Look, you don't get to be as bad as we are because of a single individual. Remember when our futility was Shack's fault? He was sent packing and we still sucked. Then it was Garrard's fault and he was sent packing. We still sucked. Then it was Del Rio's fault and he was sent packing. We still sucked. Then it was Gene's fault and he was sent packing. We still sucked. Then Mularkey. Same outcome.

 

We are bad because of many reasons. What should happen is identify players and coaches who are below average and can be replaced with upgrades. Unfortunately upgrading as many weaknesses as we have is tough.

 

Regards....................the Chiefjag

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Look, you don't get to be as bad as we are because of a single individual. Remember when our futility was Shack's fault? He was sent packing and we still sucked. Then it was Garrard's fault and he was sent packing. We still sucked. Then it was Del Rio's fault and he was sent packing. We still sucked. Then it was Gene's fault and he was sent packing. We still sucked. Then Mularkey. Same outcome.


We are bad because of many reasons. What should happen is identify players and coaches who are below average and can be replaced with upgrades. Unfortunately upgrading as many weaknesses as we have is tough.


Regards....................the Chiefjag

Let's forgive the sins of the past, Chief.


Jacksonville is a special case. I really believe that. What Khan, Bradley and Caldwell are trying to do is expedite the rebuild in this second year by forgoing veteran stop gaps in leiu of playing (developing) our youth. That plan calls for sacrifices (win column) but stands to ultimately speed up the process.


Again, everyone in charge knows what it means to start so many rookies (lots of learning, not so much winning).


There really is a plan.


And a three-year timetable.


I highly suspect the coaching staff (including Fisch) will be retained, excluding the special teams coach.

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I don't know how much time I have left to wait, and what i've seen isn't what I want to go to the grave with.

RIP

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

See, we all had hope after the 2008 season. Remember everyone saying we were going to win the Super bowl after that great 2007 season? It didn't happen, and all of us said, it was an off year, we played into the hype, blah blah blah. Then the next year happened. Then we said, well, they just need a couple more players because they wasted their draft picks on Harvey/Groves. Then that didn't happen, and they were both busts, so we blamed it on that. Then finally, Gene came in, and we were patient with him, gave him the benefit of the doubt.


Well that didn't happen either. We got excited for Caldwell and Co., and we keep getting the same excuses of a rebuild and next year. See the trend? We are over it, they need in place a coaching staff that is experienced, and knows what to do with a football team. Caldwell is doing fine. The players aren't translating to Bradley and his vision, or even the coordinators for that matter. They look lost on the field, and they are baffled when they don't score or make plays.


Coughlin built an expansion team in 2 years, and they were in the playoffs consistently, and winning those games as well. The funny thing is, he started from scratch literally, and his records were never this horrid.

I don't think this is comparable really? I believe all teams had to give a list of like 6 players that could be taken by Jax or Carolina. The expansion teams then had to pluck like a minimum of 35 players from other teams squads. I believe they have since changed the rules for expansion because there were complaints from other teams about how good Jax and Carolina got so fast. They may have also been given xtra picks at the ends of the first two rounds of the draft, I can't remember.

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We selected a player from the other teams player pool. They had to make 6 players available and every time one of their players were selected that team was permitted to remove 1 player from their pool so no team lost more than 3 total. Then we were give the first two picks of the first two rounds. Carolina traded their first pick to Cincinnati who selected KiJana Carter, then we took Boselli at 2.

 

Understanding we have a boatload of inexperience on the team will be tough to field a competitive team, but we should see improvement in wins and losses from year 1 to year 2. This is what is most disappointing, no improvement.

 

Regards.......................the Chiefjag

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We selected a player from the other teams player pool. They had to make 6 players available and every time one of their players were selected that team was permitted to remove 1 player from their pool so no team lost more than 3 total. Then we were give the first two picks of the first two rounds. Carolina traded their first pick to Cincinnati who selected KiJana Carter, then we took Boselli at 2.

 

Understanding we have a boatload of inexperience on the team will be tough to field a competitive team, but we should see improvement in wins and losses from year 1 to year 2. This is what is most disappointing, no improvement.

 

Regards.......................the Chiefjag

It is disappointing, but if you look at the approach this front office has taken in building this roster, it actually makes sense.

 

When you take into consideration how many rookies or second year players are on this roster who are contributing, what we're seeing isn't really much of a surprise.  It's just the process.  So, after year 1 we gutted the roster to purge players who weren't part of the process moving forward, then beginning the rebuild process via the draft. 

 

Year 2 was a continuation of that build process using the draft to build the core, with a few free agent acquisitions that made sense in light of what they were trying to accomplish.

 

Year 3 will be about adding more depth through the draft, and adding play makers where they can in free agency. 

 

They've been very clear almost from the very start with this regime that this was a 3 year process.  We're half way through that now.  If there isn't significant progress made between now and the end of next season, someone else will be making personnel and coaching decisions for this team.  I think both Caldwell and Bradley will ultimately be safe as these investments start to turn the corner. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

I don't think this is comparable really? I believe all teams had to give a list of like 6 players that could be taken by Jax or Carolina. The expansion teams then had to pluck like a minimum of 35 players from other teams squads. I believe they have since changed the rules for expansion because there were complaints from other teams about how good Jax and Carolina got so fast. They may have also been given xtra picks at the ends of the first two rounds of the draft, I can't remember.

It doesn't matter what argument you want to come up with for why it happened. It happened, and I think the personnel we have in place, excluding Caldwell, are the reason we are in the situation we are in.

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I challenge you to show anywhere that Gus and/or Dave declared it was a 3 year process. That's a message board hoax.

 

Regards.......................the Chiefjag

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I challenge you to show anywhere that Gus and/or Dave declared it was a 3 year process. That's a message board hoax.

 

Regards.......................the Chiefjag

That's no message board hoax.  It's been mentioned countless times in the media that the focus has always been on 2015. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

That's no message board hoax. It's been mentioned countless times in the media that the focus has always been on 2015.

Link or it didn't happen

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It doesn't matter what argument you want to come up with for why it happened. It happened, and I think the personnel we have in place, excluding Caldwell, are the reason we are in the situation we are in.

It's not so much an argument as it is fact. This rebuild is completely different. I'm disappointed too. I have expected better results but I think if Caldwell had the advantages that Coughlin had, we would have a better team then we are fielding now.

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Countless times in the "media"? Seriously, let's hear it from the GM or coach or it's nothing more than "media" or message board fodder.

 

Regards.......................the Chiefjag

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It's not so much an argument as it is fact. This rebuild is completely different. I'm disappointed too. I have expected better results but I think if Caldwell had the advantages that Coughlin had, we would have a better team then we are fielding now.

I believe in Caldwell. He has done well. The jury is still out on Joekel and Cyp but overall the talent is starting to get there. It's the coaches I have issue with.

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Countless times in the "media"? Seriously, let's hear it from the GM or coach or it's nothing more than "media" or message board fodder.

 

Regards.......................the Chiefjag

 

LOL, sorry you've been excluded from the weekly message board conference call...

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Regardless of the time table if you watch you can see that they are building for the future. That's the only reason you start 5 rookies on offense. Progress this year wasn't supposed to be based around wins. It was based around is the team playing better. Are we sustaining drives and getting first downs? Are we converting third downs? Are we in positions to win going into the fourth quarter? 

 

So far I've seen improvement in those categories. Next year for me was the year to expect wins. Next year is when I look at the schedule and try to predict the record. Now I'm not saying the will get to the playoffs or even have a 10 win season but next year is when wins should happen. And if they do then I know there has been tangible improvement in that category. Then the year after I look for even more improvement. 

 

Baby steps people. 

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Countless times in the "media"? Seriously, let's hear it from the GM or coach or it's nothing more than "media" or message board fodder.


Regards.......................the Chiefjag

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Everyone has been pretty above board on this from the get-go. I don't know if I can find a link straight from the horse's mouth or not, but I wouldn't really expect either David or Gus to come out and say that the 2014 win count doesn't matter.


But there is a time table.

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You're right, it's only a media timetable. Some journalist writing an article. Nothing more.

 

Regards.................................the Chiefjag

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You're right, it's only a media timetable. Some journalist writing an article. Nothing more.


Regards.................................the Chiefjag

Writing an article about the obvious.

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I challenge you to show anywhere that Gus and/or Dave declared it was a 3 year process. That's a message board hoax.

 

Regards.......................the Chiefjag

 

It may not be directly from the Head Coach or General Manager, but read the <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-theOzone/article-1/O-Zone-Welcome-hiatus/3a8a05f6-3851-4529-80a2-db6f6a5c89b6' title="External link">answer from John Oehser</a> to the question posed by Ronnie from Jacksonville.

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