Again, the consumption tax just has too many problems with it.  I don't think rounding people up works either.  Nor do I think building a wall or fence would stop many people (it would stop some, but not many).  


But there's a major difference between Drugs and hiring illegals.

Drugs, much like Alcohol -- the primary motivation is enjoyment.  (Same with prostitution).  The fear of punishment doesn't take away any of the motivation.  For some it enhances it.  

 

Hiring Illegals, the primary motive is monetary.  Significantly reduce that motivation, and you'll reduce the problem of illegal immigration. It won't eliminate it, but you can't eliminate the problem altogether.  

 

Building a wall does significantly help.  It's probably the second most effective tool other than hiring more Border Patrol Agents.  It doesn't stem the flow of illegals into the country, but it does deter some. Others are a lot easier to catch because it slows them down, especially when crossing into border towns that are 100 yards away.  It also helps with prosecutions because illegals can't say they didn't know they were crossing into the United States when they used ladders and climbed a giant fence.  Where it probably helps the most, however, is preventing drugs from crossing into the United States.  It is a lot more difficult to ramp or crane or cut a fence with a blow torch and bring 2 or 3 trucks loaded with 7500 pounds of drugs into the United States than simply driving in without obstacle.

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Just because past presidents have used executive orders, it still doesn't make it right. 

 

Who said it did? But just throwing out the blather of "the republic as we know it is ending!" is silly and stupid.

 

But Zordon doesn't strike me as a constitutional scholar anyway.

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

It is a first step into amnesty. Do you think these people will be in "temporary protective status" forever? Are they going to be deported after this status lapses? They will be given a path towards citizenship next. They will be given their permanent residency next and eventually citizenship.

That's fine so long as we use this temporary time to confirm they will contribute not suck society dry then let them pay their back taxes plus whatever fees take the history classes and assimilate.


I don't understand the objections to citizenship so long as we're not stamping them onto the welfare roles we need more skilled workers and day laborers

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That's fine so long as we use this temporary time to confirm they will contribute not suck society dry then let them pay their back taxes plus whatever fees take the history classes and assimilate.


I don't understand the objections to citizenship so long as we're not stamping them onto the welfare roles we need more skilled workers and day laborers

 

The republicans are terrified that if they give immigrants citizenship they'll vote for democrats in droves.

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The republicans are terrified that if they give immigrants citizenship they'll vote for democrats in droves.

Well when we start making suspected political alliances and not ability to contribute a factor on immigration were done.

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Well when we start making suspected political alliances and not ability to contribute a factor on immigration were done.

 

The problem, Eric, is that a significant part of the republican voter base consists of southern racists, which is why the south turned republican after the series of federal court decisions and laws abolishing slavery and attempting to create equality for blacks in the south were passed in the 1960s.

 

The republicans as a national party understand their current path is unsustainable, but in the short term they know need the racist vote if they want to be at all viable.

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The problem, Eric, is that a significant part of the republican voter base consists of southern racists, which is why the south turned republican after the series of federal court decisions and laws abolishing slavery and attempting to create equality for blacks in the south were passed in the 1960s.


The republicans as a national party understand their current path is unsustainable, but in the short term they know need the racist vote if they want to be at all viable.

Wow you couldn't be more wrong

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Wow you couldn't be more wrong

 

Once again you only prove your ignorance. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-reifow...06760.html

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Once again you only prove your ignorance. <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-reifowitz/the-republicans-southern-_b_5406760.html'>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-reifowitz/the-republicans-southern-_b_5406760.html</a>

I don't care what article you link your claiming the Republican Party is pandering to a blatantly racist south it's a bs argument

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I don't care what article you link your claiming the Republican Party is pandering to a blatantly racist south it's a [BAD WORD REMOVED] argument

 

Well, at least you accept and aren't afraid to admit your revelry of ignorance.

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Once again you only prove your ignorance. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-reifow...06760.html

 

Huffpost is a liberal blog, no real news there. Just goes to show your socialist/communist leanings

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Huffpost is a liberal blog, no real news there. Just goes to show your socialist/communist leanings

 

Ad hominems are a weak defense. Can you really not do better?

 

There's a good reason Reagan gave his "welfare queen" speech in Mississippi.

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Huffpost is a liberal blog, no real news there. Just goes to show your socialist/communist leanings

Not that you are wrong but it's not much different the majority of the links that you post...

 

Biased news is biased regardless of where it comes from. HuffPo is definitely a liberal rag. 

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Ad hominems are a weak defense. Can you really not do better?

 

There's a good reason Reagan gave his "welfare queen" speech in Mississippi.

Yeah, there is.

 

Because many Southerners are anti-welfare.  Because they don't believe their hard earned money should go to people who don't try to earn their own way.  They don't believe in redistribution of the wealth.  It's as simple as that. And especially against welfare fraud.  


For the record, the 'Welfare Queen' was a real woman, and her story is... to say the least, HORRIBLE.  She was a woman far worse than even Ronald Reagan painted her as.  She makes Surfer Bum look like a Saint by comparison.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

Yeah, there is.

Because many Southerners are anti-welfare.  Because they don't believe their hard earned money should go to people who don't try to earn their own way.  They don't believe in redistribution of the wealth.  It's as simple as that. And especially against welfare fraud.  


For the record, the 'Welfare Queen' was a real woman, and her story is... to say the least, HORRIBLE.  She was a woman far worse than even Ronald Reagan painted her as.  

 

TED, I know the fraudster he was talking about, but it wasn't about that fraudster. It was about dog-whistle politics sending a coded message to a receptive racist audience, and it's worked for 40 years now.

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The problem, Eric, is that a significant part of the republican voter base consists of southern racists, which is why the south turned republican after the series of federal court decisions and laws abolishing slavery and attempting to create equality for blacks in the south were passed in the 1960s.


The republicans as a national party understand their current path is unsustainable, but in the short term they know need the racist vote if they want to be at all viable.

Lol. You get more rediculous by the moment

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Oklahomie, you're suffering something called psychological projection. You are a racist, whether it's subliminal or overt, and as such you perceive others as being the same as yourself. Thus, you constantly call Republicans racists because of your own (unacknowledged?) racism.

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Well, at least you accept and aren't afraid to admit your revelry of ignorance.

 

Margret Sanger the founder of "planned parenthood" said and I quote "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." which party constantly funds planned parenthood? Where are the majority of planned parenthood abortion clinics, yup near majorly black communities, an accident I'm sure. 

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014...ugenicist/

 

Your beloved social hero LBJ was an open racist and threw the N word around with flair. His social programs have held minority communities at bay and disadvantage for 40 years, just enough help to survive never enough to get ahead or off the system, not by design I'm sure. 

 

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnso...hts-racism

 

Robert Byrd the sitting democrat/grand dragon of the KKK

 

I can go on and on, so shut the hell up with your [BLEEP] racist southern republicans. ALL political parties have been stained by racist so take the moral high horse and come down a notch. 

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Margret Sanger the founder of "planned parenthood" said and I quote "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." which party constantly funds planned parenthood? Where are the majority of planned parenthood abortion clinics, yup near majorly black communities, an accident I'm sure. 

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014...ugenicist/

 

Your beloved social hero LBJ was an open racist and threw the N word around with flair. His social programs have held minority communities at bay and disadvantage for 40 years, just enough help to survive never enough to get ahead or off the system, not by design I'm sure. 

 

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnso...hts-racism

 

Robert Byrd the sitting democrat/grand dragon of the KKK

 

I can go on and on, so shut the hell up with your [BAD WORD REMOVED] racist southern republicans. ALL political parties have been stained by racist so take the moral high horse and come down a notch. 

 

Wow, you sure proved me wrong.

 

I mean, if you can find examples of other racists then it must mean that the republican party's "southern strategy" isn't about racism at all. :teehee:

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The problem, Eric, is that a significant part of the republican voter base consists of southern racists, which is why the south turned republican after the series of federal court decisions and laws abolishing slavery and attempting to create equality for blacks in the south were passed in the 1960s.

 

The republicans as a national party understand their current path is unsustainable, but in the short term they know need the racist vote if they want to be at all viable.

 

Wow. Just...wow.

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