Lance Newmark is interviewing with the Raiders today. If we don't hear anything about us getting an interview with him this week it will be a bad sign.

Not just that it means we aren't getting Ben Johnson, but I think it will call into question whether Shad is actually willing to move Baalke to a different position in the front office.

I disagree.  If we're going to hire a new GM, whoever it is has to be acceptable to the new HC.  And since we don't have a new HC yet, there's no point in interviewing GM candidates.

That raises more questions. If we know Johnson/Newmark is basically a package deal then why are the Raiders still interviewing Newmark? Why are the Jets interviewing a ton of GM and HC candidates? Are all of those pointless too? 

Is the assumption simply that for Baalke to be relocated Shad has to fall in love with a singular HC candidate who otherwise refuses to come to Jax, and then Shad will blindly hire whoever that HC wants without question?

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Lance Newmark is interviewing with the Raiders today. If we don't hear anything about us getting an interview with him this week it will be a bad sign.

Not just that it means we aren't getting Ben Johnson, but I think it will call into question whether Shad is actually willing to move Baalke to a different position in the front office.

If we want a young offensive mind and we aren't getting BJ i think we need to take a good look at Joe Brady

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Lol, you guys can't really think that Baalke is even on the table at this point.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Seeing people going 180 on Ben here after this game. If anything, Aaron Glenn is looking less likely.

I thought Ben called a great game actually

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Wow, the whiplash reactions of modern day football fans.

Ben Johnson is still the standout candidate by a mile. His resume and body of work is still so impressive. No coach is going to be a guaranteed success but you take someone who has proven they can do it in the NFL.

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Seeing people going 180 on Ben here after this game. If anything, Aaron Glenn is looking less likely.

I thought Ben called a great game actually

Glenn didn't call a bad game either, Washington was just better and Daniels played an almost perfect game. That one option where Daniels got Arnold to bite down and then he got the edge for the 1st down was almost a picture of the entire game. Players make plays; players get beat. It's just so typically kneejerk of some people to automatically [BLEEP] on coaches who did a good job just because their team lost. They even whine about "jumping off of trains" and such.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Ben is going to the Raiders and we are getting Saleh as HC. It is only fitting for this franchise. Its over.

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I thought Ben called a great game actually

Glenn didn't call a bad game either, Washington was just better and Daniels played an almost perfect game. That one option where Daniels got Arnold to bite down and then he got the edge for the 1st down was almost a picture of the entire game. Players make plays; players get beat. It's just so typically kneejerk of some people to automatically [BLEEP] on coaches who did a good job just because their team lost. They even whine about "jumping off of trains" and such.

It's both, you need good players as well as good coaching.  Both are very important, its not one or the other.

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Glenn didn't call a bad game either, Washington was just better and Daniels played an almost perfect game. That one option where Daniels got Arnold to bite down and then he got the edge for the 1st down was almost a picture of the entire game. Players make plays; players get beat. It's just so typically kneejerk of some people to automatically [BLEEP] on coaches who did a good job just because their team lost. They even whine about "jumping off of trains" and such.

It's both, you need good players as well as good coaching.  Both are very important, its not one or the other.

And most people don't know which one is the problem, which is why so many are putting their hopes in a new coach while "the problem is still in the building."

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Wow, the whiplash reactions of modern day football fans.

Ben Johnson is still the standout candidate by a mile. His resume and body of work is still so impressive. No coach is going to be a guaranteed success but you take someone who has proven they can do it in the NFL.

Yeah it’s funny, you just knew going online that the overreactions to one game were going to be flying. No one is a guarantee to be a good head coach, you could go hire an accomplished head coach like Pete Carroll or Mike McCarthy and there is no guarantee they would be successful either. People are kind of just looking past Washington, but they won 12 games, obviously drafted a hell of a rookie, Quinn is a hell of a defensive mind, Kingsbury sucks as a head coach but has always been an excellent OC. Losing this game doesn’t really have much of a bearing on wether these coordinators are good candidates, you have to look at the body of work.

Johnson was still able to get 31 points against a good defense with Goff having a bad night and turning it over a lot. The Lions went 15-2 so saying they beat up on bad teams and lost to good ones makes zero sense. Johnson is still a top candidate, one game against a really good/hot team doesn’t change that. Of course Coen, Brady, etc are also good candidates. We are blessed with good options this year, just gotta hope we pick the right one.

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Lol, you guys can't really think that Baalke is even on the table at this point.

He'll be around but the question is, in what role? I don't believe he'll be the GM with the same responsibilities he had last year. Then again, it's Shad so who knows but it doesn't make sense for an in demand HC candidate to not have a say in the matter.

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It's both, you need good players as well as good coaching.  Both are very important, its not one or the other.

And most people don't know which one is the problem, which is why so many are putting their hopes in a new coach while "the problem is still in the building."

I mean, I think we know that players was the problem for Glenn last night. At one point last night they had one, 1, player on the field who was a starter in week 1. No coaching could overcome those injuries.

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It's both, you need good players as well as good coaching.  Both are very important, its not one or the other.

And most people don't know which one is the problem, which is why so many are putting their hopes in a new coach while "the problem is still in the building."

The only problem with this is it wasnt just one problem, it was multiple.

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Wow, the whiplash reactions of modern day football fans.

Ben Johnson is still the standout candidate by a mile. His resume and body of work is still so impressive. No coach is going to be a guaranteed success but you take someone who has proven they can do it in the NFL.

Yeah, I think I might have over-reacted last night...

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Ben J is still #1.

Glenn got destroyed by a rookie QB in the playoffs. That just never happens in the NFL, injuries or not. No rookie QB has ever won a SB or even STARTED a SB game. EVER. This kid is one game away from doing that. Either he’s the greatest rookie QB ever or Glenn just got flat out dominated by Kingsbury/Daniels.

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Ball is in Shads court now. Ben is getting a second interview and if Shad tells Ben that Baalke will no longer have personnel control, then we may be cooking.

I’m good with Coen or Ben Johnson.

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Wow, the whiplash reactions of modern day football fans.

Ben Johnson is still the standout candidate by a mile. His resume and body of work is still so impressive. No coach is going to be a guaranteed success but you take someone who has proven they can do it in the NFL.

Yeah it’s funny, you just knew going online that the overreactions to one game were going to be flying.  No one is a guarantee to be a good head coach, you could go hire an accomplished head coach like Pete Carroll or Mike McCarthy and there is no guarantee they would be successful either.  People are kind of just looking past Washington, but they won 12 games, obviously drafted a hell of a rookie, Quinn is a hell of a defensive mind, Kingsbury sucks as a head coach but has always been an excellent OC.  Losing this game doesn’t really have much of a bearing on wether these coordinators are good candidates, you have to look at the body of work.

Johnson was still able to get 31 points against a good defense with Goff having a bad night and turning it over a lot.  The Lions went 15-2 so saying they beat up on bad teams and lost to good ones makes zero sense.  Johnson is still a top candidate, one game against a really good/hot team doesn’t change that.  Of course Coen, Brady, etc are also good candidates.  We are blessed with good options this year, just gotta hope we pick the right one.

I get fans looking at successful teams for the current season and seeing that as a blueprint to success. The problem with that, and what makes football so awesome, is every year is a completely clean slate. Last year people were praising Houston, Niners, Packers and this season it's Lions, Commanders and Rams. Every fan wants success and want a coaching staff to walk in and just make it happen.

Doug looked like the right choice and was making progress towards success and then hit a wall. Every HC is going to have up and down seasons. The path to success is teams like the Bills, Chiefs, Ravens. Build a FO and coaching staff that work together and have a style and system they want to implement and then add players that work and excel in that system. Those teams have had years of stability and progress towards that goal.

That for me is the biggest thing with the new coaching staff. We need to find someone that the whole building from top to bottom can align with and give 5 years to build the roster and franchise, regardless of how good/bad those 5 seasons are.

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Yeah it’s funny, you just knew going online that the overreactions to one game were going to be flying.  No one is a guarantee to be a good head coach, you could go hire an accomplished head coach like Pete Carroll or Mike McCarthy and there is no guarantee they would be successful either.  People are kind of just looking past Washington, but they won 12 games, obviously drafted a hell of a rookie, Quinn is a hell of a defensive mind, Kingsbury sucks as a head coach but has always been an excellent OC.  Losing this game doesn’t really have much of a bearing on wether these coordinators are good candidates, you have to look at the body of work.

Johnson was still able to get 31 points against a good defense with Goff having a bad night and turning it over a lot.  The Lions went 15-2 so saying they beat up on bad teams and lost to good ones makes zero sense.  Johnson is still a top candidate, one game against a really good/hot team doesn’t change that.  Of course Coen, Brady, etc are also good candidates.  We are blessed with good options this year, just gotta hope we pick the right one.

I get fans looking at successful teams for the current season and seeing that as a blueprint to success. The problem with that, and what makes football so awesome, is every year is a completely clean slate. Last year people were praising Houston, Niners, Packers and this season it's Lions, Commanders and Rams. Every fan wants success and want a coaching staff to walk in and just make it happen.

Doug looked like the right choice and was making progress towards success and then hit a wall. Every HC is going to have up and down seasons. The path to success is teams like the Bills, Chiefs, Ravens. Build a FO and coaching staff that work together and have a style and system they want to implement and then add players that work and excel in that system. Those teams have had years of stability and progress towards that goal.

That for me is the biggest thing with the new coaching staff. We need to find someone that the whole building from top to bottom can align with and give 5 years to build the roster and franchise, regardless of how good/bad those 5 seasons are.

5 years regardless of how bad we are?  Hell no, I disagree with this.

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It's going to be Ben. There is nothing chi or vegas have that is better than what Jax offers.

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