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Around the time last year the Chiefs were desperate for a QB. They took a long look at the incoming rookie crop and determined that they would be better served trading two 2nd round picks for then available Alex Smith. It turned out to be the tight move.


If we were able to go back in time would we have been better off going after A. Smith? Is there a scenario this year where we would be better off trading for a QB on another team or sticking to the available rookie crop?

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Alex Smith is a game manager at best, yes we'd be better with him but he has a ceiling, I don't think he has the ability to lead a team to the SB without an extremely strong D/Run game, 

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Smith was the perfect QB for what the Chiefs were building: a veteran team far better than its two-win total the prior season, which was a few key positions away from a playoff run. In that regard, he was absolutely successful.

 

I don't think he's the type of QB that a young team would want to build around, though, and for that reason I'm glad we didn't spend a pick on him.

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A rebuilding team shouldn't give up two high draft picks for a QB that is meant to win now.

 

By the time the rest of the team catches up to the QB, it may be time to move on from that QB. All you are doing is extending your rebuild process for a guy who won't be able to make an impact until the roster is rebuilt anyway.

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Alex Smith is a game manager at best, yes we'd be better with him but he has a ceiling, I don't think he has the ability to lead a team to the SB without an extremely strong D/Run game,

Sounds like Bridgewater and Bortles

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We're so bad that the best thing to do is stay bad for a while and load up on top draft picks.  Winning 6 or 7  games each year is worse then just tanking for a few years and ending up with some playmakers that will elevate this team to the playoffs.

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KC had bad timing in when they were awful. And then Reid hitched his wagon to a mediocre QB like Alex Smith. Not only do you have to give up picks for him but you also have to pay him. Double whammy.

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I still don't think it was the right move. Good move if you want to be mediocre but not if you want to win a Super Bowl.

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I still don't think it was the right move. Good move if you want to be mediocre but not if you want to win a Super Bowl.

 

^this.

 

I don't care for the move and would have liked it even less had the Jaguars made the deal.  He's 'good enough' to keep them from a decent draft pick for several years and 'good enough' to carry the team to the playoffs but I don't see them winning many playoffs games with him there.  You never know though, once you get to the dance, you can get hot and anything can happen.  

 

That team was a 2-14 team with a 10+ win roster when Smith/Reid took over.

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The hate for Alex Smith is hilarious.

 

Good enough if you want to be mediocre but not good enough to win the superbowl?  

 

Well, step 1 in winning the superbowl is making the playoffs.  You know, something we haven't been even close to since 2007.

 

Also, it's not like he's been Andy Dalton in the playoffs.  He put up huge numbers in his loss to the Colts, where the defense allowed something like 40 2nd half points.  

 

He didn't make every throw in the world, but nobody does.   Alex Smith was good enough to win in the playoffs.

 

I just find it funny when Jaguars fans look at Alex Smith or even Andy Dalton and pretend like they're crap and that we don't need them/want them.  

 

When we find someone even close to how good they are, maybe we can talk.  Until then, we look very foolish.  What's wrong with being perennial playoff teams?  OK, they have their heart broken on one day in the playoffs.. but you know what?  They had MONTHS of hope and fun in the season that included 10+ wins.

 

Jaguars on the other hand?  By halftime in our season opener all hope was lost.  We knew we sucked, and frankly a lot of the season was unwatchable, embarrassing, and just not fun.

 

If the Chiefs don't think Smith can lead them to a superbowl... they should just draft another QB.  3rd round or whatever.  Keep looking, just like everyone else is.

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The hate for Alex Smith is hilarious.
 
Good enough if you want to be mediocre but not good enough to win the superbowl?  
 
Well, step 1 in winning the superbowl is making the playoffs.  You know, something we haven't been even close to since 2007.
 
Also, it's not like he's been Andy Dalton in the playoffs.  He put up huge numbers in his loss to the Colts, where the defense allowed something like 40 2nd half points.  
 
He didn't make every throw in the world, but nobody does.   Alex Smith was good enough to win in the playoffs.
 
I just find it funny when Jaguars fans look at Alex Smith or even Andy Dalton and pretend like they're crap and that we don't need them/want them.  
 
When we find someone even close to how good they are, maybe we can talk.  Until then, we look very foolish.  What's wrong with being perennial playoff teams?  OK, they have their heart broken on one day in the playoffs.. but you know what?  They had MONTHS of hope and fun in the season that included 10+ wins.
 
Jaguars on the other hand?  By halftime in our season opener all hope was lost.  We knew we sucked, and frankly a lot of the season was unwatchable, embarrassing, and just not fun.
 
If the Chiefs don't think Smith can lead them to a superbowl... they should just draft another QB.  3rd round or whatever.  Keep looking, just like everyone else is.

Smith being better than our QBs doesnt make it a good trade he would have put up marginally better numbers than Henne. The guy is average, he will never lead a team anywhere. At best he will be a cog in a great team. 2 second round picks should be major long term building blocks, Smith is not that.

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Just to be different, Bortles.

Smith is Garrard essentially

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I think that it was an 'okay' move for Kansas City, and it would have been a bad move for Jacksonville.

 

As stated above, Kansas City really did have a 10+ win roster going into the 2013 Draft. They had a Defense armed with Pass Rushers and a really good Safety in terms of Hali and Berry, they had weapons on Offense in the case of Charles and Bowe. They just needed a Quarterback to make the thing move. While I don't think that Smith is an upper echelon QB, he is obviously good enough to win you a few games. I think the trade worked out well for that team.

 

As for Jacksonville, the roster was rather stinking bare and still kinda is. To trade away two "starting caliber" draft selections for one guy, would not have been advisable.

 

Good for them, woulda been bad for us.

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Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

I think that it was an 'okay' move for Kansas City, and it would have been a bad move for Jacksonville.

 

As stated above, Kansas City really did have a 10+ win roster going into the 2013 Draft. They had a Defense armed with Pass Rushers and a really good Safety in terms of Hali and Berry, they had weapons on Offense in the case of Charles and Bowe. They just needed a Quarterback to make the thing move. While I don't think that Smith is an upper echelon QB, he is obviously good enough to win you a few games. I think the trade worked out well for that team.

 

As for Jacksonville, the roster was rather stinking bare and still kinda is. To trade away two "starting caliber" draft selections for one guy, would not have been advisable.

 

Good for them, woulda been bad for us.

 

Agreed.  KC was significantly better than their record 2 years ago.  The Jaguars were very much deserving of their record.  This team was wise not to trade for Smith based on where it was last year when that was an option.  Smith wouldn't have done anything to change the fortunes for the Jaguars beyond the 4 wins they wound up compiling.

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Agreed.  KC was significantly better than their record 2 years ago.  The Jaguars were very much deserving of their record.  This team was wise not to trade for Smith based on where it was last year when that was an option.  Smith wouldn't have done anything to change the fortunes for the Jaguars beyond the 4 wins they wound up compiling.

 

And the roster issues would have been amplified due to the team not having those two picks in the Second Round. While it may, 'may', may have given the fanbase a nice sense of comfort to add Smith to the Gabbert-Henne QB competition, it would have proved to be detrimental in the long run.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

And the roster issues would have been amplified due to the team not having those two picks in the Second Round. While it may, 'may', may have given the fanbase a nice sense of comfort to add Smith to the Gabbert-Henne QB competition, it would have proved to be detrimental in the long run.

 

I honestly don't think anyone would have been overly excited if Smith came to Jacksonville.  The cost alone would have put the team in a bad position.

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I still think that trade was crap. 

 

I wouldn't have given a single 2nd rounder for Alex Smith, let alone 2. 

 

One single 3rd or 4th rounder is probably as far as I'd go. To me thats proper value for the level of QB that is. 

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I still think that trade was crap. 

 

I wouldn't have given a single 2nd rounder for Alex Smith, let alone 2. 

 

One single 3rd or 4th rounder is probably as far as I'd go. To me thats proper value for the level of QB that is. 

 

Reid, Andy

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

I think this team would have been better with Smith of course, but... Would I go back and try to make a trade for Smith? No, I wouldn't..

 

My thinking is that making a play for Smith would have of course decreased the need for another QB not named Henne or Gabbert. But (barring injury), I don't think this organisation would be so fixed on finding a long term answer with the QB spot as it is now, and Smith is not a long term answer. And I'd much rather have Manziel, Teddy, Bortles, Carr, Garoppolo (sp?) ect.. 

 

So I think the stars are aligning in this organisations favor for once.. Glad they never took the chance on Smith.. Could have just delayed the inevitable.. 

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Reid, Andy

 

If it was Andy making that deal, I have no problem giving him the blame. 2 second rounders is too much in exchange for Alex Smith, no matter who made that deal. 

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