Because of that play Sammy was raising his trophy high and proud. That coulda been us dam it!!!


Edit: to answer your question it was also free mojito (sp) night. You definitely got your money's worth.

 

Hmmm... When did this occur?

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Your talking about cheating.

 

Not really.

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Never

 

 

Sammy answered for me:

 

 

I think kids need realistic expectations to go with their hard work.  That's why I'm a fan of the "hardest worker" trophies, even though they don't reward the ultimate achievement.  These are few and far between at the professional level.  I have also found out the hard way that hard work and brains will only get you so far.  Then there's things like genetics and dynasty - a cynical lesson for grownups.

 

Let children be children, dammit.  Adulthood comes fast enough, and some lessons can wait.

 

  ... Get out of my head.

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Meh, I was never motivated by trophies regardless of the exclusivity of them. I was motivated because I didn't want to be the kid that let the team down. Worked pretty well for me.

 

That's just a dumb theory.

 

Can I use it?

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I do not remember that. What the hell did you people do to me?

You really don't want to know!!! :blink:

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Well how convenient.

 

Convenient? I think you are having trouble seeing a point from someone elses perspective.

 

Sound familiar?

 

3 times familiar? :woot:

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Convenient? I think you are having trouble seeing a point from someone elses perspective.

 

Sound familiar?

 

3 times familiar? :woot:

I think that is a two way street. No one has advocated youth sports being the greatest teacher for kids out there when it comes to life lessons. Some have come close to practically villainizing it.

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You really don't want to know!!! :blink:

 

You are probably right, but I'm concerned. After all, I've only been an adult for a couple of months now and already I've somehow ended up in a nudist football game without my knowledge. Screw this, I'm going back to high school.

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Lern these lessons? Or they just play because they believe it is a path to self worth. Why would they think that?


You won't be able to make your Daughter feel pretty when she finishes last in the beauty pageant. "Buck up there soldier, you will just have to out work the competition"

Beauty pageants are different and honestly they sicken me. Rewarding success is an important lesson society seems to ignore these days

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Beauty pageants are different and honestly they sicken me. Rewarding success is an important lesson society seems to ignore these days

 

I always hated the idea of the kid that's doing slightly better than the crud he did last year getting a reward for it while people that actually did well on a regular basis got a "good for you, champ!" at best. Annoyed me far more than my less than stellar teammates getting a trophy for participating in a football league ever did.

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You are probably right, but I'm concerned. After all, I've only been an adult for a couple of months now and already I've somehow ended up in a nudist football game without my knowledge. Screw this, I'm going back to high school.

Wait til Sammykins starts talking about pics of you and the donkey....that's when you really need to worry!!!

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Wait til Sammykins starts talking about pics of you and the donkey....that's when you really need to worry!!!

 

I was apparently in a nudist football game with him. Isn't that bad enough? :blink:

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I always hated the idea of the kid that's doing slightly better than the crud he did last year getting a reward for it while people that actually did well on a regular basis got a "good for you, champ!" at best. Annoyed me far more than my less than stellar teammates getting a trophy for participating in a football league ever did.

I get it encouraging effort is just as important as rewarding success it's a fine line to walk. I'm not even all tha upset about participation trophies I'm just saying with the team I coach I try to teach them as much in a loss as in a victory.


I've got some of the crazy parents that only see wins and losses but I've got more that the parents don't even show up. Out of a team of 18 kids I've got 7 parents that show up and of that 7 only 3 or 4 that the parents are both in the picture. For some of them this IS the only chance they have to learn life lessons that's just the reality of it.

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I get it encouraging effort is just as important as rewarding success it's a fine line to walk. I'm not even all tha upset about participation trophies I'm just saying with the team I coach I try to teach them as much in a loss as in a victory.


I've got some of the crazy parents that only see wins and losses but I've got more that the parents don't even show up. Out of a team of 18 kids I've got 7 parents that show up and of that 7 only 3 or 4 that the parents are both in the picture. For some of them this IS the only chance they have to learn life lessons that's just the reality of it.

 

I'm fine with encouraging effort, but I think that doing so at the expense of rewarding success is wrong. In most cases it was just expected of the kids who did well. There was nothing for them but the kids who decided to show up more often than they did the last year or season got a reward literally for just showing up more than they usually did. That's asinine to me.

 

I spent a lot of my early childhood in youth football leagues so I've seen the crazy parents and those who don't show up, and I get what you're saying.

 

EDIT 1: I'm just sharing my experiences because I'm among the youngest members of this board and have played in leagues like the ones being discussed. It's purely anecdotal but regarding topics like this, there isn't much more than that to go on.


EDIT 2: All that I'm saying is that in my personal experience, I was more annoyed by the fact that people who never applied themselves got rewarded for trying slightly harder than normal while those who did apply themselves got nothing than I was by universal trophies.

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I was apparently in a nudist football game with him. Isn't that bad enough? :blink:

Hardly!

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

I think that is a two way street. No one has advocated youth sports being the greatest teacher for kids out there when it comes to life lessons. Some have come close to practically villainizing it.

 

Villainizing? So why such strong opinions of participation trophies? I guess I don't get why it is such a big deal to you.

 

Why is it?

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Villainizing? So why such strong opinions of participation trophies? I guess I don't get why it is such a big deal to you.


Why is it?

Just a guess but probably because it's a big part of his daily life, he coaches HS and peewee leagues that's pretty much full time coaching.

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Beauty pageants are different and honestly they sicken me. Rewarding success is an important lesson society seems to ignore these days

 

I agree, beauty contest are horrible for all but the winner.

 

You really don't see the similarities? I get the whole structure of sports, and the positive reinforcement (I'm not blind), but you can't build someone up without tearing someone else down. There is always a reaction to every action. So some Mommy's want there child to get a participation trophy ... so what? ... How does that ruin the "Working Hard" motto? ... Well, your reaction to the action of giving a participation trophy is exactly what it is. A one sided view ... otherwise there would be no problem for giving participation trophies. They don't change anything.

 

Or do they? The resentment for them says they do.

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Just a guess but probably because it's a big part of his daily life, he coaches HS and peewee leagues that's pretty much full time coaching.

 

Oh, I know that. Me & TC59 go way back.

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Villainizing? So why such strong opinions of participation trophies? I guess I don't get why it is such a big deal to you.

 

Why is it?

It's the value and meaning that is lost. It's not necessarily the trophy itself, it's what goes into it to earn something. If everyone gets the same thing, that meaning is lost. Teachable moments, or lessons are lessened, some diminished when we treat everyone as equals.

 

What if we gave all A's to the boys and girls who showed up to school. A's to the kids who barely have to open a book, who are naturally gifted with the skills to be successful and not even having to study. A's to everyone who did all the work possible, came in after school for extra help, worked hard to get what they do. A's to the kid who comes in and generally struggles to get average level work but works their tails off, we can call it an Atta Boy or Girl A. A's for the kids who are extremely smart but don't apply themselves, just lazy, they don't want to do anything. A's for the kid who just shows up, then wants to drool on his desk all day because he stayed up to late playing video games. Let's pat them all on the back and tell them they are good kids, they are going to be successful just because you showed up. Everyone deserves this A because you're all special and work hard.

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