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 Find someone to blame before we start.

 

It is a decision we have no control over.
 I had nothing to do with it.

If you have no control, why stress over it.
  Time for a drink.

 

HeadSlap

 

Fixed.

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It's not a matter of if Bortles starts this season but when

 

Well, if that "when" is no sooner than game 9, then I agree. 

 

Manning led the league in interceptions, but he came back with a vengeance the next year. Why? Because he's a good quarterback. Bortles is going to make mistakes, a lot of them. But good quarterbacks can put those behind them. Manning did. 

 

 

On the opposite side of the spectrum, whenever Blaine made a mistake, it took the air out of the offense for the rest of the game. He clearly didn't have the mental fortitude to get over it. Based on everything the coaches have said, Bortle's personality is completely the opposite.

 

Manning is not an equal comparison. Manning was not a "raw" QB entering the NFL. Bortles is. 

 

How about the McNabb example...he was drafted 2 overall, but didn't start his first game until week 10 his rookie year. 

 

I would not start BB until the offensive line gels and the new receivers are running the right routes. I want to give him the best chance of immediate success by eliminating the kind of distractions that come from wrong routes and bad pass blocking. I think we all bear the mental scars from the Blaine Gabbert experience. I think part of the reason for that abysmal failure was rushing him into starting without adequate support from the play of his offensive line and WRs. I, for one, am sick of seeing our QB and WR have a sideline discussion after an Int or interception.

 

Agreed. 

 

I'd much rather Blake sit for at least the first half of the season even if Chad is playing poorly.

 

Agreed also

 

I am and will always be pro play the rookie. Let them learn by doing.


Manning has said he thought he learned a lot by starting as a rookie and believe rookies should play early. I'm not sure why JW used Elway and Manning to make her point. They both developed just fine.

 

Glad you aren't the coach. 

 

You apparently learned little from the Gabbert mistake. 

 

And before you start in with the Bortles isn't Gabbert stuff, save it, they are still similar in that both shouldn't have been rushed. Fortunately it seems like Caldwell and Bradley are smarter than the impatient fans here. 

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Well, if that "when" is no sooner than game 9, then I agree. 

 


 

Manning is not an equal comparison. Manning was not a "raw" QB entering the NFL. Bortles is. 

 

How about the McNabb example...he was drafted 2 overall, but didn't start his first game until week 10 his rookie year. 

 


 

Agreed. 

 


 

Agreed also

 


 

Glad you aren't the coach. 

 

You apparently learned little from the Gabbert mistake. 

 

And before you start in with the Bortles isn't Gabbert stuff, save it, they are still similar in that both shouldn't have been rushed. Fortunately it seems like Caldwell and Bradley are smarter than the impatient fans here.

Agree with the last paragraph. This bunch is smart enough to learn from the mistakes of the past regime. Better to be safe, and take there time bringing their guy along than to rush it and create problems. Bortles needs time to develop. Let it happen. There isn't some pending sense of urgency driving them to get him on the field.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

The most likely outcome is Blake is starting week one. I don't care what Caldwell says. QBs drafted in the 1st round do not sit anymore. Just doesn't happen.

 

No, that isn't the most likely outcome. Maybe the most stupid outcome, but not most likely one. 

 

McNabb and Rodgers sat initially and benefitted from it. McNabb was drafted 2 overall. 1 ahead of Blake. 

 

Unlike gabbert I don't think bortles is scared in the pocket  so putting him in early will not effect him unless our line cannot protect at all. No one wants him in if he is getting slammed to the ground 5-10 times per game. If our o-line is ok he should be just fine after the offseason and training camp.

 

LOL....simplesimon logic

 

Another thing: It's stating the obvious, but he's a football player. I don't see how removing a player from a season's worth of in-game action is beneficial to his development. He was seen as an ascending player starting at the college level. Isn't it just as reasonable to believe that him NOT playing will stifle his progress? Why do people seem to think that practice is the only way he will learn/improve.

 

Thats why you aren't coaching/ making NFL decisions....well, thats probably not the only reason....but fits anyway...

 

I think it comes down to those preseason games. If he goes into them lighting it up they're not gonna sit him. People are saying it's no expectations this year are blind because over 8,000 people don't come out to a rookie mini camp if it weren't any. If you were a veteran on this team like Chris Clemons or another player I bet they have high expectations to win this year. If Bortles gives you the best chance to win you play him and I think he's a better option than Henne is.

 

Good Lord....  

 

You can't let those expectations-fan expectations-dictate football decisions.

 

Fan expectations would have had us hiring Spurrier and drafting Tebow.

 

Fan expectations would have us going for every 4th down.

 

Fan expectations would have us firing a coach every week.

 

I LOVE the buzz and excitement growing around this team.

 

But nothing would short circuit that buzz more quickly or effectively than putting in Bortles before he is ready.

 

Thank God, someone with some sense, finally....

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The moment this group let's the fans dictate personnel decisions, they're done.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

You can practice all you want.  The only way for him to get the experience he needs is to play.  I'm convinced that once he's proven to be the better option at QB and is comfortable running the offense, he'll start.  

 

Green Bay sat Discount Doublecheck because they had one of the all-time greats still playing well.  Palmer sat behind Kitna who was an above average QB who knew the offense and still had a chance to take them to the playoffs.

 

People here are sooooo worried about Bortles being ruined "like Gabbert".  What you fail to realize is that Gabbert was never good from the start.  He wasn't ruined.  He just sucked.

 

Gabbert isn't the only QB that was ruined by a hasty insertion to the starting lineup...just one of the more recent examples. 

 

Debating this is somewhat silly, as the coaches will ultimately make the decision. They already indicate that they want to sit him and improve some of his weak areas before asking him to play. Nothing wrong with that. Also, getting an intimate knowledge of the playbook will also be a huge factor in Bortles being ready to go. If he has to stop and think about anything, he's already behind, and it will work against him and his development.

 

The Jags are prepared as a team to wait on Bortles. We as fans should be realistic about it and follow suit.

 

Agreed. I wish we had smarter fans. More need to see it like the above. 

 

Chandler was always a journeyman QB at best.

 

Kitna was horrible.

 

However, your list of rookie QBs to get PT in their rookie years is impressive.

 

That said, I believe Bortles will play some this year.

 

I believe Bortles will play some this year as well. But it likely won't be until the 2nd half of the season. 

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The moment this group let's the fans dictate personnel decisions, they're done.

 

Yep...and especially some of these impatient fans posting

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TMD comes back with a vengeance spouting true knowledge! It looks good on you my friend.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

They know best. It worked on Madden.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

The moment this group let's the fans dictate personnel decisions, they're done.

 

We'd be celebrating our 5th superbowl had they hit me up five years ago.  but noooo....

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Glad you aren't the coach.


You apparently learned little from the Gabbert mistake.


And before you start in with the Bortles isn't Gabbert stuff, save it, they are still similar in that both shouldn't have been rushed. Fortunately it seems like Caldwell and Bradley are smarter than the impatient fans here.

You're not even understanding what I'm saying. I truly believe a qb is better off starting early to get his feet wet. My reasoning isn't because I'm impatient it's because I believe you learn more playing than you do sitting.


No one is wrong because this can't be proven either way. Qbs have failed starting early and qbs have succeeded. Qbs have failed sitting and qbs have succeeded sitting.


And I'm not saving the Bortles and Gabbert comment. Gabbert was destined to fail because he was a bad qb. One year holding a clipboard wasn't going to magically improve his pocket presence.


I'm glad you aren't the coach either because we'd still have Dan lefevour slinging the rock. See, I can do stupid petty insults too!

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You're not even understanding what I'm saying. I truly believe a qb is better off starting early to get his feet wet. My reasoning isn't because I'm impatient it's because I believe you learn more playing than you do sitting.


No one is wrong because this can't be proven either way. Qbs have failed starting early and qbs have succeeded. Qbs have failed sitting and qbs have succeeded sitting.


And I'm not saving the Bortles and Gabbert comment. Gabbert was destined to fail because he was a bad qb. One year holding a clipboard wasn't going to magically improve his pocket presence.


I'm glad you aren't the coach either because we'd still have Dan lefevour slinging the rock. See, I can do stupid petty insults too!

 

No we wouldn't still have Lefeavor slinging the rock. I don't give players unlimited chances to fail. 

 

I disagree with your way. 

 

I'd much rather handle the situation like the Eagles did with McNabb. 

 

We have 4 new OL starters this year, as well as many new offensive skill players. Let the offense sort itself out with the veteran Henne under Center for at least the first 8 games, and then re-evaluate at that point. 

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Like I said previously, you don't want your prized pick to get his feet set behind a line that has one starter returning, and he had half a game as a starter at his position.


Nothing good can come from that.


At least Henne has proven he can take a beating.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

No, that isn't the most likely outcome. Maybe the most stupid outcome, but not most likely one. 

 

McNabb and Rodgers sat initially and benefitted from it. McNabb was drafted 2 overall. 1 ahead of Blake. 

 

How is doing something almost nobody does the most likely?  I know they said they Henne will start the entire season, but even you're not taking that literally.  I actually don't mind if Bortles starts this season or not.  I just don't think it's automatically the best thing for the franchise that they sit him a full year before the QBs are even evaluated.  I also don't like just handing Henne a guaranteed starting job (given his track record).   

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How is doing something almost nobody does the most likely?  I know they said they Henne will start the entire season, but even you're not taking that literally.  I actually don't mind if Bortles starts this season or not.  I just don't think it's automatically the best thing for the franchise that they sit him a full year before the QBs are even evaluated.  I also don't like just handing Henne a guaranteed starting job (given his track record).

Is handing Henne the job this year hurting anything? Is it costing this team something in 2014?

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Is handing Henne the job this year hurting anything? Is it costing this team something in 2014?

 

Nope. 

 

People gotta realize, this team likely isn't a playoff contender in 2014. Its merely another stepping stone towards that goal.. 

 

By 2015, yeah, I think its fair to expect a playoff year by then. 

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Is handing Henne the job this year hurting anything? Is it costing this team something in 2014?

 

Probably not.  But if it ever becomes apparent to the players that they are playing the wrong guy, it's kind of a problem.  This is no part of Gus' message that I can recall.  I know you said it's different with the QB, but explain that to the rest of the team ...

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Nope. 

 

People gotta realize, this team likely isn't a playoff contender in 2014. Its merely another stepping stone towards that goal.. 

 

By 2015, yeah, I think its fair to expect a playoff year by then. 

If Bortles wins the job and plays good it's easily a playoff year. 

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If Bortles wins the job and plays good it's easily a playoff year. 

 

Don't see it. 

 

This next year is our Dallas 1990 year....i.e. the 7-9 ish type year on the precipice of great things but not there yet. 

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another example of a player riding the shiny pine was phillip rivers and he turned out pretty good.

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