The mac attack was a uhhh,  uhhhh, [BLEEP]

Noodle arm and interception machine, with his option not taken up someone else is required.

CJB again is a option, he is a okay backup, at least he has a better arm, however I honestly think we should sign flacco as our backup qb, some reason he always tears us up plying against us and he did lead cleavland to playoffs 2 seasons ago.

Drafting is another option, but finding a gem in the later rounds is honestly not worth

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So, in 2023, when Lawrence got hurt and banged up down the stretch. This was a concern of mine. I was calling for this team to actually draft two QB's in particular. Sam Hartman out of Notre Dame and then Joe Milton out of Tennessee. Joe being the better QB of the two. Has something you can't teach and that's an absolute cannon for an arm. He's looked good for the Patriots and they seem to be set at the QB position for the next few years with Maye ahead of him.

With that said. I agree on Mac. I still wouldn't mind having him back. I actually like the kids ability in the pocket to navigate and move in and out of trouble. His arm limits him but his ability to buy time and move the chains a bit with his legs is a good quality. I still like him more than CBJ and with a better coaching staff in place, both, him and Lawrence could benefit tremendously.

There's not a ton of QB's I like from this year's draft class in April. And with guys returning back to school like Ewher potentially and with Beck already confirmed that he's going to Miami that now bumps up QB's higher that I do like. Jaxson Dart in particular. He was a guy I would have targeted in RD3 late or RD4 early. I see him as an early to mid day 2 pick now. I liked Riley Leonard at Duke last year but he didn't really step his game up for Notre Dame as a passer this year so I don't think he's worth the time. He has a limited ceiling at the next level. Doesn't seem to have "it" in between the ears.

That leaves me with Will Howard out of Ohio St. and Rourke out of Indiana. Howard will probably be a day 2, early day 3 guy now because of his championship play recently. Rourke I think is sneaky. I like him as a 5th RD investment. Very accurate passer, very careful with the football, doesn't turn it over a lot. Something he did well throughout his 5 year college career. Has a good pocket presence in my opinion.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

So, in 2023, when Lawrence got hurt and banged up down the stretch. This was a concern of mine. I was calling for this team to actually draft two QB's in particular. Sam Hartman out of Notre Dame and then Joe Milton out of Tennessee. Joe being the better QB of the two. Has something you can't teach and that's an absolute cannon for an arm. He's looked good for the Patriots and they seem to be set at the QB position for the next few years with Maye ahead of him.

With that said. I agree on Mac. I still wouldn't mind having him back. I actually like the kids ability in the pocket to navigate and move in and out of trouble. His arm limits him but his ability to buy time and move the chains a bit with his legs is a good quality. I still like him more than CBJ and with a better coaching staff in place, both, him and Lawrence could benefit tremendously.

There's not a ton of QB's I like from this year's draft class in April. And with guys returning back to school like Ewher potentially and with Beck already confirmed that he's going to Miami that now bumps up QB's higher that I do like. Jaxson Dart in particular. He was a guy I would have targeted in RD3 late or RD4 early. I see him as an early to mid day 2 pick now. I liked Riley Leonard at Duke last year but he didn't really step his game up for Notre Dame as a passer this year so I don't think he's worth the time. He has a limited ceiling at the next level. Doesn't seem to have "it" in between the ears.

That leaves me with Will Howard out of Ohio St. and Rourke out of Indiana. Howard will probably be a day 2, early day 3 guy now because of his championship play recently. Rourke I think is sneaky. I like him as a 5th RD investment. Very accurate passer, very careful with the football, doesn't turn it over a lot. Something he did well throughout his 5 year college career. Has a good pocket presence in my opinion.

I really like Howard.  I think he has a real cockiness about him when he’s out on the field.  I think that’s also something that you can’t teach and in my opinion a very important trait in a good QB.

I thought Ewers was and is overrated and will never be anything more than a backup.  I thought he had already declared?

And I have no problem bringing Jones back as a backup.  I don’t think anyone is going to throw big money at him since he didn’t do anything outstanding for us in a pretty extensive ‘audition’.  So I think it’s a possibility.

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So, in 2023, when Lawrence got hurt and banged up down the stretch. This was a concern of mine. I was calling for this team to actually draft two QB's in particular. Sam Hartman out of Notre Dame and then Joe Milton out of Tennessee. Joe being the better QB of the two. Has something you can't teach and that's an absolute cannon for an arm. He's looked good for the Patriots and they seem to be set at the QB position for the next few years with Maye ahead of him.

With that said. I agree on Mac. I still wouldn't mind having him back. I actually like the kids ability in the pocket to navigate and move in and out of trouble. His arm limits him but his ability to buy time and move the chains a bit with his legs is a good quality. I still like him more than CBJ and with a better coaching staff in place, both, him and Lawrence could benefit tremendously.

There's not a ton of QB's I like from this year's draft class in April. And with guys returning back to school like Ewher potentially and with Beck already confirmed that he's going to Miami that now bumps up QB's higher that I do like. Jaxson Dart in particular. He was a guy I would have targeted in RD3 late or RD4 early. I see him as an early to mid day 2 pick now. I liked Riley Leonard at Duke last year but he didn't really step his game up for Notre Dame as a passer this year so I don't think he's worth the time. He has a limited ceiling at the next level. Doesn't seem to have "it" in between the ears.

That leaves me with Will Howard out of Ohio St. and Rourke out of Indiana. Howard will probably be a day 2, early day 3 guy now because of his championship play recently. Rourke I think is sneaky. I like him as a 5th RD investment. Very accurate passer, very careful with the football, doesn't turn it over a lot. Something he did well throughout his 5 year college career. Has a good pocket presence in my opinion.

I really like Howard.  I think he has a real cockiness about him when he’s out on the field.  I think that’s also something that you can’t teach and in my opinion a very important trait in a good QB.

I thought Ewers was and is overrated and will never be anything more than a backup.  I thought he had already declared?

And I have no problem bringing Jones back as a backup.  I don’t think anyone is going to throw big money at him since he didn’t do anything outstanding for us in a pretty extensive ‘audition’.  So I think it’s a possibility.

How about Kyle Trask?  Didn't he back up Brady in TB?

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So, in 2023, when Lawrence got hurt and banged up down the stretch. This was a concern of mine. I was calling for this team to actually draft two QB's in particular. Sam Hartman out of Notre Dame and then Joe Milton out of Tennessee. Joe being the better QB of the two. Has something you can't teach and that's an absolute cannon for an arm. He's looked good for the Patriots and they seem to be set at the QB position for the next few years with Maye ahead of him.

With that said. I agree on Mac. I still wouldn't mind having him back. I actually like the kids ability in the pocket to navigate and move in and out of trouble. His arm limits him but his ability to buy time and move the chains a bit with his legs is a good quality. I still like him more than CBJ and with a better coaching staff in place, both, him and Lawrence could benefit tremendously.

There's not a ton of QB's I like from this year's draft class in April. And with guys returning back to school like Ewher potentially and with Beck already confirmed that he's going to Miami that now bumps up QB's higher that I do like. Jaxson Dart in particular. He was a guy I would have targeted in RD3 late or RD4 early. I see him as an early to mid day 2 pick now. I liked Riley Leonard at Duke last year but he didn't really step his game up for Notre Dame as a passer this year so I don't think he's worth the time. He has a limited ceiling at the next level. Doesn't seem to have "it" in between the ears.

That leaves me with Will Howard out of Ohio St. and Rourke out of Indiana. Howard will probably be a day 2, early day 3 guy now because of his championship play recently. Rourke I think is sneaky. I like him as a 5th RD investment. Very accurate passer, very careful with the football, doesn't turn it over a lot. Something he did well throughout his 5 year college career. Has a good pocket presence in my opinion.

I really like Howard.  I think he has a real cockiness about him when he’s out on the field.  I think that’s also something that you can’t teach and in my opinion a very important trait in a good QB.

I thought Ewers was and is overrated and will never be anything more than a backup.  I thought he had already declared?

And I have no problem bringing Jones back as a backup.  I don’t think anyone is going to throw big money at him since he didn’t do anything outstanding for us in a pretty extensive ‘audition’.  So I think it’s a possibility.

Same with Howard. Watching him get fired up on the sideline against Texas was good to see. Dart has similar qualities. Plays a little too much at times with a reckless abandon as a runner but he's scrappy and can make plays in the passing game.

If Ewers declared I may have missed it. I was under the impression that some college team was going to offer him a $6M NIL deal to transfer over for his last year of eligibility. Which would be a lot more than what he would probably get as a day 2 or day 3 draft pick.

Jones is the most logical choice for me. You invested a 6th RD pick in him. He's from here. While he didn't set the world on fire last year, he wasn't that awful neither. There's some qualities to his game that I like and for a back-up, he's serviceable.

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I really like Howard.  I think he has a real cockiness about him when he’s out on the field.  I think that’s also something that you can’t teach and in my opinion a very important trait in a good QB.

I thought Ewers was and is overrated and will never be anything more than a backup.  I thought he had already declared?

And I have no problem bringing Jones back as a backup.  I don’t think anyone is going to throw big money at him since he didn’t do anything outstanding for us in a pretty extensive ‘audition’.  So I think it’s a possibility.

How about Kyle Trask?  Didn't he back up Brady in TB?

He did. He was a 2nd RD investment. Would be pretty surprising if they let him go. If Coen gets the job here though it would make sense to bring him on up. At the minimum, you get a guy that can quickly help Lawrence understand the signals and jargon within Coen's playbook.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I really like Howard.  I think he has a real cockiness about him when he’s out on the field.  I think that’s also something that you can’t teach and in my opinion a very important trait in a good QB.

I thought Ewers was and is overrated and will never be anything more than a backup.  I thought he had already declared?

And I have no problem bringing Jones back as a backup.  I don’t think anyone is going to throw big money at him since he didn’t do anything outstanding for us in a pretty extensive ‘audition’.  So I think it’s a possibility.

Same with Howard. Watching him get fired up on the sideline against Texas was good to see. Dart has similar qualities. Plays a little too much at times with a reckless abandon as a runner but he's scrappy and can make plays in the passing game.

If Ewers declared I may have missed it. I was under the impression that some college team was going to offer him a $6M NIL deal to transfer over for his last year of eligibility. Which would be a lot more than what he would probably get as a day 2 or day 3 draft pick.

Jones is the most logical choice for me. You invested a 6th RD pick in him. He's from here. While he didn't set the world on fire last year, he wasn't that awful neither. There's some qualities to his game that I like and for a back-up, he's serviceable.

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How about Kyle Trask?  Didn't he back up Brady in TB?

He did. He was a 2nd RD investment. Would be pretty surprising if they let him go. If Coen gets the job here though it would make sense to bring him on up. At the minimum, you get a guy that can quickly help Lawrence understand the signals and jargon within Coen's playbook.

Since he is a UFA this year guess it is up to him.  Can teams talk to these guys yet?

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

If you're talking about the backup QB you're talking like a loser.

Forget about the backup QB, make it a late round rookie you're taking a flyer on or a vet on a league minimum salary. If it's the rookie option you might even get lucky and find a Purdy or Romo.

Stop thinking about wasting money on a guy you're already screwed having in the game, and focus those resources on building the team to keep Trevor healthy.

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If you're talking about the backup QB you're talking like a loser.

Forget about the backup QB, make it a late round rookie you're taking a flyer on or a vet on a league minimum salary. If it's the rookie option you might even get lucky and find a Purdy or Romo.

Stop thinking about wasting money on a guy you're already screwed having in the game, and focus those resources on building the team to keep Trevor healthy.

I do believe that is the title of the string. My advice is don't post here if that is your opinion. I actually believe it is nice to have a qualified backup QB. Football being a team game and all. #shrug

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

If you're talking about the backup QB you're talking like a loser.

Forget about the backup QB, make it a late round rookie you're taking a flyer on or a vet on a league minimum salary. If it's the rookie option you might even get lucky and find a Purdy or Romo.

Stop thinking about wasting money on a guy you're already screwed having in the game, and focus those resources on building the team to keep Trevor healthy.

I do believe that is the title of the string. My advice is don't post here if that is your opinion. I actually believe it is nice to have a qualified backup QB. Football being a team game and all. #shrug

Having a good backup is fine, but not at all important to a good team, and really shows how [BLEEP] the team has been that is even something being discussed. A good team keeps its QB healthy and the backup is just some dude getting paid to sit in meetings.

I'm interested in the Jaguars being good, not in trying to sign backup QBs since we're going to let Trevor get injured.

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I do believe that is the title of the string. My advice is don't post here if that is your opinion. I actually believe it is nice to have a qualified backup QB. Football being a team game and all. #shrug

Having a good backup is fine, but not at all important to a good team, and really shows how [BLEEP] the team has been that is even something being discussed. A good team keeps its QB healthy and the backup is just some dude getting paid to sit in meetings.

I'm interested in the Jaguars being good, not in trying to sign backup QBs since we're going to let Trevor get injured.

There would be no Brady, Foles, Warner or Fred Taylor (Rob Johnson flipped for a 1st) story without a back up being placed into the line up.

Just like a good kicker. You don't realize you need a good QB until your good QB gets injured.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Having a good backup is fine, but not at all important to a good team, and really shows how [BLEEP] the team has been that is even something being discussed. A good team keeps its QB healthy and the backup is just some dude getting paid to sit in meetings.

I'm interested in the Jaguars being good, not in trying to sign backup QBs since we're going to let Trevor get injured.

There would be no Brady, Foles, Warner or Fred Taylor (Rob Johnson flipped for a 1st) story without a back up being placed into the line up.

Just like a good kicker. You don't realize you need a good QB until your good QB gets injured.

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You're making my point.

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Good teams have good backups. Besides what else is there to discuss that we are stealing time and attention away from. Did we offend you?

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

From what I have seen, Mac Jones would be a fine backup. If we get a defense and a running game, he can win games for us.

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If the back up is in, the season is over. Like any team, it works that way. If we want to have a fun back up, the only answer is crab legs. Jameis going to throw 400 yards 3 tds 4 ints, and it’ll be can’t miss TV.

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If the back up is in, the season is over. Like any team, it works that way. If we want to have a fun back up, the only answer is crab legs. Jameis going to throw 400 yards 3 tds 4 ints, and it’ll be can’t miss TV.

Agree - that's about the best case scenario you can have.

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If the back up is in, the season is over. Like any team, it works that way. If we want to have a fun back up, the only answer is crab legs. Jameis going to throw 400 yards 3 tds 4 ints, and it’ll be can’t miss TV.

For the long-term yes, but a decent backup has a chance to win you a game or two to keep you in the hunt if the starting QB's injury is short-term.

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Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

I rowed in this boat back when Chad Henne was here as the backup and everyone was mad and wanted him gone. I think what he’s trying to say is…don’t worry about it. If Lawrence is out for the season, the season is over anyway. One journeyman is about as good as any other journeyman QB.

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Draft a guy to compete with Mac Jones

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So, in 2023, when Lawrence got hurt and banged up down the stretch. This was a concern of mine. I was calling for this team to actually draft two QB's in particular. Sam Hartman out of Notre Dame and then Joe Milton out of Tennessee. Joe being the better QB of the two. Has something you can't teach and that's an absolute cannon for an arm. He's looked good for the Patriots and they seem to be set at the QB position for the next few years with Maye ahead of him.

With that said. I agree on Mac. I still wouldn't mind having him back. I actually like the kids ability in the pocket to navigate and move in and out of trouble. His arm limits him but his ability to buy time and move the chains a bit with his legs is a good quality. I still like him more than CBJ and with a better coaching staff in place, both, him and Lawrence could benefit tremendously.

There's not a ton of QB's I like from this year's draft class in April. And with guys returning back to school like Ewher potentially and with Beck already confirmed that he's going to Miami that now bumps up QB's higher that I do like. Jaxson Dart in particular. He was a guy I would have targeted in RD3 late or RD4 early. I see him as an early to mid day 2 pick now. I liked Riley Leonard at Duke last year but he didn't really step his game up for Notre Dame as a passer this year so I don't think he's worth the time. He has a limited ceiling at the next level. Doesn't seem to have "it" in between the ears.

That leaves me with Will Howard out of Ohio St. and Rourke out of Indiana. Howard will probably be a day 2, early day 3 guy now because of his championship play recently. Rourke I think is sneaky. I like him as a 5th RD investment. Very accurate passer, very careful with the football, doesn't turn it over a lot. Something he did well throughout his 5 year college career. Has a good pocket presence in my opinion.

I lean more toward Rourke/Howard just because I don't want to spend early on a backup. To get someone like Dart we're going to have to pass on a guy that is going to fill a big need, it's a big risk on an investment you hope you don't need to cash in.

And I think you can make a modest offer to keep Mac around, if nothing else give him an opportunity to shine in the PS and send him to another team before cuts (assuming we also darft a young kid who can hang).

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I really like Howard.  I think he has a real cockiness about him when he’s out on the field.  I think that’s also something that you can’t teach and in my opinion a very important trait in a good QB.

I thought Ewers was and is overrated and will never be anything more than a backup.  I thought he had already declared?

And I have no problem bringing Jones back as a backup.  I don’t think anyone is going to throw big money at him since he didn’t do anything outstanding for us in a pretty extensive ‘audition’.  So I think it’s a possibility.

How about Kyle Trask?  Didn't he back up Brady in TB?

 

I thought that was Gabbert. I'd rather we just keep Mac than bring in Trask.

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I do believe that is the title of the string. My advice is don't post here if that is your opinion. I actually believe it is nice to have a qualified backup QB. Football being a team game and all. #shrug

Having a good backup is fine, but not at all important to a good team, and really shows how [BLEEP] the team has been that is even something being discussed. A good team keeps its QB healthy and the backup is just some dude getting paid to sit in meetings.

I'm interested in the Jaguars being good, not in trying to sign backup QBs since we're going to let Trevor get injured.

Yeah but if you got dook at backup you fail  to see that your defense is actually crap when the backup is getting shut down in practice. The chefs are rolling with Carson Wentz at backup...why don't they just have Deshone Kizer playing on a vet minimum deal if it's so unimportant?

When Kyle Trask is your backup, you get nervous every time Baker takes on a defender on a scramble.

Backup QB is more important than you think, they are a second set of eyes on every play, and they should be working with the starter to help them to grow, to see exploitable gaps in the D, and to keep them from getting complacent.

Having a decent backup and improving the team aren't mutually exclusive.

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There would be no Brady, Foles, Warner or Fred Taylor (Rob Johnson flipped for a 1st) story without a back up being placed into the line up.

Just like a good kicker. You don't realize you need a good QB until your good QB gets injured.

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You're making my point.

So the loins are just as good with Goff as they would be with Hendon Hooker?

The Eagles make the SB if they have to rely on Kenny Pickett to win a few games?

There will be talent drop off from starter to backup. The goal is not to make it the grand canyon.

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