, get after the opposing QB, etc.  I want a team that has a personality, that makes the opposing team feel the pain.  I'm tired of trying to pencil-whip people.  I want to hit them in the mouth.

How often has a "defensive minded" culture setting guy brought into a team already with a potential franchise QB worked? The only recent successful one I can think of is Roethlisberger with Tomlin, but Ben was a different QB at that time and didn't have the expectations to run an offensive-fronted team. Also that squad had recently just won a SB and had a few other HoF's on the rosters. 

Every other SB winning or successful "defensive minded, culture setting guy" was brought in prior to drafting their franchise QB. 

Also, just because you bring in a younger, X's-&-O's, playcalling person, doesn't mean they cannot have an edge, want a physical team, and affect the culture. Those are not exclusionary.

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Think it's more that everyone is eyeing the two offensive minds who happen to be caucasian, and see the defensive guy(s) being the candidates that satisfy the rule, while not being the preferred options. Nothing saying that they aren't qualified, just that they aren't what everyone thinks will be what gets the franchise over the top.

I understand the desire to get an offensive coordinator to be our head coach.  The obvious reason for me would be the stability that would bring to our offense, since the person creating that offense would not ever be hired away by another team.  But the most important thing in a head coach is leadership ability.  I want our next head coach to make this team tougher- tougher in the trenches, and tougher on defense.  People love Dan Campbell, but he was never one of those hot offensive coordinators.  Neither was Mike Tomlin, or Bill Belichick.  Leadership ability is what we should be looking for.  I've heard great things about Aaron Glenn.  People say he has a strong personality, and strong leadership qualities.  

I'm really tired of making this all about Trevor.  Trevor's fine, but what I want is a total team, a team that will smash people in the mouth, stop the run, get after the opposing QB, etc.  I want a team that has a personality, that makes the opposing team feel the pain.  I'm tired of trying to pencil-whip people.  I want to hit them in the mouth.

Correct. You want a guy who knows what he wants the team to look like on Sunday, and he builds that vision from top to bottom.

The last regime gave the impression that we were just tossing darts at a board to try and figure one thing out to the next. There was no certainty, no assertiveness. It's bad enough when the fans can't make sense of what's being done - when that confusion creeps into the roster, you end up with what we just endured.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I understand the desire to get an offensive coordinator to be our head coach.  The obvious reason for me would be the stability that would bring to our offense, since the person creating that offense would not ever be hired away by another team.  But the most important thing in a head coach is leadership ability.  I want our next head coach to make this team tougher- tougher in the trenches, and tougher on defense.  People love Dan Campbell, but he was never one of those hot offensive coordinators.  Neither was Mike Tomlin, or Bill Belichick.  Leadership ability is what we should be looking for.  I've heard great things about Aaron Glenn.  People say he has a strong personality, and strong leadership qualities.  

I'm really tired of making this all about Trevor.  Trevor's fine, but what I want is a total team, a team that will smash people in the mouth, stop the run, get after the opposing QB, etc.  I want a team that has a personality, that makes the opposing team feel the pain.  I'm tired of trying to pencil-whip people.  I want to hit them in the mouth.

How often has a "defensive minded" culture setting guy brought into a team already with a potential franchise QB worked? The only recent successful one I can think of is Roethlisberger with Tomlin, but Ben was a different QB at that time and didn't have the expectations to run an offensive-fronted team. Also that squad had recently just won a SB and had a few other HoF's on the rosters. 

Every other SB winning or successful "defensive minded, culture setting guy" was brought in prior to drafting their franchise QB. 

Also, just because you bring in a younger, X's-&-O's, playcalling person, doesn't mean they cannot have an edge, want a physical team, and affect the culture. Those are not exclusionary.

I don't want to make this hire all about Trevor and what is good for Trevor.  Whatever is good for the team will be good for Trevor.  Dan Campbell, Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh, you can go on and on with great coaches who were never "the hot offensive coordinator."  What they have in common is leadership ability.  That should be by far the most important prerequisite for the new head coach.  If I have a choice between Ben Johnson and Aaron Glynn, and I determined that Aaron Glynn had superior leadership ability, I would select Aaron Glynn.  Offensive coordinator and head coach require completely different skill sets.

One thing we need from a head coach is a willingness to have some hard conversations with players, because at times, some guys didn't seem to be playing that hard.  I recall Doug Pederson, in the middle of his third season as HC, saying we need to change the culture on this team.  Wow.  What a thing to say.  But probably true.

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These videos are fun to watch for NFL fans and thanks for sharing, but his primary "why" was the Maason Smith pick and then later mentioned "countless" bad picks and "limiting which coaches would take a HC job here".  I disagree on the drive by "countless" bad picks remark and it remains to be seen whether Baalke's presence will really prevent the Jags from landing their top preference at HC.  He went on a lengthy discourse about Maason Smith who didn't show up until the end of the season and held him up against Fiske who had a good rookie campaign as his primary "why".  I just don't destroy a player or the GM who selected him based on the player's rookie year.  Way too early for that.  Anything you get out of a rookie is gravy in my eyes.  Expectations coming in should be low though.  His primary "why" from what can be discerned without inside knowledge of the internal politics within the building should have been the free agent class from last year which he made no mention of.

This commenter's video, though well produced, comes off as someone whose source is the echo chamber of social media.  He also mentioned how attractive the Jacksonville situation is which as I've mentioned previously is actually a compliment to the person or people currently responsible for making it such.  Obviously much of that is regarding already having your QB in Trevor, but some of that would have to also be the rest of the roster which Baalke should get some credit for.

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https://youtu.be/0or9jE197_Y?si=rgOeiloZ3BSVgLqZ

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These videos are fun to watch for NFL fans and thanks for sharing, but his primary "why" was the Maason Smith pick and then later mentioned "countless" bad picks and "limiting which coaches would take a HC job here".  I disagree on the drive by "countless" bad picks remark and it remains to be seen whether Baalke's presence will really prevent the Jags from landing their top preference at HC.  He went on a lengthy discourse about Maason Smith who didn't show up until the end of the season and held him up against Fiske who had a good rookie campaign as his primary "why".  I just don't destroy a player or the GM who selected him based on the player's rookie year.  Way too early for that.  Anything you get out of a rookie is gravy in my eyes.  Expectations coming in should be low though.  His primary "why" from what can be discerned without inside knowledge of the internal politics within the building should have been the free agent class from last year which he made no mention of.

This commenter's video, though well produced, comes off as someone whose source is the echo chamber of social media.  He also mentioned how attractive the Jacksonville situation is which as I've mentioned previously is actually a compliment to the person or people currently responsible for making it such.  Obviously much of that is regarding already having your QB in Trevor, but some of that would have to also be the rest of the roster which Baalke should get some credit for.

Hehe, and so it begins...  

By June of this year, everyone will be back on the Baalke train predicting a 12 win season.

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Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.