He along with Michael Huyghue (who no one ever wants to give his proper share of blame) were both responsible for the cap hell. 

 

At least Coughlin was usually pretty good with the first rounders. He rarely missed, and when he did hit, it was usually a pro bowl level player at best, solid starter at worst; Boselli, Hardy, Wynn, Taylor, Darius, Bryant, Pothead (only 1st round bust) , Stroud, Henderson.

 

He also drafted Rob Johnson in the 4th round that parlayed into Fred Taylor & Tavian Banks. But I guess he gets no credit as a GM for all of that. Just overblame him for the cap problems. 

 

Who isn't giving him credit as a GM? He drafted good in the first round. Nobody denies that. His picks after that left alot to be desired and he overpaid alot of free agents. If you don't see that, your head must be buried in the sand.

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Who isn't giving him credit as a GM? He drafted good in the first round. Nobody denies that. His picks after that left alot to be desired and he overpaid alot of free agents. If you don't see that, your head must be buried in the sand.

 

It's buried somewhere, but it's not sand.  A very dark corner in Coughlandia.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

How was the defense way better last year? What?

 

I think what you are missing is the big picture thinking.

 

Why commit so much money to Derek Cox when he probably is not a good fit on this defense anyway?

 

Derek Cox didn't sign for big money, he was more then affordable.

 

How is that the same? Those two are Pro Bowl players. You're talking about Derek Cox and Terrance Knighton. Average players that are easily replacable.

 

I'm responding to an argument a 2-14 team couldn't be that bad off for letting starters walk away after going 2-14.

 

1) Neither guy would be in the long term plans of the team, so what does it really matter? I can't believe anyone could hold this much animosity against the new front office over the likes of players like Cox, Knighton, or even Daryl Smith. None of them would make an impact on this season or the long term future of the team. Daryl Smith would have been nice to have for a year or two but it didn't work out. Hardly anything to make a fuss over.


2) I am being honest. The Jaguars found great success as an opening franchise. AFC Championship games in the first few years of a franchise is a big deal. This team hasn't been truly bad for THAT long. The year it needed to be with Andrew Luck and RGIII we missed out. This year I see a guy that could be on that level and I don't want to miss out. I'm willing to struggle to get the first pick in the draft and a shot at a elite player in the most important position on sports. It will get better, all we have to do is wait.

 

MJD isn't in the long term plans either, why are we keeping him around? Because letting him go would leave us needing immediate help at another position, for that same reason we should've retained some help on the defensive side of the ball.

 

I don't think the defense is any better this year, but time will tell. We will find out how good or bad this defense is in the next few weeks, like you said it's week 2 so maybe my judgment on them is premature.

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Derek Cox didn't sign for big money, he was more then affordable.

 

 

4 years/20 million isn't chump change.

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MJD isn't in the long term plans either, why are we keeping him around? Because letting him go would leave us needing immediate help at another position, for that same reason we should've retained some help on the defensive side of the ball.

 

MJD is here because he has one year left on his deal before he hits free agency. Daryl Smith, Knighton, Cox and the other guys you mentioned were free agents last year. This isn't that difficult to understand.

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Lets be realistic...we just might not win a game this year looking at the schedules difficulty. The only chance possibly is probably, the Browns, The Bills and a possible Titans game at home. Every other game is no chance due to the talent on this team compared to others unless someway, Gabbert comes back and is immortal and becomes the next Peyton Manning. Im here for the long run and always has been so lets do what we gotta do. Im hoping we win some games but if not, always a fan no matter what. Our two past GMs have really gave us nothing to present and now we are suffering for it. Time to get the big name players in here

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Why commit so much money to Derek Cox when he probably is not a good fit on this defense anyway?

Lets see, a tall physical corner with long arms and 4.4 speed who excels in press coverage. You're right, doesn't sound like a Bradley corner at all.


And by the way, he didn't cost that much.

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Its the QB stupid!

Lets see, a tall physical corner with long arms and 4.4 speed who excels in press coverage. You're right, doesn't sound like a Bradley corner at all.


And by the way, he didn't cost that much.

 

When did 5 million a year become not much?

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4 years/20 million isn't chump change.

 

The correct assessment is 20 million / (4yrs X 8 games played per year)

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Lets see, a tall physical corner with long arms and 4.4 speed who excels in press coverage. You're right, doesn't sound like a Bradley corner at all.


And by the way, he didn't cost that much.

The best ability is availability. I can understand why the new front office may not have wanted to commit to Derek Cox.

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Derek Cox didn't sign for big money, he was more then affordable.



I'm responding to an argument a 2-14 team couldn't be that bad off for letting starters walk away after going 2-14.



MJD isn't in the long term plans either, why are we keeping him around? Because letting him go would leave us needing immediate help at another position, for that same reason we should've retained some help on the defensive side of the ball.


I don't think the defense is any better this year, but time will tell. We will find out how good or bad this defense is in the next few weeks, like you said it's week 2 so maybe my judgment on them is premature.

Maurice Jones Drew is not a free agent, it's not the same situation. I've said in a different thread that I see this as Mojo's last year in Jacksonville and the team will move on and let him sign somewhere else in free agency.


Mojo is also a better player than any player let go thus far.

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Derek Cox didn't sign for big money, he was more then affordable.

 

 

I'm responding to an argument a 2-14 team couldn't be that bad off for letting starters walk away after going 2-14.

 

 

MJD isn't in the long term plans either, why are we keeping him around? Because letting him go would leave us needing immediate help at another position, for that same reason we should've retained some help on the defensive side of the ball.

 

I don't think the defense is any better this year, but time will tell. We will find out how good or bad this defense is in the next few weeks, like you said it's week 2 so maybe my judgment on them is premature.

 

But you responded by talking about two pro bowl players... We didn't let any pro bowlers go.  We haven't had a legit pro bowler since MJD.  Last I checked, he is still on the team.

 

You are looking at the surface.  On the surface Chiefs were 2-14.  And on the surface you would think the Jags and Chiefs had comparable talent.  Dig a little deeper.  They had considerably more talent then the Jags.  

 

Defense may not be better, but don't know how you came to the conclusion already that they are worse.  

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Lets see, a tall physical corner with long arms and 4.4 speed who excels in press coverage. You're right, doesn't sound like a Bradley corner at all.


And by the way, he didn't cost that much.

 

I can see the argument for Cox.  They chose not to go in that direction.  They did so for a reason and only time will tell if it is the right call.  I can understand being critical about not getting a RT in free agency and not signing Cox.  What I don't understand is the comparison that people keep making (chiefjag, eric) to the Chiefs.  

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MJD isn't in the long term plans either, why are we keeping him around? Because letting him go would leave us needing immediate help at another position, for that same reason we should've retained some help on the defensive side of the ball.

 

 

They didn't cut Derek Cox, so not the same thing.

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The best ability is availability. I can understand why the new front office may not have wanted to commit to Derek Cox.

 

This.  His story was just like Durant's.  Showed enough talent to be re-signed, just not the ability to stay on the field (for us, at least.)

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

I can see the argument for Cox.  They chose not to go in that direction.  They did so for a reason and only time will tell if it is the right call.  I can understand being critical about not getting a RT in free agency and not signing Cox.  What I don't understand is the comparison that people keep making (chiefjag, eric) to the Chiefs.

The Jags tried to negotiate a deal to retain Derek Cox. Let's not portray it like they simply let him walk. He chose to take San Diego's deal.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

I liked Cox - but he's not worth what San Diego paid.  Anyone else see him get burned for a TD last week?  Letting him walk was not a mistake.  I made sense monetarily and in regard to his injury history.  

 

You heard Caldwell talk about "durability" in nearly all of his post draft press conferences.  That tells you all you need to know about the Cox situation. 

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The best ability is availability. I can understand why the new front office may not have wanted to commit to Derek Cox.

Hows that working out for Gratz and Ball?

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Its the QB stupid!

Hows that working out for Gratz and Ball?

 

Ball hasn't missed any games.

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It's too easy to lay the blame on one person. First it was Shack Harris, then David Garrard, then Del Rio, then Gene Smith, then Mularkey. Who's it going to be next? Folks, we have an organizational problem. Weaver was too loyal and Khan is a bumper salesman.

 

Regards......................the Chiefjag

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