"Luck, Rivers, Manning passes the football to more experienced WR's don't you think?

That's completely irrelevant because we have Jerry Sullivan coaching our receivers.  You could put a grade schooler coached by Sullivan out there and he'd dominate this league.  Clearly, this is all about Gus ordering Fisch to neuter their QB. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Mularkey, Mel Tucker, JDR  > Bradley

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Mularkey, Mel Tucker, JDR  > Bradley

Are you channeling your inner diva?

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Problem is, he often runs the wrong route.

 

So.....stop trying them, then?? :ermm:

 

Only one way to get better/ improve.....and thats repetition. 

 

 

The shorter routes were getting jumped multiple times.  I am surprised we didn't see any out and ups to catch the CB's out of position.

 

 

Hurns gets past the defense with good route running and a nice double move. If he's running the wrong routes, as evidenced in the picture, he's not going to get open.

 

lol, this above post kinda answers the other. The coaching never seemed to take advantage. 

 

That has to be one of the most idiotic analogies I've ever seen on this board.  He took the blame because he screwed up.  He didn't anticipate that the safety would jump the route.  He said so repeatedly himself. 

 

Again, you're blaming the coaches here, but he's the one who checked out of the play.  He's the one who didn't run the play that was called, and the end result was a pick 6.  I know you've got your grip firmly around his ankle as you desperately try to pass the buck on to someone else so that you can push your new "I HATE GUS BRADLEY" agenda.  I get it.  It's what you do.  You're incapable of thinking beyond your agenda, so carry on with your "LOOK AT ME!!!!" effort here. 

 

Idiotic analogies? Only if you are trying not to see the point. 

 

The INT happened or had a higher chance to happen because of the tons of short passes they were attempting all game. Pitt knew where that pass was going probably before Blake even threw it based on the flow of that game and prior play calling. Sure, they blamed Blake ultimately because he audibled out of a run, but the point is, the lack of attacking the whole field leading up to that audible helped make that pick 6 happen. Had the Jags not been throwing short passes all game and instead spead the field out a little more with more deep and intermediate passes, that audible might have had a much less disastrous ending. 

 

And he's dropped more than his fair share of passes when he is open.

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I llike what Hurns brings to the table and think he has serious potential but he has some dicey mitts. This lends credence to the possibility that the OC may not have faith in the receivers to either run the correct route or catch the ball.

 

I kind of get what you're saying and you may not be totally wrong in your assessment, but I think where you're going wrong is trying to lay all of the blame at the feet of the coach and his coordinators when there seems to be plenty to go around....just sayin'.

 

He's had some lapses that have resulted in drops yes. That doesn't mean you stop going to him. Only one way to get him over that mental block. And thats by doing. 

 

 

Mularkey, Mel Tucker, JDR  > Bradley

 

They are pretty much all equal in my eyes. 

 

What the hell has Bradley done as a head coach that earns him anything better than those?

 

They are all sub par, IMO. 

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RE: Luck:


He had a 5.06 YPA vs Philadelphia.  Which is worse than Bortles 5.3 against Pittsburgh.  And in that game he only threw ONE deep pass at all.  EVERYTHING else he threw in that game was short.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

They are all sub par, IMO. 

 

I think Bradley has potential to be a very good coach.  That's why I wouldn't lump him in with the rest.  He still needs to prove it by the end of next year though.  I think his seat will be warm (fair or unfair) by the end of the year unless he wins more than 4 games this year.

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One of these years.............

Hurns can stretch the field. He's gotten open deep lots of times already. vs. Redksins/ Eagles/ San Diego....

 

 

Yes and they seem to go to him when he does.  He's an undrafted rookie and does not consistently get down field (which is expected) plus he has his fair share of drops. 

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No response to post #59. Why an I not surprised?

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Welcome back, TMD.

 

I agree with you mostly.

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I have commented much on our current losing. 

 

I have a thread commenting on a couple of aspects of this here...

 

http://jungle.jaguars.com/index.php?/top...om-losing/

 

See also http://jungle.jaguars.com/index.php?/top.../?p=317790

 

As to some of the other stuff I have not hit on previously...

 

I don't see that much "regression" in Bortles' performance from preseason.  First off, the overall sample is very limited, and the sample from preseason is even smaller.  Considering the level of play if much faster from preseason to regular season, considering teams actually game plan for the opponent in regular season, considering the coverages and blitzes are far more complex in the regular season, and the widely disparate game situations between the limited looks he got in preseason vs. the most pass situations he found himself in the regular season games, the differences in INTs and deep passes from pre to regular season are easily explainable.  He's thrown some bad passes on three of those picks, but overall he's played reasonably well.

 

Secondly, as I pointed out in still another thread, Rich Kotite got off to a better start record wise than either Bill Walsh or Jimmy Johnson.  Would you or anyone argue that Kotite was a better coach than either of them due to those early records?

 

More to come

 

When I cite regression, I am talking about not seeing the gunslinger mentality in the last 6 Q and attacking the whole field like he was doing in his first 5 games. 

 

He went from being Bortles in the first 5 appearances, to being a more mobile Chad Henne in these last 6 quarters of football. 

 

 

Kotite isn't a good comparison and Johnson is because of similar circumstances in which both took over. 

 

RE: Luck:


He had a 5.06 YPA vs Philadelphia.  Which is worse than Bortles 5.3 against Pittsburgh.

 

If Bortles had the 3 years of production including the playoff win that Luck has, one game in his 3rd year like the above wouldn't be a big deal either. 

 

My concern is the direction that Bortles seems to be heading seems to be closer to the Henne like 5.5. YPA of the above, than the first 5 appearances Bortles. 

 

I am hoping that we see a return to the Bortles of the first 5 appearances soon, before we turn him into a game manager. 

 

 

I think Bradley has potential to be a very good coach.  That's why I wouldn't lump him in with the rest.  He still needs to prove it by the end of next year though.  I think his seat will be warm (fair or unfair) by the end of the year unless he wins more than 4 games this year.

 

What has given you the impression that Bradley can be a very good head coach?? He's shown very little than being a cheerleader to these guys. 

 

His clock management/ game management is horrible, his coaching staff is largely bad, his halftime adjustments seem to be non existent....so...what?? What do you see that suggests future success at this point?

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He hasn't lost the team yet.  Also, I don't think it's possible to judge a coach before the 3rd year.  So yes, he has the potential to be a very good coach.  That doesn't preclude the possibility of being a very bad coach either IMO.

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One of these years.............

What the hell has Bradley done as a head coach that earns him anything better than those?


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I agree. I would love for Gus to turn things around, but I think he gets too much of a free pass. Even if this team goes into the bye at 0-10 I don't think Bradley will be on the hot seat.

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Bortles only had one game with a sub 6.8 YPA so far.  I think it's a bit premature to say he's closer to the Henne 5.5 YPA.  You can't expect 9.0+ YPA's all the time.  

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

RE: Luck:


He had a 5.06 YPA vs Philadelphia.  Which is worse than Bortles 5.3 against Pittsburgh.  And in that game he only threw ONE deep pass at all.  EVERYTHING else he threw in that game was short.

now now dont rain on the angry puppys parade and give him facts. like maybe short passes manning was throwing most of the game or the dink and dunk brady does.

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Aint gonna lie I missed TMD.

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Hey TMD, very glad to see you are back.


I was wondering what happened with you. How did you manage to get baited into typing something to get in trouble? What a complete joke. Been reading your knowledgeable and fact-based comments for years, and am usually in agreement, it is rare indeed to even see you get close to the 'line' of writing something anti-community.


How some of these 'moderators' have avoided losing their titles is beyond me. Would love a PM outlining exactly what happened.

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He hasn't lost the team yet.  Also, I don't think it's possible to judge a coach before the 3rd year.  So yes, he has the potential to be a very good coach.  That doesn't preclude the possibility of being a very bad coach either IMO.

 

I understand the 3 year thing....but if we don't start seeing a drastic change in the Jags on field production soon....its clearly headed in the direction that Gus simply seems to not be HC material. 

 

Not every Coordinator type is. The NFL is littered with decent Coordinators that couldn't make the jump to HC successfully. 

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Hey TMD:

 

Stephen Hill

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When I cite regression, I am talking about not seeing the gunslinger mentality in the last 6 Q and attacking the whole field like he was doing in his first 5 games. 

 

He went from being Bortles in the first 5 appearances, to being a more mobile Chad Henne in these last 6 quarters of football. 

 

 

Kotite isn't a good comparison and Johnson is because of similar circumstances in which both took over. 

He's only started two games and played in the second half of the Colts game.  What first 5 games are you talking about? 

 

If you are including preseason, I already cited some of the reasons the regular season performance would be less than the preseason performance.

 

But Kotite IS a relevant basis for comparison when the point is the first twenty or so games is not necessarily a good indication of whether a guy can coach or not.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!