mocking him going in the top 10 saying he is a first round qb prospect. Read the quote too

At various points, the media mocked guys like Brady Quinn and Chris Walsh in the top ten saying they were first round QB prospects.  Did the media help them too?

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This is down right hilarious. Don't forget the baby hands!!!

Did I miss something?

 

When did Bridgewater become as big as Roethlisberger?

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Oh brother shut the hell up! I've been up and down with you idiot bridgewater diciples over a year now. Please if you cannot find the hilarity in someone stating several measurable deficiencies like not having the size and elusiveness as two very good to great qbs then proceed to state that  his football IQ should be enough, then that's on you. 

 

 I simply was adding yet another measurable that bridgewater lacks in him having baby hands. I could've responded with the canned response that Johnny Football has bigger hands than both and also played better competition and has more balls and mental fortitude and a higher IQ than bridgewater but I chose not to point out the obvious. 

 

 It was very amusing to me how a bridgewater staunch supporter is so blinded by his own love affair, that he could rundown a check list of deficiencies and still yet say he's a better qb. 

 

All I did was point out another defect in bridgewaters baby hands. 

 

it's ok don't cry about it. 

 

Within the context of the discussion, I said he was smaller than Big Ben and not as mobile as McNair.

 

I did not list those traits as "deficiencies," nor did I indicate at any point that he would ever be precluded from being a good NFL QB due to his physical attributes.

 

As a matter of fact, earlier in the thread I specifically mentioned Jonathan Quinn (6-6 243), and Blaine Gabbert (6-5, 235) as examples of guys with prototype size that failed miserably in the NFL, especially when compared to Brunell (6-1)and Brees (6-0) who succeeded.

 

Of particular interest to me is the idea that just in 2011 a guy named Jake Locker could stand 6-2 (same as Bridgewater), and not in any way be castigated for lack of prototype size.  The overriding concern for him heading into the draft was his inaccuracy.

The same people constantly harping on Bridgewater for his lack of prototype size have been silent on the same issue with the shorter Manziel. 

 

There have been numerous successful NFL QBs that have not had prototype size.

 

There have NOT been many successful NFL QBs that cannot read defenses or are inaccurate.

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What part did I make up fool?

 

http://jungle.jaguars.com/index.php?/topic/4088-bridgewaters-struggles-continue/?p=176307tt

 

 

I simply was adding yet another measurable that bridgewater lacks in him having baby hands. I could've responded with the canned response that Johnny Football has bigger hands than both and also played better competition and has more balls and mental fortitude and a higher IQ than bridgewater but I chose not to point out the obvious.

 


 

 

 

How did you arrive at the better "mental fortitude" for Manziel?

 

IQ-with the Wonderlic scores, I get.

 

But "mental fortitude?"  "Balls?"

 

I'm dying to know how you measured those objectively.

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Wilsons numbers - 26 tds - 10 ints - 64% - 3,118 yards - 100 passer rating rookie year, 26 tds - 9 ints - 63%- 101 passer rating 2nd year 

Oh and won the Super Bowl 

I didnt even post his rushing yards 

Yea thats an overrated player 

 

That's just the kind of "overrated" QB I would like to see on the Jags. 

 

Wilson also led the Seahawks back from double digit deficits several times. We could use a QB like that around here.

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Wilsons numbers - 26 tds - 10 ints - 64% - 3,118 yards - 100 passer rating rookie year, 26 tds - 9 ints - 63%- 101 passer rating 2nd year

Oh and won the Super Bowl

I didnt even post his rushing yards

Yea thats an overrated player

I didn't say he was bad. Just not as good as some say. I would love if he was on this team and think he's on the top 10.

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Can the draft ever get here? This extra time is just feeding the pile on. TB is a top 10 talent and it's ludicrous to think that he'd fall out of the first round, but all this extra time requires speculation that pushes the envelope to attract attention, and eventually it just gets to be too much and too far.

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I dont rven know why this is a thread, Teddy has never struggled just ask KYjaggy

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I dont rven know why this is a thread, Teddy has never struggled just ask KYjaggy

Good luck finding a quote of me saying he has never struggled. 

 

The hyperbole on this board my god...

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Within the context of the discussion, I said he was smaller than Big Ben and not as mobile as McNair.

 

I did not list those traits as "deficiencies," nor did I indicate at any point that he would ever be precluded from being a good NFL QB due to his physical attributes.

 

As a matter of fact, earlier in the thread I specifically mentioned Jonathan Quinn (6-6 243), and Blaine Gabbert (6-5, 235) as examples of guys with prototype size that failed miserably in the NFL, especially when compared to Brunell (6-1)and Brees (6-0) who succeeded.

 

Of particular interest to me is the idea that just in 2011 a guy named Jake Locker could stand 6-2 (same as Bridgewater), and not in any way be castigated for lack of prototype size.  The overriding concern for him heading into the draft was his inaccuracy.

The same people constantly harping on Bridgewater for his lack of prototype size have been silent on the same issue with the shorter Manziel. 

 

There have been numerous successful NFL QBs that have not had prototype size.

 

There have NOT been many successful NFL QBs that cannot read defenses or are inaccurate.

 

You said it and I pointed it out as comical to me. Whats hard to understand. You mentioned two things that Tb did not poses when you compared him to these QB's and then stated that his football IQ should be enough. I don't agree. 

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How did you arrive at the better "mental fortitude" for Manziel?

 

IQ-with the Wonderlic scores, I get.

 

But "mental fortitude?"  "Balls?"

 

I'm dying to know how you measured those objectively.

 

It's easy to see the leadership and the courage that one QB has over the other. I just watch and its pretty apparent. I've looked at this very objectively. All I want is the best qb prospect fo the Jags. I dont think a geno clone is gonna do it. If you can't handle my opinions, don't read me. 

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It's easy to see the leadership and the courage that one QB has over the other. I just watch and its pretty apparent. I've looked at this very objectively. All I want is the best qb prospect fo the Jags. I dont think a geno clone is gonna do it. If you can't handle my opinions, don't read me.

Whoa there sparky.


I said nothing whatsoever about being unable to handle or stomach your opinions. I actually have enjoyed your posts.


This particular post to which you responded was a response to you asking what you made up, as though everything you've offered was objectively measurable and verifiable and in no way subjective.


That struck me as a little funny when viewed though your "balls" analysis I referenced.


How does one objectively measure balls? That was more the gist.


I am not saying there is no way to watch Manziel and conclude what you did.


I do suggest that moves you see as "ballsy" or "gutsy" or having mental "fortitude" can be viewed by another knowledgeable observer as prematurely and unnecessary bailing from the pocket and not letting plays develop as designed.

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Whoa there sparky.


I said nothing whatsoever about being unable to handle or stomach your opinions. I actually have enjoyed your posts.


This particular post to which you responded was a response to you asking what you made up, as though everything you've offered was objectively measurable and verifiable and in no way subjective.


That struck me as a little funny when viewed though your "balls" analysis I referenced.


How does one objectively measure balls? That was more the gist.


I am not saying there is no way to watch Manziel and conclude what you did.


I do suggest that moves you see as "ballsy" or "gutsy" or having mental "fortitude" can be viewed by another knowledgeable observer as prematurely and unnecessary bailing from the pocket and not letting plays develop as designed.

 

I know that your being facetious in trying to corner me into elaborating on the "balls" comment. No, I have no ability or have ever had the ability to measure someone's "balls" or more appropriately their guts.    I just prefer Johnny Manziel's style and think that it would make the Jags more dynamic and appealing in more ways than one. It's all subjective and I can see why someone would really like TB as a prospect. 

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Of particular interest to me is the idea that just in 2011 a guy named Jake Locker could stand 6-2 (same as Bridgewater), and not in any way be castigated for lack of prototype size.  The overriding concern for him heading into the draft was his inaccuracy.

The same people constantly harping on Bridgewater for his lack of prototype size have been silent on the same issue with the shorter Manziel. 

 

There have been numerous successful NFL QBs that have not had prototype size.

 

There have NOT been many successful NFL QBs that cannot read defenses or are inaccurate.

 

Locker weighed in nearly 20 pounds heavier than Bridgewater.  And he wasnt carbo loading before his combine in order to put on weight the way Bridgewater was.


Its not Bridgewater's height that is the problem, although ideally you'd rather a guy drafted that high be 6'4 or 6'5, but its the weight.  He looks like a twig.  And the fact that he dropped weight before his pro day isnt encouraging.  If he cant keep on weight during the offseason when he is trying to put on as many pounds as possible, just wait until a full NFL season.  Could risk dropping below 200 pounds pretty easily.  He's a twig.  And its a concern.

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