Am I wrong to say that there really isn't any special trait that Carr has over the other prospects that would warrant a 1st round grade?
 

 

 

Arm strength, quick release, experience, football IQ, pedigree.

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Arm strength and quick release, maybe.  But a lot of prospects in the past who failed to make it work in the NFL had good arm strength.  It helps that a prospect has nice arm strength, but it shouldn't be a sole reason why he receives a first round grade.

 

Experiece -- well, most of the QB prospects have all had at least 3-4 years of experience, and some had much tougher competition than Carr.  Not sure why you made this a point.

 

Football IQ -- how do you quantify such a thing? Is there any concrete proof that he has better "football IQ" than Bridgewater or Manziel? Also, I hate the term "football iq".  So what if a player can memorize the playbook faster than other players, it dosen't do him much if he gets rattle and had no idea what to do after he takes a couple of hits.  Personally, I like the term "football instinct" better because it pertains to pocket awareness and knowing what to do when things break down.  If that the case, Carr is the worst among the top 5 because data have shown that he sucks when being pressured.

 

Pedigree -- hmm...not something Carr should brag about.

 

I'm not saying that carr won't work out and have a solid career.  I'm just saying that as a "prospect" -- based on his whole body of work and compare that to his peers and previous classes -- he is defnitely not a first rounder.

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Arm strength and quick release, maybe.  But a lot of prospects in the past who failed to make it work in the NFL had good arm strength.  It helps that a prospect has nice arm strength, but it shouldn't be a sole reason why he receives a first round grade.

 

Experiece -- well, most of the QB prospects have all had at least 3-4 years of experience, and some had much tougher competition than Carr.  Not sure why you made this a point.

 

Football IQ -- how do you quantify such a thing? Is there any concrete proof that he has better "football IQ" than Bridgewater or Manziel? Also, I hate the term "football iq".  So what if a player can memorize the playbook faster than other players, it dosen't do him much if he gets rattle and had no idea what to do after he takes a couple of hits.  Personally, I like the term "football instinct" better because it pertains to pocket awareness and knowing what to do when things break down.  If that the case, Carr is the worst among the top 5 because data have shown that he sucks when being pressured.

 

Pedigree -- hmm...not something Carr should brag about.

 

I'm not saying that carr won't work out and have a solid career.  I'm just saying that as a "prospect" -- based on his whole body of work and compare that to his peers and previous classes -- he is defnitely not a first rounder.

 

 

A player's grade isn't about comparison. Either Carr is graded in the first round or he is not. It doesn't matter where he fits within the QB rankings; 10 QB's could have first round grades or 0 QB's could have first round grades. You could be the 8th best QB and still have a first round grade or be the top QB and receive a second round grade.

 

 

Arm strength & quick release- So what? You know what prospects don't make it in the NFL? Weak armed slow-release QB's. That's a weak argument.

 

Experience- Why? Because it is true. I didn't say he has more experience or other QB's don't have any experience. He started 3 years against defenses that scheme just the same as anyone else.

 

Football IQ- Football instinct is something different. Reading defenses and knowing the playbook is an important part of being a QB.

 

Pedigree- Why not? Seriously... his brother was drafted number one overall to an expansion team that had no resemblance to an NFL team. They had zero veteran leadership and a O-Line that was terrible. So David was a first round talent but Derek is not?

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I've been the only one around here on the Carrmobile for a while now. I would absolutely pick him ahead of Manziel...and maybe ahead of Bortles too depending on how quick I needed him to start.


Give him a year and change to sit and learn and he could be the best QB from this class.

I agree. I've said this for a while as well.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

They're trying to sucker the Jaguars into selecting him.....just like in 2011 with Gabbert, when it worked. 

 

There are no words for how dumb this statement is.

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Just to be different, Bortles.

Well he and his brother have a similar scouting report.  David Carr went 1st overall in the draft.  That alone would make you consider someone as a potential first rounder.  That David failed will probably hinder Derek's stock.

 

Here's even a source, for the people who like sources: 


 

 

 

A player who is a near duplicate of a former consensus No. 1 pick would ordinarily have an advantage on draft day. But GMs face a rare conundrum in this case, unsure of how to grapple with scouting reports on Derek. On one hand, his 50 touchdown passes and only eight interceptions last season suggests that he has all the tools to be a franchise quarterback; Browns coach Mike Pettine calls him the "best natural thrower in the draft." But then there are the issues: Below-average poise and toughness within the pocket; will anticipate pressure and look to protect his frame instead of sitting in 
and delivering the ball.

It's a valid rap. It's also arguably a fixable one. And given Carr's talent, it seems strange that pocket-pressure worries might drop him out of the first round. The problem is that his scouting report echoes what teams said about David -- after it became clear that his career was a bust. "It's an issue," says one NFC scout. "If their makeup is the same, then there is concern."

Source: http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/...ted-career

 

I think some team could take a flier on him.  And they could either come out looking really good, or come out looking like they wasted a pick.  It's a huge gamble.  Not just because of his brother.  But because while issues can be fixed.  That doesn't mean they will be fixed.  Teams are often desperate for a Quarterback.  So they take one with attributes they like, and figure they can fix the ones they don't.  The ones with the best attributes don't always succeed because their flaws prevent them from doing so.  

 

QB's are a little like houses I think.  Sometimes they need some repair.  If you have someone that's good at their job, you might be able to fix it.  But sometimes the best workers still can't do anything about it, and you just have to build anew.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

Arm strength, quick release, experience, football IQ, pedigree.

 

You left out punting.

 

Good thing Gene Smith is gone.

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A player's grade isn't about comparison. Either Carr is graded in the first round or he is not. It doesn't matter where he fits within the QB rankings; 10 QB's could have first round grades or 0 QB's could have first round grades. You could be the 8th best QB and still have a first round grade or be the top QB and receive a second round grade.

That has nothing to do with what I said.  There is a grading system where they compare current prospects to past prospects for a reason.  For example, how does his body of work compare to previous class of prospects i.e. Sam Bradford, Stafford, Gabbert, Ponder...etc.  Tell me, what body of work that Carr has shown on game tape that he is a first round grade?


 

Arm strength & quick release- So what? You know what prospects don't make it in the NFL? Weak armed slow-release QB's. That's a weak argument.

A lot of QB selected in the first, mid to late round who had good arm stregnth and release faded out of the league after a couple of years. 


 

Experience- Why? Because it is true. I didn't say he has more experience or other QB's don't have any experience. He started 3 years against defenses that scheme just the same as anyone else.

It's an irrelevant arguement because most prospects who entered the draft have had at least 3-4 years of starting experience. 


 

Football IQ- Football instinct is something different. Reading defenses and knowing the playbook is an important part of being a QB. 

How is he going to response to being pressured in the NFL when he can't even do that in college (when compare to other prospects in this class)?


 

Pedigree- Why not? Seriously... his brother was drafted number one overall to an expansion team that had no resemblance to an NFL team. They had zero veteran leadership and a O-Line that was terrible. So David was a first round talent but Derek is not?

Aaron Rogers is a future HoF, but Jordan (is that his name?) Rogers went undrafted and was cut by....the Jags.

 

Before this become a flame thread (that is not my intention), I am actually very curious to know how exactly did Carr climb up the draft board in the eyes of the media.  This is one of the strangest rise up the draft board -- or just straight hyping from the media -- from a QB that I've seen in a couple of years.

 

This is his game against USC.  All I see is that he ran the typical spread offense where dropbacks and footwork weren't required.  Correct me if I'm wrong but this is all I see: a first-read, get the ball out of his hand as fast as possible, bubble screens to the left/right with an occasional roll out to the left/right.  He didn't make any adjustment from the line of scrimmage.  In fact, I don't see much pressure from the USC pass rushers at all, mostly because he got the ball out of his hand to his first read as fast as he could.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8zGUnF3atI#t=273

(Again, I just don't see it.  What is it that people are seeing that I can't see myself?)

 

If there's another video where Carr actually displayed first round material on game tape, please post it.  I really want to see it.

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Before this become a flame thread (that is not my intention), I am actually very curious to know how exactly did Carr climb up the draft board in the eyes of the media. This is one of the strangest rise up the draft board -- or just straight hyping from the media -- from a QB that I've seen in a couple of years.


This is his game against USC. All I see is that he ran the typical spread offense where dropbacks and footwork weren't required. Correct me if I'm wrong but this is all I see: a first-read, get the ball out of his hand as fast as possible, bubble screens to the left/right with an occasional roll out to the left/right. He didn't make any adjustment from the line of scrimmage. In fact, I don't see much pressure from the USC pass rushers at all, mostly because he got the ball out of his hand to his first read as fast as he could.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8zGUnF3atI#t=273'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8zGUnF3atI#t=273</a>

(Again, I just don't see it. What is it that people are seeing that I can't see myself?)


If there's another video where Carr actually displayed first round material on game tape, please post it. I really want to see it.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that how his offense is designed?

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

There are no words for how dumb this statement is.

Yes, there are.  It's idiotic. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that how his offense is designed?

There has to be something on tape that show he's a first round prospect, and I just don't see it.  I understand potential is always in the equation when grading prospect -- Hence, Gabbert, Bortles and E.J Manuel -- but that usually means the prospects have great measurables i.e. size, build, mobility, speed and athleticism.  

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So now Adam Schein of NFL.com wrote that Carr is the "safest" QB in this class.


I just don't get it. What is it that the media see on gametapes?

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So now Adam Schein of NFL.com wrote that Carr is the "safest" QB in this class.


I just don't get it. What is it that the media see on gametapes?

 

 

It's a symptom of the Draft being pushed back.

 

Someone got bored, created a random generator that selects:


{Player} is the {Adjective} {Player: Position} in this draft.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

Football IQ- Football instinct is something different. Reading defenses and knowing the playbook is an important part of being a QB.

 

As far as this goes, he was learning how to read NFL defenses when he was 12 or so (with his older brother.)

 

I can't hold his brother against him.  Turning back time, everyone was fawning over what was happening with the Fresno State program.  After beating Colorado, Oregon State, and Wisconsin back to back to back, many thought they had a good shot at running the table.  Add to that a putrid QB class, and it was a perfect storm for overdrafting QBs.  Like this class, David should have sat on the bench and seasoned a bit before being thrown to the wolves.  Unlike some failed QBs, he did draw interest as a backup after losing his job.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

We'll see tonight.  I'm still a firm believer that he'll go in the 3rd-4th round.

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http://i.instagram.com/p/nyQrmlAQzS/


Saw this and thought it was hilarious. Good to see a guy have fun with everything. I really like the guy and hope he does well in Oakland.

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"Sucess Is Not a Goal, It is a By-product"

Dude is lighting it up against Seattle tonight.  Against Sea. 1st team D,impressive

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He just threw a beautiful TD on NFLN.  His 3rd of the night.

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He just threw a beautiful TD on NFLN.  His 3rd of the night.

yeah, that was a nice throw

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yeah, that was a nice throw

 

Being reviewed now but regardless it was nice.  Good timing with the WR, good route by the WR too.  Carr should get the start for them it appears.

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