Other than over paying for free agents, drafting broken resources, firing lots of people, and letting people hang around forever.... this team is doing just fine.

The GM is annoying the owner is loyal to the city but inept on finding success outside of business.

They make the simple hard and burn away excitement.

Oh yeah and fire Johnnie O too.

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Birth of the Franchise - November 30, 1993
Death of the Franchise - November 29, 2011

Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

Other than over paying for free agents, drafting broken resources, firing lots of people, and letting people hang around forever.... this team is doing just fine.

The GM is annoying the owner is loyal to the city but inept on finding success outside of business.

They make the simple hard and burn away excitement.

Oh yeah and fire Johnnie O too.

Despite being accused of defending the guilty whilst trying merely to demand objectivity, I find this reaction completely acceptable. 

LOL

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Again I think a lot of people are presuming the Jags have a traditional linear (one dimensional) hierarchal organizational chart.

Everything that has happened makes way more sense if you let go of that presumption, especially if the HC slightly higher up on a possibly constantly in-flux 3-dimensional chart.

We definitely have not had a conventional hierarchy since the Urbz hire. 

For better or for (now) worse

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Again I think a lot of people are presuming the Jags have a traditional linear (one dimensional) hierarchal organizational chart.

Everything that has happened makes way more sense if you let go of that presumption, especially if the HC slightly higher up on a possibly constantly in-flux 3-dimensional chart.

I don't think anyone assumes this. Pederson has always reported to Khan and not Baalke. The issue is that someone will always win and someone will lose. The HC has to be on the field and the GM does nothing. Baalke is always whispering in Khan's ear why the coach is busy coaching.

It's just more empty words from Khan. How many times has he said he would do something if the results weren't there? He continues to lie year after year and fans are just done with it.

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As I read through fan's comments via this thread and listen to Mr. Khan's accessment on the entire Jaguar 2024 situation(s), one thing is clear. He knows that his fan base deserves better. He's done nothing more than trying to give us the fans a consistent winning team. We the fans will continue to hate when we don't get what we Individually wish for. Yes, many fans wants the same result(s) w/respect to firings, hirings of the front office(s) and player/personnel changes. Yes we the fans wants/deserves continued success on and off the field and nobody knows this more than Mr. Khan

Clean House they're clamoring, get rid of everybody and start over. So we should get rid of the GM and HC to start/w. W/them goes their assistant coaches and the scouting team(s). This now leaves the medical and the nutrition staff(s) that also answers to the GM. My point is this. Mr. Khan knows how hard it would be to replace ALL of the aforementioned in one off season.

I personally feel that Mr. Khan will keep certain departments in place while making changes w/o being overwhelmed by the continuous hiring process of his staff. I may be wrong BUT.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

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Here's some evidence: Jim Harbaugh disparages Jed York and Trent Baalke

Nut job Harbaugh not getting on with someone 8 years ago substantiates exactly zero of the current rumors 

Harbaugh rubs ppl wrong everywhere he goes LOL

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You think this is normal?

How did the Jim Harbaugh-Trent Baalke breach open up? Let's go back through it: Owen Marecic, A.J. Jenkins, Aldon Smith... - Talking Points

Baalke as General Manager in San Francisco:
Harbaugh 2011 - 2014
Tomsula 2015
Kelly 2016 (worst year in franchise history 2 - 14)

Each year that team got progressively worse under his watch.

Baalke as General Manager here:
Meyer 2021
Pederson 2022 - 2024 (2024 showing some of the worst overall defensive play here we haven't seen since the Bradley era)
New Hire 2025

Again, even if you think he's a saint and not a snake. How many slam dunk future hall of famers, first team all-pro selections, pro-bowl caliber players has this guy really drafted during his near 10 years of being in control of roster management and team building?

I literally just told you I wanted him fired

Don't misrepresent my words with some horse [BLEEP] because I challenged a rumor you can't prove

By the way, that article is from 2014, Has zero bearing on the current rumors about Ben Johnson and others, And it actually suggests that the best path forward for Harbaugh and the 49ers at the time was to continue with Baalke - And that Harbaugh would undoubtedly just not get along with whoever the next guy was they replace Trent with.

I'm not trying to defend the guy, I'm trying to point out the inaccuracies of the hyperbolized criticism flying around

All I asked was "Do you think this is normal?".

LOL. Nobody spun your words or put words in your mouth. I provided a decent article on the unique history of Baalke and Harbaugh and that was that. There was clearly some bad blood at some point between the two. It was also cited that there was an apparent disconnect between what Harbaugh wanted player personnel wise and that Baalke was beginning to go in a different direction.

Regardless. He [BLEEP] sucks as a general manager. That criticism is well deserved and well earned after roughly a decade of ego's apparently not working together with him and there being no substantial evidence to suggest he's good at his [BLEEP] job. If anything, it looks like Harbaugh and Pederson overcame or masked a lot of his failures and ineffectiveness as a general manager with their sheer coaching abilities.

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Even if Baalke got along great with is coaches he still sucks as a GM

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With all the resources he's had to work with we should have one of if not the most loaded roster in the league

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Nut job Harbaugh not getting on with someone 8 years ago substantiates exactly zero of the current rumors 

Harbaugh rubs ppl wrong everywhere he goes LOL

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I literally just told you I wanted him fired

Don't misrepresent my words with some horse [BLEEP] because I challenged a rumor you can't prove

By the way, that article is from 2014, Has zero bearing on the current rumors about Ben Johnson and others, And it actually suggests that the best path forward for Harbaugh and the 49ers at the time was to continue with Baalke - And that Harbaugh would undoubtedly just not get along with whoever the next guy was they replace Trent with.

I'm not trying to defend the guy, I'm trying to point out the inaccuracies of the hyperbolized criticism flying around

All I asked was "Do you think this is normal?".

LOL. Nobody spun your words or put words in your mouth. I provided a decent article on the unique history of Baalke and Harbaugh and that was that. There was clearly some bad blood at some point between the two. It was also cited that there was an apparent disconnect between what Harbaugh wanted player personnel wise and that Baalke was beginning to go in a different direction.

Regardless. He [BLEEP] sucks as a general manager. That criticism is well deserved and well earned after roughly a decade of ego's apparently not working together with him and there being no substantial evidence to suggest he's good at his [BLEEP] job. If anything, it looks like Harbaugh and Pederson overcame or masked a lot of his failures and ineffectiveness as a general manager with their sheer coaching abilities.

I was referring to your "even if you think he's a saint" quip

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

The Red Zone Success Rate is the one that bugs me the most. Doug and his lazy OC never could be efficient in the Red Zone. Just trash offensive play calling. It was never good enough. i kept telling ya'll... It's just bad coaching.

Yeah, Baalke is bad. But man, Doug and Press were 2 clowns that emphasized the GM's circus.

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The Red Zone Success Rate is the one that bugs me the most.  Doug and his lazy OC never could be efficient in the Red Zone.  Just trash offensive play calling.  It was never good enough.  i kept telling ya'll...  It's just bad coaching.

Yeah, Baalke is bad.  But man, Doug and Press were 2 clowns that emphasized the GM's circus.

Still harping on that are we? Simple fact that no amount of coaching makes a team that can't physically run the ball able to run the ball. You wanna know why they were awful in the red zone? Because every running play immediately reset the line of scrimmage 2 yards back from where it was at the snap. Just the most incapable run blocking I think I've seen in over 40 years of watching football. But hey, if Pederson had just pressed the triangle button, right? Lol.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The Red Zone Success Rate is the one that bugs me the most.  Doug and his lazy OC never could be efficient in the Red Zone.  Just trash offensive play calling.  It was never good enough.  i kept telling ya'll...  It's just bad coaching.

Yeah, Baalke is bad.  But man, Doug and Press were 2 clowns that emphasized the GM's circus.

And yet the DEFENSE was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse in every regard.   Sure, the run defense wasn't statistically as bad...but if you have arguably the worst rated pass defense...and you play in the worst division in football...maybe being okish against the run doesn't mean your run defense is actually good either.

Doug and Trent needed to go...yes, but for 3 years I've been waiting to see how the Jaguars defense (against good offenses) was even average.

Getting Ben Johnson or Mr. Coen is great and all, but if we get beaten 29 -32 every game who cares about offensive stats?

The Red Zone Success Rate is the one that bugs me the most.  Doug and his lazy OC never could be efficient in the Red Zone.  Just trash offensive play calling.  It was never good enough.  i kept telling ya'll...  It's just bad coaching.

Yeah, Baalke is bad.  But man, Doug and Press were 2 clowns that emphasized the GM's circus.

Still harping on that are we? Simple fact that no amount of coaching makes a team that can't physically run the ball able to run the ball. You wanna know why they were awful in the red zone? Because every running play immediately reset the line of scrimmage 2 yards back from where it was at the snap. Just the most incapable run blocking I think I've seen in over 40 years of watching football. But hey, if Pederson had just pressed the triangle button, right? Lol.

This post is 100% correct.

Fixing the defensive side of the ball would still be the biggest improvement imo.

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Brandon Scherff is no longer that dude.   Next season I want him gone.

The Red Zone Success Rate is the one that bugs me the most.  Doug and his lazy OC never could be efficient in the Red Zone.  Just trash offensive play calling.  It was never good enough.  i kept telling ya'll...  It's just bad coaching.

Yeah, Baalke is bad.  But man, Doug and Press were 2 clowns that emphasized the GM's circus.

When a team gets to the red zone, the field is shortened, which makes pass coverage much easier.  Therefore, the way to have success in the red zone is to be able to run the ball, and we were terrible at running the ball.  That's what killed us in the red zone.  It's not play calling.  It's toughness, strength, and execution in the running game.  If we can run the ball better, we can score a lot more in the red zone.

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The Red Zone Success Rate is the one that bugs me the most.  Doug and his lazy OC never could be efficient in the Red Zone.  Just trash offensive play calling.  It was never good enough.  i kept telling ya'll...  It's just bad coaching.

Yeah, Baalke is bad.  But man, Doug and Press were 2 clowns that emphasized the GM's circus.

Still harping on that are we? Simple fact that no amount of coaching makes a team that can't physically run the ball able to run the ball. You wanna know why they were awful in the red zone? Because every running play immediately reset the line of scrimmage 2 yards back from where it was at the snap. Just the most incapable run blocking I think I've seen in over 40 years of watching football. But hey, if Pederson had just pressed the triangle button, right? Lol.

Yes, that.  Exactly.

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Even if Baalke got along great with is coaches he still sucks as a GM

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With all the resources he's had to work with we should have one of if not the most loaded roster in the league

According to Khan, we did?

rut-ro!

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I believe the most insane aspect of his scheme were the substitutions. There were many 3rd downs that our best players were not even on the field.

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Even if Baalke got along great with is coaches he still sucks as a GM

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With all the resources he's had to work with we should have one of if not the most loaded roster in the league

According to Khan, we did?

rut-ro!

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Your not my supervisor.

You're*

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According to Khan, we did?

rut-ro!

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Your not my supervisor.

You're*

<<----- theirs the door

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a lot of steam on twitter about Saleh to Jags as HC

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This organization will go nowhere as long as Baalke is there.

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