This is an artistic work that goes with the one memo of what it would look like if the rest of the world accepted it. LOL.. try again

if either of you want to go there I am sure we can get you there somehow to defend Hamas.

Bottom line the Israelis carved out an area for them to govern themselves, against their own opinion. The first thing they did was attack them. They lost the land that was given. IfI was Israel I would not be as kind as they have been.

Yes, we are well aware that you are in favor of inhumane cruelty towards the women and children and families of the Palestinians. Does that make you proud?

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This is an artistic work that goes with the one memo of what it would look like if the rest of the world accepted it. LOL.. try again

if either of you want to go there I am sure we can get you there somehow to defend Hamas.

Bottom line the Israelis carved out an area for them to govern themselves, against their own opinion. The first thing they did was attack them. They lost the land that was given. IfI was Israel I would not be as kind as they have been.

Yes, we are well aware that you are in favor of inhumane cruelty towards the women and children and families of the Palestinians. Does that make you proud?

You claim he's cruel against women and children, yet you want men in girls bathrooms, men in women's sports and are in favor of genital mutilation in children..

You represent the lowest lifeform on the face of this Earth.. Ya'll are garbage..

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This is an artistic work that goes with the one memo of what it would look like if the rest of the world accepted it. LOL.. try again

if either of you want to go there I am sure we can get you there somehow to defend Hamas.

Bottom line the Israelis carved out an area for them to govern themselves, against their own opinion. The first thing they did was attack them. They lost the land that was given. IfI was Israel I would not be as kind as they have been.

Yes, we are well aware that you are in favor of inhumane cruelty towards the women and children and families of the Palestinians. Does that make you proud?

Obviously you forgot the unarmed people the Palestinians murdered. The women they raped. The children they killed. The Palestinian mothers urging their sons to Kill, Kill, Kill. The two babies they took hostage and before returning, killed them with their bare hands. This is the hill you choose to die on? WOW just lost any modicum of respect that was left for you. You have my sympathy....they began this own their own.

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This is an artistic work that goes with the one memo of what it would look like if the rest of the world accepted it. LOL.. try again

if either of you want to go there I am sure we can get you there somehow to defend Hamas.

Bottom line the Israelis carved out an area for them to govern themselves, against their own opinion. The first thing they did was attack them. They lost the land that was given. IfI was Israel I would not be as kind as they have been.

Yes, we are well aware that you are in favor of inhumane cruelty towards the women and children and families of the Palestinians. Does that make you proud?

My heart breaks for them, the same as it breaks for a rabid dog or terminally ill pet. We know the best we can do for them is give them a peaceful death, because they cannot be rehabilitated. They are victims of the culture war, but winning it is far more important than trying to save the irredeemable.

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I mostly agree, actually.  From 10,000 miles away, we can see ways that Israel might be able to behave better, and persuade more of the Arabs to lay down their arms and live in peace, But if I was living there, I probably wouldn't care. When people want to annihilate you, human nature demands that you respond by trying to annihilate them first. 

If there are Arabs living in Israel proper, or in the occupied territories, who genuinely want to peacefully coexist next to or within a Jewish state, I have sympathy for them. A lot of sympathy. I wish they had more control and more influence over the situation. But Hamas and its "river to the sea" ideology must be annihilated.

What is not understood by Americans is the Palestinian children for years have been raised and indoctrinated to radical Islamic principles. This has happened as they have been ruled by Hamas. Egypt took some in and for their trouble they got the Arab spring. Jordon was glad they left. The rest of the Arab world does not want them in their countries or bordering them if possible. I cannot see the Israelis allowing arms into Gaza ever again. It will be hard to get them to return Gaza at all.

This history is also incorrect.

Jordan took in numerous Palestinian refugees.  The most of any country.  Many of them are integrated, many of them are still isolated in separate camps, but they've caused very little trouble in the last 30 years. 

Jordan used to host the PLO and that was a big problem.  The PLO fought the Jordanians.  Then the Jordanian army and police cracked down and the PLO relocated to Lebanon where they started most of the same trouble for a while.  Since the Oslo accords the PLO is now the PLA and it doesn't cause trouble for other Arab states.

Egypt never took in Palestinian refugees. Their "Arab Spring" was led by the Muslim Brotherhood who are an international organization that is older than Israel.  Hamas started as the Palestinian chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood, but the two have little to do with each other now.  After al-Sisi led the coup against the Muslim brotherhood government, Hamas has had to look for other sponsors, and they are now getting almost all their funds from Iran.

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What is not understood by Americans is the Palestinian children for years have been raised and indoctrinated to radical Islamic principles. This has happened as they have been ruled by Hamas. Egypt took some in and for their trouble they got the Arab spring. Jordon was glad they left. The rest of the Arab world does not want them in their countries or bordering them if possible. I cannot see the Israelis allowing arms into Gaza ever again. It will be hard to get them to return Gaza at all.

This history is also incorrect.

Jordan took in numerous Palestinian refugees.  The most of any country.  Many of them are integrated, many of them are still isolated in separate camps, but they've caused very little trouble in the last 30 years. 

Jordan used to host the PLO and that was a big problem.  The PLO fought the Jordanians.  Then the Jordanian army and police cracked down and the PLO relocated to Lebanon where they started most of the same trouble for a while.  Since the Oslo accords the PLO is now the PLA and it doesn't cause trouble for other Arab states.

Egypt never took in Palestinian refugees. Their "Arab Spring" was led by the Muslim Brotherhood who are an international organization that is older than Israel.  Hamas started as the Palestinian chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood, but the two have little to do with each other now.  After al-Sisi led the coup against the Muslim brotherhood government, Hamas has had to look for other sponsors, and they are now getting almost all their funds from Iran.

Whatever you say...
Bottom line they do not want them. They said as much. Will they change their minds? Who knows we will see.

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This is an artistic work that goes with the one memo of what it would look like if the rest of the world accepted it. LOL.. try again

Aren't all maps

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This is an artistic work that goes with the one memo of what it would look like if the rest of the world accepted it. LOL.. try again

Aren't all maps

ok boys, I am waiting to admit I am wrong as you request. Not a big deal. I just need to know when the ground breaking cerimony is planned for this Trump Gaza thing? It scheduled yet? Now remember both of you must admit YOU are wrong if it doesn't take place.

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Aren't all maps

ok boys, I am waiting to admit I am wrong as you request. Not a big deal. I just need to know when the ground breaking cerimony is planned for this Trump Gaza thing? It scheduled yet? Now remember both of you must admit YOU are wrong if it doesn't take place.

Thank you for admitting you were wrong about some of the history.
But I'm not trying to predict the future.  All I'm saying is Trump is deadly serious about trying to control Gaza.  Whether he follows through or not, I can't predict.  He won't attempt it unless he was confident that there would be somewhere to move at least half of the current population of the Gaza strip away to.  Trump understands that reducing local overpopulation is a first step in reducing poverty.

I don't really know where you fall on that. I think we both agree that our even suggesting it up-ends the norms and the expectations of all the countries in the Middle East. But that might be a good thing. Time will tell.

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ok boys, I am waiting to admit I am wrong as you request. Not a big deal. I just need to know when the ground breaking cerimony is planned for this Trump Gaza thing? It scheduled yet? Now remember both of you must admit YOU are wrong if it doesn't take place.

Thank you for admitting you were wrong about some of the history.
But I'm not trying to predict the future.  All I'm saying is Trump is deadly serious about trying to control Gaza.  Whether he follows through or not, I can't predict.  He won't attempt it unless he was confident that there would be somewhere to move at least half of the current population of the Gaza strip away to.  Trump understands that reducing local overpopulation is a first step in reducing poverty.

I don't really know where you fall on that.  I think we both agree that our even suggesting it up-ends the norms and the expectations of all the countries in the Middle East.  But that might be a good thing.  Time will tell.

I think Trump is goading other ME nations to step forward to take control and rebuild Gaza to keep those pesky Palestinians contained. They don't want them, but the Islamists uses Gazans and Gaza as a front operation for terrorism, which in turn unsettles the entire region. Now is the perfect opportunity to rebuild Gaza into a relatively peaceful and prosperous area which suits their desire. It's going to require a lot of oversight and expense, but they have no other real choice at this point.

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ok boys, I am waiting to admit I am wrong as you request. Not a big deal. I just need to know when the ground breaking cerimony is planned for this Trump Gaza thing? It scheduled yet? Now remember both of you must admit YOU are wrong if it doesn't take place.

Thank you for admitting you were wrong about some of the history.
But I'm not trying to predict the future.  All I'm saying is Trump is deadly serious about trying to control Gaza.  Whether he follows through or not, I can't predict.  He won't attempt it unless he was confident that there would be somewhere to move at least half of the current population of the Gaza strip away to.  Trump understands that reducing local overpopulation is a first step in reducing poverty.

I don't really know where you fall on that.  I think we both agree that our even suggesting it up-ends the norms and the expectations of all the countries in the Middle East.  But that might be a good thing.  Time will tell.

I am not sure about some of your post. I was making clear a deal between you 2 and me as both attacked me for saying Trump was not serious about owning Gaza and putting a resort up. If he doesn't you owe an admission that you were wrong. In turn if he does do that then I'll admit I was wrong. Accountability my friend...

Actually homebiscuit has it right....you and the other guy had no clue.

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Thank you for admitting you were wrong about some of the history.
But I'm not trying to predict the future.  All I'm saying is Trump is deadly serious about trying to control Gaza.  Whether he follows through or not, I can't predict.  He won't attempt it unless he was confident that there would be somewhere to move at least half of the current population of the Gaza strip away to.  Trump understands that reducing local overpopulation is a first step in reducing poverty.

I don't really know where you fall on that.  I think we both agree that our even suggesting it up-ends the norms and the expectations of all the countries in the Middle East.  But that might be a good thing.  Time will tell.

I think Trump is goading other ME nations to step forward to take control and rebuild Gaza to keep those pesky Palestinians contained. They don't want them, but the Islamists uses Gazans and Gaza as a front operation for terrorism, which in turn unsettles the entire region. Now is the perfect opportunity to rebuild Gaza into a relatively peaceful and prosperous area which suits their desire. It's going to require a lot of oversight and expense, but they have no other real choice at this point.

Hopefully there won't be any way to see which one of us is right. Hopefully the rich Arab countries lead a good effort to clear the area out, maybe the US chips in, maybe not, and we can say Trump goaded them, but it we'd have no way to know if he was bluffing, as you say, or serious, as I say.

If nothing changes over there, that's a bad outcome and I'd be wrong.

If our country's military and military police lead the effort to clean up the area, that's also a bad outcome and you'd be wrong.

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I think Trump is goading other ME nations to step forward to take control and rebuild Gaza to keep those pesky Palestinians contained. They don't want them, but the Islamists uses Gazans and Gaza as a front operation for terrorism, which in turn unsettles the entire region. Now is the perfect opportunity to rebuild Gaza into a relatively peaceful and prosperous area which suits their desire. It's going to require a lot of oversight and expense, but they have no other real choice at this point.

Hopefully there won't be any way to see which one of us is right. Hopefully the rich Arab countries lead a good effort to clear the area out, maybe the US chips in, maybe not, and we can say Trump goaded them, but it we'd have no way to know if he was bluffing, as you say, or serious, as I say.

If nothing changes over there, that's a bad outcome and I'd be wrong.

If our country's military and military police lead the effort to clean up the area, that's also a bad outcome and you'd be wrong.

My view is Trump has no intention of dedicating ground forces there. He's using the carrot and stick approach to gauge response from surrounding countries. All he has to do is build a small consensus and then sweeten the pot by, as you suggest, chipping in some funds. Getting the remainder of the hostages out and agreeing on an oversight authority will be the hardest part. Then start the process. I'm sure Israeli intelligence will keep tabs, as well. The critical part is to get the rebuild started as quickly as possible or it will become a festering point.

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Hopefully there won't be any way to see which one of us is right. Hopefully the rich Arab countries lead a good effort to clear the area out, maybe the US chips in, maybe not, and we can say Trump goaded them, but it we'd have no way to know if he was bluffing, as you say, or serious, as I say.

If nothing changes over there, that's a bad outcome and I'd be wrong.

If our country's military and military police lead the effort to clean up the area, that's also a bad outcome and you'd be wrong.

My view is Trump has no intention of dedicating ground forces there. He's using the carrot and stick approach to gauge response from surrounding countries. All he has to do is build a small consensus and then sweeten the pot by, as you suggest, chipping in some funds. Getting the remainder of the hostages out and agreeing on an oversight authority will be the hardest part. Then start the process. I'm sure Israeli intelligence will keep tabs, as well. The critical part is to get the rebuild started as quickly as possible or it will become a festering point.

Yea, agreed.   The strike on the Houthis was a little message. Sure Biden hit them a little but targeted launch sites. They hit those and storage facilities. Issue is I am hoping Hamas doesn't over play it's hand like Mr Z did.  They have really no cards at all.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

My view is Trump has no intention of dedicating ground forces there. He's using the carrot and stick approach to gauge response from surrounding countries. All he has to do is build a small consensus and then sweeten the pot by, as you suggest, chipping in some funds. Getting the remainder of the hostages out and agreeing on an oversight authority will be the hardest part. Then start the process. I'm sure Israeli intelligence will keep tabs, as well. The critical part is to get the rebuild started as quickly as possible or it will become a festering point.

Yea, agreed.   The strike on the Houthis was a little message. Sure Biden hit them a little but targeted launch sites. They hit those and storage facilities. Issue is I am hoping Hamas doesn't over play it's hand like Mr Z did.  They have really no cards at all.

Seems Hamas overplayed their hand, deciding to not keep releasing hostages. Sad

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