I'd say 21 games is enough "patience" for me regarding the Gus issue. 

 

4-17 with a 31st and 32nd ranking in defense/ offense, respectively. 

 

 

I agree that Bortles wasn't anything like Henne......until the last 6 Q of football. He even had a pass batted down at the LOS last week, for good measure in the Henne impersonation.

 

Sorry dude, I do have eyes, and I can see that this offense since the half of the Charger game has been night and day different that what preceded it with Bortles at the helm. The offense the last six quarters looks very much like the offense the first 2.5 games of this regular season. 

 

I'm not blaming Blake, so I don't know if you're getting defensive about that - my beef is with the [BAD WORD REMOVED] Offensive Coordinator that isn't letting Blake be Blake and calling plays that jive with Blake's strengths. (which he was doing up to that point). 

 

Ever consider the O-line's strengths, the receiver's strengths and/or the talent of the defense being played?

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

And didnt we already determine that zone blocking wasnt working in the running game last year?

 

We did....but the coaches are a little slow....

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Ever consider the O-line's strengths, the receiver's strengths and/or the talent of the defense being played?

 

The same one's we been playing with Blake all year? Yes. 

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The same one's we been playing with Blake all year? Yes. 

 

So all of the starters have been playing with Blake all year?  I must have missed something...

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

The same one's we been playing with Blake all year? Yes. 

SMH

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Shack Harris, Gene Smith  >  Dave Caldwell

You do love controversial opinions, don't you?

 

If Bortles turns out worse than Gabbert and Leftwich, I'll agree with you. The QB is always the defining move for a GM, and Shack and Gene drafted the wrong ones.

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I'd say 21 games is enough "patience" for me regarding the Gus issue. 

 

4-17 with a 31st and 32nd ranking in defense/ offense, respectively. 

 

 

I agree that Bortles wasn't anything like Henne......until the last 6 Q of football. He even had a pass batted down at the LOS last week, for good measure in the Henne impersonation.

 

Sorry dude, I do have eyes, and I can see that this offense since the half of the Charger game has been night and day different that what preceded it with Bortles at the helm. The offense the last six quarters looks very much like the offense the first 2.5 games of this regular season. 

 

I'm not blaming Blake, so I don't know if you're getting defensive about that - my beef is with the [BAD WORD REMOVED] Offensive Coordinator that isn't letting Blake be Blake and calling plays that jive with Blake's strengths. (which he was doing up to that point). 

I'd agree with you on this if we weren't within a full rebuild. All those "rebuilds" we had in previous years, weren't really rebuilds. We are going through a true rebuild. So expectations have to be really low (unfortunately) right now. I'm not saying Bradley is not at fault for the what seems like regression of the team. But I think the regression is part of the process. We had so many changes every off season last year and this year. It will take time. Time is something none of us really want to give; but what else can we do. We can't expect them to pull talent out of the air. And some of the FA signings are turning out badly right now. But luckily they signed them intelligently and can cut them without huge impacts to salary cap.  

 

Also, with regards to limiting Blake. I think part of that is the rookie WRs we are playing. Think about our WR situation. Lee (hurt) = Rookie; Robinson = Rookie; Hurns = Rookie; Shorts (always hurt) = non-existant; Sanders = 2nd year (almost rookie); Brown = 3rd year (I think right? 2012?). Our WRs are very inexperienced. So the play calling and routes are severely limited for them and Bortles. This was already discussed by Bradley after I think it was Game 1 or 2 when Lee disappeared (maybe it was in the preseason, can't remember exactly).

 

Our offense is severely inexperienced. Defense is really just about jelling and trusting everyone. Remember, a lot of new faces there too. I'm not throwing the excuse train by any means. But we need to take a step back and realize what kind of shape we are in personnel wise. This will take time, unfortunately...

 

GO JAGS!!

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Let's Get Em!!!! Go Jags!

The last time I was allowed to post we had just lost the Eagles game. Well, since then, we've won zero games...

 

Hate to say it folks, but I think what we are seeing is the culmination of a head coach that is in over his head. 

 

We are not getting any better and the 4-4 record to end last season seems to be merely the result of happenstance of playing equally bad (or dead) teams.

 

We were at the bottom of the league in offense and defense last year, and we are right there again this season, in the total rankings. In the big picture, nothing is improving. 

 

As I look back, things that I remember posting about being concerning with Bradley's initial hire have pretty much come to roost - first and foremost - the Coordinator hires. Both Fisch and Babich were seen as poor hires by me (and a few others) when they happened and neither has done anything to prove those initial fears wrong. 

 

Guess what though - bad assistant coaching hires falls on the head coach. That is part of his responsibility. 

 

The 2 Coordinators are likely not the only bad hires on this staff, however. It seems to be filled with subpar hires all around it. With only a few standout decent to good hires. I'f say at this point after 21 games, the only assistants that I'd point to that seem to have been good hires would be the WR coach, the DL coach, and maybe the QB coach. The rest all don't seem to be doing a good job in getting their prospective player groups improving over time. I understand that not every player is going to be a "pro bowler" but solid position coaches do at least get their group to show some improvement over time regardless of talent ceiling. 

 

I think the poor assistant coach hires can be partially linked to the fact that Bradley had zero head coaching experience coming into this job. There obviously a LOT of other aspects of Bradley's coaching (where he seems to be failing) that can also be attributed to his lack of HC experience as well. - such as poor clock management. 

 

Through 21 Games, Bradley is now 4-17. The only other successful head coach over the last 25 years that I can remember starting out this bad was Jimmy Johnson of Dallas who started out at 4-22. But at least with his team, they indeed were showing improvement in their 2nd year. Also, while their offense was still struggling in the 2nd year, at least their defense was showing clear signs of ascension. They only gave up around 300 points for that entire season after giving up close to 400 the previous year. 

 

The Jags offense and defense overall continues to be bad. Bottom of the league bad. Last week seemed to be more the result of playing safe defense as opposed to actual improvement. When they needed a stop in the 4th Q on Pitts last drive - they couldn't do it. Didn't Pitt keep the ball for what seemed like the final 7 and a half minutes of the game to run out the clock???

 

 

I'm very close to the point where I advise the owner to pretty much pull the plug on the head coach at seasons end. 

 

 

The most important thing that this staff MUST not mess up is the QB- Bortles, and IMO, it appears they are doing just that. 

 

Look at Bortles play in preseason, and then the 3 games this season. He's clearly regressing. His YPA went from consistently in the 9's or above in all preseason games as well as the 2nd half of the Indy game, to 7.8 two weeks ago to Gabbert-like 5.3 last week. You can't tell me that Bortles this past Sunday is resembling ANYTHING like the gunslinger that we saw in his first 5 appearances. 

 

IMO, why this is happening is because the coaching staff is overreacting to the INT's he's throwing and shortening the pass play routes which isn't doing anything but hurting him. 

 

That pick 6 against the Steelers last week was on Fisch just as much as it was on Blake. What do you expect to happen when every pass play you call is a shorter route???? Eventually the defense is going to jump one of them and you get what happened. 

 

They threw one stinking deep pass attempt last week for the ENTIRE game and it was picked off, so then Fisch totally abandoned it. Thats not how you help a young QB. They should be trying about one deep pass every quarter, just to keep the defense honest. Otherwise, all you are doing is helping makie the defenses life easier and hurting the development of your own QB. I remember Andy Reid would take a deep shot downfield with McNabb just about every 8-10 attempts (on average) - to keep the defense from bunching up and playing the game in a 10-15 yard box. 

 

 

If things don't improve drastically, and soon, I am hoping Khan is investigating the availability of a proven winner like Jim Harbaugh at seasons end. Harbaugh has head coaching experience, has been susccessful and seems to get the most out of his QB's. (Alex Smith) and even Kap. 

Didn't bother to read it. I read the title and that was enough for me.

 

No coach would do much better with this roster. Way too much youth and inexperience mixed in with poor play at critical positions. The team needs to get better at a lot of positions, and the youngsters need to gain experience.

 

You and so many others said the same thing about Koetter when he was here, and then he went to the Falcons who did have decent players and looked like a whole different coach.

 

The jury is still out on Gus. You could be right, but there's no way to know. You're basically telling him to win the Tour De France while riding a unicycle.

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You and so many others said the same thing about Koetter when he was here, and then he went to the Falcons who did have decent players and looked like a whole different coach.

 

The jury is still out on Gus. You could be right, but there's no way to know. You're basically telling him to win the Tour De France while riding a unicycle.

 

I dare you to find a single post where I bashed Koetter. 

 

You got the wrong guy on that one. I was always pro Koetter. Still am. 

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Aside from the Redskins game, we've faced some pretty stiff competition. And in the Redskins game we were still being hampered by Chad Henne. And we were also being hampered by having a very young team.


I agree that Fisch and Babich could both be parts of the problem. I think that Gus Bradley is a guy who is willing to give too many opportunities at times. I think we should have made some moves at the end of last season. His lack of experience (and the Jags not being an attractive spot to land for coaches) can't be held against him too much. I don't think there's many coaches who would want to come here pre-Bortles. Availability matters, and so does the amount of talent on the team.



Jimmy Johnson didn't take over what was essentially an expansion team. If you look at the lack of talent on the team, it explains the lack of wins very well. The team should be showing improvement, but I don't think we can say if any improvement is being made at this point. It's a very young team, with few draft picks on the Defensive side of the ball.

Bortles isn't regressing. His stats don't look quite as good, but that's in part due to facing tougher defenses, not having a running game (which keeps the Defense honest), and playcalling, as well as the players we have.


Why would a proven winner come here, when we don't give coaches time to bring the talent in, and blame them for the problems? We don't want to become the Oakland Raiders. I think Bradley goes on the hot seat at the start of next season.

I think you said the best thing here. People are wanting to cut heads off but say Harbaugh is coming into the picture as a coach that can be the next canidate.


Why on earth would he come here when we fired Malarkey after a year and Gus after two? Regardless if you like it or not we must give time for that simple reason. This is why the raiders never will be any good. They won't stay still for 3-4 years.


I know no one wants to hear that buts it's the truth.

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I think you said the best thing here. People are wanting to cut heads off but say Harbaugh is coming into the picture as a coach that can be the next canidate.

Why on earth would he come here when we fired Malarkey after a year and Gus after two? Regardless if you like it or not we must give time for that simple reason. This is why the raiders never will be any good. They won't stay still for 3-4 years.


I know no one wants to hear that buts it's the truth.

 

Simple logic.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

I dare you to find a single post where I bashed Koetter. 

 

You got the wrong guy on that one. I was always pro Koetter. Still am. 

Not going to go back through posts. The point still stands.

 

I see you didn't choose to refute anything else I said.

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I wasn't suspended for negative posts Jagswoman. So, take your high horse elsewhere please. 

I laughed at this. She is the Hitler of this place. I'd put money down that she has a huge swastika hanging on her bedroom wall. 

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I think you said the best thing here. People are wanting to cut heads off but say Harbaugh is coming into the picture as a coach that can be the next canidate.


Why on earth would he come here when we fired Malarkey after a year and Gus after two? Regardless if you like it or not we must give time for that simple reason. This is why the raiders never will be any good. They won't stay still for 3-4 years.


I know no one wants to hear that buts it's the truth.

 

No it isn't. 

 

No coach is staying away from Jax because they fired an inept Mularkey after one year and another inept Bradley after 2 (if that happens). 

 

Hell....don't they get points in prospective coaching hires' eyes for holding on to an inept Jack Del Rio for NINE years?? :woot: 

 

Not going to go back through posts. The point still stands.

 

I see you didn't choose to refute anything else I said.

 

I really didn't ever bash Koetter though. Thats the truth. I liked Koetter. 

 

I thought he was very good. Anyone that can get 400+ points in one season with Garrard/ Williams/ Jones/ Wilford and Northcutt is doing something right. 

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No it isn't. 

 

No coach is staying away from Jax because they fired an inept Mularkey after one year and another inept Bradley after 2 (if that happens). 

 

Hell....don't they get points in prospective coaching hires' eyes for holding on to an inept Jack Del Rio for NINE years?? :woot:

 

Wrong regime.  Keep trying.

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Wrong regime.  Keep trying.

 

I know what regime it was....

 

Point is, no prospective head coach would literally stay away from a potential gig because they fired 2 coaches that deserved it. 

 

Especially if:  a) they get paid enough, and B - if the franchise QB is in place. 

 

 

Both A & B can be fulfilled here. 

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I don't care who the coach is.  I want better players.  Too much is made of coaching and play calling, in my opinion.  These coaches didn't get to this level knowing nothing.  Players are always far more important than coaches.  Ask the supposed genius Belichick if he agrees.  And speaking of him, let's use him to further make my point.  Let's say I coach against him in a game.  Give me an NFL team, say even a bad one, like the Jags.  Give him a high school team.  I won't even bother doing any coaching, either.  I'll spend the game drinking beer and talking to the cheerleaders.  Who do you think wins? 

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I know what regime it was....

 

Point is, no prospective head coach would literally stay away from a potential gig because they fired 2 coaches that deserved it. 

 

Especially if:  a) they get paid enough, and B - if the franchise QB is in place. 

 

 

Both A & B can be fulfilled here. 

It would b 3 plus an interim in 4 years.  Not good.

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I don't care who the coach is.  I want better players.  Too much is made of coaching and play calling, in my opinion.  These coaches didn't get to this level knowing nothing.  Players are always far more important than coaches.  Ask the supposed genius Belichick if he agrees.  And speaking of him, let's use him to further make my point.  Let's say I coach against him in a game.  Give me an NFL team, say even a bad one, like the Jags.  Give him a high school team.  I won't even bother doing any coaching, either.  I'll spend the game drinking beer and talking to the cheerleaders.  Who do you think wins? 

You understand football.

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I don't care who the coach is.  I want better players.  Too much is made of coaching and play calling, in my opinion.  These coaches didn't get to this level knowing nothing.  Players are always far more important than coaches.  Ask the supposed genius Belichick if he agrees.  And speaking of him, let's use him to further make my point.  Let's say I coach against him in a game.  Give me an NFL team, say even a bad one, like the Jags.  Give him a high school team.  I won't even bother doing any coaching, either.  I'll spend the game drinking beer and talking to the cheerleaders.  Who do you think wins? 

 

Too much is not made of coaching. Caldwell has done an adequate job in player acquisition. Yes, he's made some mistakes, and hasn't been perfect, but Bradley's coaching staff for the most part is horrendous. Theres like 2 or 3 from the whole staff who are worth their salt. 

 

A good assistant coaching staff is important for player development. 

 

Good head coaches don't need pro bowlers at every position before you start to see results. Good coaches make a difference with what they have to work with. They still may not win a lot of games, but you will see much closer outcomes with good coaching. Look no further than Tom Coughlin's last days here as proof. Bradley is 4-17 and presides over the 31st ranked defense and 32nd ranked offense in now year TWO of his tenure. Inexcusable at this point. The Jags point differential is pretty much just as bad this season as it was last year. 

 

IMO, we made a mistake with Bradley hiring a coach with zero head coach experience at any level. Hopefully that mistake won't be repeated. 

 

It would b 3 plus an interim in 4 years.  Not good.

 

Yeah, 3 coaches in 4 years because they were poor selections to begin with. 

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