My thing with the quarterbacks is this:

 

Most people are writing them off as flawed prospects and their value is dropping because teams are realizing this.  My view is that they are just as good as most of the other top 10 quarterback prospects in the last 20 years, but this draft is particularly deeper and there are more top level prospects which will push these quarterbacks back some.  Add the fact that the middle of the round has security at their current QB position.  You have 2 elite level rushers, 2 elite level receivers, 2-3 elite level tackles, and then you have 4 very intriguing prospects that teams could easily fall in love with in Barr, Ebron, Gilbert, and Dennard.  Then add in 4 quarterbacks with 1st round value.  That's an equation for at least 1 or 2 of the QBs to fall just by virtue of the board.

 

Let's not forget, though... if there were a QB there without holes in the resume... he'd be already pegged as Houston's pick and there would certainly be no discussion and no wavering.

 

That's why it's so difficult to peg who will be the first team to reach, when, and when the "run" may start.

 

Instead, as you suggest, there's better talent at other positions that allow teams to go with the pick with less risk.

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My version of this draft would look like this:

 

#3 - Johnny Manziel QB

#39 - Jordan Matthews WR

#70 - Pierre Desir FS

#105 - Jordan Tripp OLB

#114 - Daniel McCullers DT

#144 - Travis Swanson C

#150 - Larry Webster TE (too much athleticism not to convert)

#159 - Brandon Thomas OG

#179 - Michael Sam - LEO (he has a quick enough burst)

#205 - Brett Smith - QB

#222 - David Fluellen RB

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FBT blasting TMD for nothing? Sounds like every thread on this board.... Nice.


Actually don't mind this draft. Obviously TMD wants to trade down and still get Teddy which is definitely possible.


Read a great article on Desir today.... Like him. I would rather take Mettenberger over Murray if both are avaiLable but I think Mett goes 2nd/3rd. Not bad at all though.

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FBT blasting TMD for nothing? Sounds like every thread on this board.... Nice.


Actually don't mind this draft. Obviously TMD wants to trade down and still get Teddy which is definitely possible.


Read a great article on Desir today.... Like him. I would rather take Mettenberger over Murray if both are avaiLable but I think Mett goes 2nd/3rd. Not bad at all though.

 

I'm not blasting him at all.  I'm holding him to the same standards he does others.  I don't necessarily agree with some of the picks, but I get it. 

 

I agree on Mettenberger.  I think he could be an interesting guy on the right roster.  Sounds like he's got his head on straight, and he's doing extremely well with his rehab. 

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Let's not forget, though... if there were a QB there without holes in the resume... he'd be already pegged as Houston's pick and there would certainly be no discussion and no wavering.

 

That's why it's so difficult to peg who will be the first team to reach, when, and when the "run" may start.

 

Instead, as you suggest, there's better talent at other positions that allow teams to go with the pick with less risk.

 

I can't think of a quarterback other than Andrew Luck, ever, who had no flaws coming out of college.  These guys are every bit as good as the other QBs to come out - some being slightly better and some being slightly worse.

 

Dave is no fool.  He's about as dialed in of a GM as I've seen.  I think he sees that at least 2 of the quarterbacks will be sitting there in the 20s and one may even possibly drop to #39.  I think he's determined that the value isn't there at #3, and realizes there may be a ton of value later and he's going to take the wait-and-see approach with how the rest of the first round unfolds.

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Only thing I really don't like about this mock is taking a RB at #105 when there's probably a center on the board there that projects to be much better than Brewster.  (also a receiver like Abbrederis or Shaquelle Evans makes more sense there than a RB)

 

The rest of it I could kinda' live with.  

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I like where desir is slotted. I think 3 is technically bad value for Bridgewater at this point but I know TMD thinks very highly of him, so if that's where you know you can get him, then I say take him....and I can't fault the pick. Niklas is this fantasy scenario created by TMD. He isn't on the level of other notre dame tight end Kyle Rudolph in terms of pass catching ability. Terrible pick. I hate the rb pick. If you're going bb to draft one to split carries with Toby then I would prefer a complimentary back, maybe tre mason or Crowell. If that guard is available there, great pick. And also spending such a high pick on teddy makes the Murray pick that early seem kind of silly. Other qbs can be snagged in rd 5 or 6 that would be a viable backup.

 

 

overall it really isn't terrible minus the niklas pick but you blasted every article and professional alive for creating "puff" and then you come out and give us exactly that. You can never just play your hand and stick with it. You always have to dance around and have your hidden caveats or stipulations. How do you even decide where to eat dinner when you constantly are flopping over the fence?

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Only thing I really don't like about this mock is taking a RB at #105 when there's probably a center on the board there that projects to be much better than Brewster. 

 

The rest of it I could Kinda' live with.  

 

who.....like a Stork??....

 

IMO, the difference between the Center you're going to get at that point is probably not all that much different than the Center I mocked us getting in the 7th. The 4th round guy would prob be better, but by not all that much. 

 

West, OTOH, can play. I could envision him being a big part of the running game/ offense. 

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I like where desir is slotted. I think 3 is technically bad value for Bridgewater at this point but I know TMD thinks very highly of him, so if that's where you know you can get him, then I say take him....and I can't fault the pick. Niklas is this fantasy scenario created by TMD. He isn't on the level of other notre dame tight end Kyle Rudolph in terms of pass catching ability. Terrible pick. I hate the rb pick. If you're going bb to draft one to split carries with Toby then I would prefer a complimentary back, maybe tre mason or Crowell. If that guard is available there, great pick. And also spending such a high pick on teddy makes the Murray pick that early seem kind of silly. Other qbs can be snagged in rd 5 or 6 that would be a viable backup.

 

 

overall it really isn't terrible minus the niklas pick but you blasted every article and professional alive for creating "puff" and then you come out and give us exactly that. You can never just play your hand and stick with it. You always have to dance around and have your hidden caveats or stipulations. How do you even decide where to eat dinner when you constantly are flopping over the fence?

 

Tre Mason likely won't be there at that pick, but if he is, I'd agree I'd take him over West if it panned out that way. 

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I disagree with TMD a lot, but this thread is a witchhunt.

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I disagree with TMD a lot, but this thread is a witchhunt.

 

Ummmmm, he started it. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Ummmmm, he started it.

When does your mock come out?

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West, OTOH, can play. I could envision him being an unnecessary
  part of the running game/ offense. 

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Abbrederis or Shaquelle Evans would also be better picks there IMO - more than a RB.   It's all good  - you don't have confidence in Gerhart/Todman /Robinson.  I do.  That's why I don't like the pick. No big deal.  

 

(I was thinking Swanson more than Stork, BTW.)

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When does your mock come out?

 

I've never claimed I would do one.  It's not my thing.  What's your point?  I'm not allowed to disagree with a mock without wasting my time in doing one?  Is that it?

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who.....like a Stork??....

 

IMO, the difference between the Center you're going to get at that point is probably not all that much different than the Center I mocked us getting in the 7th. The 4th round guy would prob be better, but by not all that much. 

 

West, OTOH, can play. I could envision him being a big part of the running game/ offense. 

 

Well, the guy you mocked in the 7th, Larsen, is arguably one of the best, if not the best center, in the entire draft so I don't doubt that.  I'd skip center too if I knew I could get a 3rd or 4th round center in the 7th.

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Abbrederis or Shaquelle Evans would also be better picks there IMO - more than a RB. It's all good - you don't have confidence in Gerhart/Todman /Robinson. I do. That's why I don't like the pick. No big deal.


(I was thinking Swanson more than Stork, BTW.)

I think Shaq Evans is too often overlooked in the conversation of receivers in this draft, I wouldn't be surprised if he's a steal

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I've never claimed I would do one.  It's not my thing.  What's your point?  I'm not allowed to disagree with a mock without wasting my time in doing one?  Is that it?

I'm just curious as to who you think we should draft in each round.

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Abbrederis or Shaquelle Evans would also be better picks there IMO - more than a RB.   It's all good  - you don't have confidence in Gerhart/Todman /Robinson.  I do.  That's why I don't like the pick. No big deal.  

 

(I was thinking Swanson more than Stork, BTW.)

 

 

I do have confidence in Gerhart....

 

Todman's decent, and is good as the COP back, but Robinson, I agree....as much as I love the raw talent he possesses, I haven't seen it translate to the role we have been trying to utilize him in. 

 

He's really not built like a RB and simply doesn't look comfortable trying to run inside. 

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I'm just curious as to who you think we should draft in each round.

 

I could probably do the same thing as TMD, cutting and pasting from a host of mock drafts, but what's the point? 

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Not sure what the infatuation with Troy Niklas is...

 

Especially when WRs that could potentially develop into #1 can be had at #39.

 

I see Niklas actually very similar to Marcedes Lewis, a guy you hate on this team. 

 

I guess he'd be cheaper than Marcedes, but in terms of skillset, I don't see them much different.

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